[FZH] #U zeitgeist 开发者发飙了，

[Yu Chen]

http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/06/my-take-on-zeitgeist-and-gaj-not-being...

<http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/06/my-take-on-zeitgeist-and-gaj-not-being...
有点气急败坏的样子。


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[Liang Suilong]

个人觉得他们提到这个是最为关键。

*Our high affiliation with Ubuntu and Canonical*

zeitgeist 看样子是被 GNOME 重写的东西代替了...

2010/6/12 Yu Chen <jcomee(a)gmail.com&gt;

> http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/06/my-take-on-zeitgeist-and-gaj-not-being...
>
>  <
>
> http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/06/my-take-on-zeitgeist-and-gaj-not-being...
>  >
>  有点气急败坏的样子。
>
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[Tommy He]

Michael 回话了，有的看了……

按他的说法被拒的是 GAJ，而由于 Zeitgeist 只被 GAJ 依赖，所以就没被接受。

另外他另一条回贴的说法更有意思：

Anyway, I think coding a peace of software and then trying to figure
out how it fits into GNOME is always a bad thing. The process should
be the other way around: identify a number of issues in GNOME, try to
improve the workflow by designing a better GUI, write the software to
solve the problem.

'always a bad thing '，看来对第三方 gnome 应用程序开发者很打击……

话说当年怎么就 brasero 成为组件了而不是 gnome-baker ？

2010/6/12 Liang Suilong <liangsuilong(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  个人觉得他们提到这个是最为关键。
>
>  *Our high affiliation with Ubuntu and Canonical*
>
>  zeitgeist 看样子是被 GNOME 重写的东西代替了...
>
>  2010/6/12 Yu Chen <jcomee(a)gmail.com&gt;
>
> >
> >
> http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/06/my-take-on-zeitgeist-and-gaj-not-being...
> >
> > <
> >
> http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/06/my-take-on-zeitgeist-and-gaj-not-being...
> > >
> > 有点气急败坏的样子。
> >
> >
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[Yu Chen]

应该不是这样的，他的意思是不是说你开发了个好程序就一定要进入gnome的核心。


在 2010年6月12日 下午4:57，Tommy He <tommy.he(a)linux.xn--com&gt;:-0s6m5392c

>  Michael 回话了，有的看了……
>
>  按他的说法被拒的是 GAJ，而由于 Zeitgeist 只被 GAJ 依赖，所以就没被接受。
>
>  另外他另一条回贴的说法更有意思：
>
>  Anyway, I think coding a peace of software and then trying to figure
>  out how it fits into GNOME is always a bad thing. The process should
>  be the other way around: identify a number of issues in GNOME, try to
>  improve the workflow by designing a better GUI, write the software to
>  solve the problem.
>
>  'always a bad thing '，看来对第三方 gnome 应用程序开发者很打击……
>
>  话说当年怎么就 brasero 成为组件了而不是 gnome-baker ？
>
>  2010/6/12 Liang Suilong <liangsuilong(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  > 个人觉得他们提到这个是最为关键。
>  >
>  > *Our high affiliation with Ubuntu and Canonical*
>  >
>  > zeitgeist 看样子是被 GNOME 重写的东西代替了...
>  >
>  > 2010/6/12 Yu Chen <jcomee(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  >
>  >>
>  >>
>
> http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/06/my-take-on-zeitgeist-and-gaj-not-being...
>  >>
>  >> <
>  >>
>
> http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/06/my-take-on-zeitgeist-and-gaj-not-being...
>  >> >
>  >> 有点气急败坏的样子。
>  >>
>  >>
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[甘露(Gan Lu)]

2010/6/12 Yu Chen <jcomee(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  应该不是这样的，他的意思是不是说你开发了个好程序就一定要进入gnome的核心。
>
>
>  在 2010年6月12日 下午4:57，Tommy He <tommy.he(a)linux.xn--com&gt;:-0s6m5392c
>
> > Michael 回话了，有的看了……
> >
> > 按他的说法被拒的是 GAJ，而由于 Zeitgeist 只被 GAJ 依赖，所以就没被接受。
> >
> > 另外他另一条回贴的说法更有意思：
> >
> > Anyway, I think coding a peace of software and then trying to figure
> > out how it fits into GNOME is always a bad thing. The process should
> > be the other way around: identify a number of issues in GNOME, try to
> > improve the workflow by designing a better GUI, write the software to
> > solve the problem.
这个说的很清楚，不应该是软件开发者去想如何和GNOME集成，而是GNOME想想如何打造一个更佳的GUI和流程去解决问题，从某种程度来说，也是不无道理的。不过在这封信中，倒是含有少许发泄的成分在里面。
> >
> > 'always a bad thing '，看来对第三方 gnome 应用程序开发者很打击……
> >
> > 话说当年怎么就 brasero 成为组件了而不是 gnome-baker ？
> >
> > 2010/6/12 Liang Suilong <liangsuilong(a)gmail.com&gt;:
> > > 个人觉得他们提到这个是最为关键。
> > >
> > > *Our high affiliation with Ubuntu and Canonical*
> > >
> > > zeitgeist 看样子是被 GNOME 重写的东西代替了...
> > >
> > > 2010/6/12 Yu Chen <jcomee(a)gmail.com&gt;
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/06/my-take-on-zeitgeist-and-gaj-not-being...
> > >>
> > >> <
> > >>
> >
> http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/06/my-take-on-zeitgeist-and-gaj-not-being...
> > >> >
> > >> 有点气急败坏的样子。
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Yu
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> > >>
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> > >
> > >
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> > > My Page: http://www.liangsuilong.info
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> >
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[guanminglin]

呵呵，还是KDE好阿！

在 2010年6月12日 下午6:28，甘露(Gan Lu) <rhythm.gan(a)gmail.xn--com&gt;:-0s6m5392c

>  2010/6/12 Yu Chen <jcomee(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  > 应该不是这样的，他的意思是不是说你开发了个好程序就一定要进入gnome的核心。
>  >
>  >
>  > 在 2010年6月12日 下午4:57，Tommy He <tommy.he(a)linux.xn--com&gt;:-0s6m5392c
>  >
>  >> Michael 回话了，有的看了……
>  >>
>  >> 按他的说法被拒的是 GAJ，而由于 Zeitgeist 只被 GAJ 依赖，所以就没被接受。
>  >>
>  >> 另外他另一条回贴的说法更有意思：
>  >>
>  >> Anyway, I think coding a peace of software and then trying to figure
>  >> out how it fits into GNOME is always a bad thing. The process should
>  >> be the other way around: identify a number of issues in GNOME, try to
>  >> improve the workflow by designing a better GUI, write the software to
>  >> solve the problem.
>
>
> 这个说的很清楚，不应该是软件开发者去想如何和GNOME集成，而是GNOME想想如何打造一个更佳的GUI和流程去解决问题，从某种程度来说，也是不无道理的。不过在这封信中，倒是含有少许发泄的成分在里面。
>  >>
>  >> 'always a bad thing '，看来对第三方 gnome 应用程序开发者很打击……
>  >>
>  >> 话说当年怎么就 brasero 成为组件了而不是 gnome-baker ？
>  >>
>  >> 2010/6/12 Liang Suilong <liangsuilong(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  >> > 个人觉得他们提到这个是最为关键。
>  >> >
>  >> > *Our high affiliation with Ubuntu and Canonical*
>  >> >
>  >> > zeitgeist 看样子是被 GNOME 重写的东西代替了...
>  >> >
>  >> > 2010/6/12 Yu Chen <jcomee(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  >> >
>  >> >>
>  >> >>
>  >>
>
> http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/06/my-take-on-zeitgeist-and-gaj-not-being...
>  >> >>
>  >> >> <
>  >> >>
>  >>
>
> http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/06/my-take-on-zeitgeist-and-gaj-not-being...
>  >> >> >
>  >> >> 有点气急败坏的样子。
>  >> >>
>  >> >>
>  >> >> --
>  >> >> Yu
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>  >> >
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>  >> > My Page: http://www.liangsuilong.info
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[Tommy He]

2010/6/12 甘露(Gan Lu) <rhythm.gan(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  2010/6/12 Yu Chen <jcomee(a)gmail.com&gt;:
> > 应该不是这样的，他的意思是不是说你开发了个好程序就一定要进入gnome的核心。
> >
> >
> > 在 2010年6月12日 下午4:57，Tommy He <tommy.he(a)linux.xn--com&gt;:-0s6m5392c
> >
> >> Michael 回话了，有的看了……
> >>
> >> 按他的说法被拒的是 GAJ，而由于 Zeitgeist 只被 GAJ 依赖，所以就没被接受。
> >>
> >> 另外他另一条回贴的说法更有意思：
> >>
> >> Anyway, I think coding a peace of software and then trying to figure
> >> out how it fits into GNOME is always a bad thing. The process should
> >> be the other way around: identify a number of issues in GNOME, try to
> >> improve the workflow by designing a better GUI, write the software to
> >> solve the problem.
>
> 这个说的很清楚，不应该是软件开发者去想如何和GNOME集成，而是GNOME想想如何打造一个更佳的GUI和流程去解决问题，从某种程度来说，也是不无道理的。不过在这封信中，倒是含有少许发泄的成分在里面。
如果所有 GNOME 的软件开发都是由一个紧密沟通的组织完成的，那么 Michael
的说法无可厚非。问题是做为开源项目，总会有一些处于组织外围的成员，很难要求这些开发者在对 GNOME
整体分析后再去设计程序，他们往往为了解决自身的需要或者为了实践一个概念而去做的。

很自然的，这些开发者当然希望自己的努力能融入到 GNOME 大家庭里。此时作为整个开源项目的管理人员，如此生冷的就否定掉了实在是打击开发者积极性。

或许 Michael 能在会议中明确说明 GAJ 和 Zeitgeist 为何没有解决 “GNOME
需要解决的问题”，会让开发者和用户（包括我在内）更好理解一些。

个人感觉将 Zeitgeist 融合到 gnome-shell 的 recent items 里，将 GAJ 融合到 Nautilus
里，都是很不错的改进的方向，现阶段就这么拒绝了，实在是……

> >>
> >> 'always a bad thing '，看来对第三方 gnome 应用程序开发者很打击……
> >>
> >> 话说当年怎么就 brasero 成为组件了而不是 gnome-baker ？
> >>
> >> 2010/6/12 Liang Suilong <liangsuilong(a)gmail.com&gt;:
> >> > 个人觉得他们提到这个是最为关键。
> >> >
> >> > *Our high affiliation with Ubuntu and Canonical*
> >> >
> >> > zeitgeist 看样子是被 GNOME 重写的东西代替了...
> >> >
> >> > 2010/6/12 Yu Chen <jcomee(a)gmail.com&gt;
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/06/my-take-on-zeitgeist-and-gaj-not-being...
> >> >>
> >> >> <
> >> >>
> >>
> http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/06/my-take-on-zeitgeist-and-gaj-not-being...
> >> >> >
> >> >> 有点气急败坏的样子。
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Yu
> >> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> > My Page: http://www.liangsuilong.info
> >> > Fedora Project Contributor -- Packager && Ambassador
> >> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Liangsuilong
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> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
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