[fedora-electronic-lab] What if I want to maintain ALL my packages on EPEL as from now on ?

[Chitlesh GOORAH]

Hello there,

It's been a while since I'm considering my commitment towards the FEL,
since Fedora (this distribution) 's 6months development cycle is
becoming a headache for me release after release.

I simply don't have time to fix issues related with compiler updates.
As a hardware engineer, this is not how I wish to spend my leisure
time. More than 90% of my FEL development time was about compiler
fixes than something related to its features. My current Fedora
packages are mostly for the microelectronics engineering, which
requires
* a stable and long term support platform for the user
* and less distraction for me (less software update compatibility
nuisance) so that I have time to improve theses opensource EDA
software by actually porting Semiconductor Physics to software.

So here I am in front of the EPEL community, can I _only_ maintain my
> 50 mature packages for EPEL only (and no support for Fedora anymore)
* which was developed more than 5 years ago and being currently used
in the industry
* which require few minor updates per year
* which some of them are already within the EPEL repositories
* which are in the fedora repositories for more than 3 years (for more
than 5 fedora releases) and being used by many small companies and
universities around the world.

------------ FROM http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL/FAQ#Contributing_to_EPEL
Is it possible to get a package only into EPEL and not Fedora?
Simply go through the review process for Fedora and specify only EL
targets for the initial import. But note that maintaining packages in
Fedora has many advantages for you, you should consider maintaining
the package in both Fedora and EPEL.
------------------------------

However since I simply don't have the time to spend on politics and a
tight release cycle, my only options so that I can still improve the
existing EDA tools myself (as upstream) would be:
1* provide EPEL support only and no support on Fedora or
2* stop maintaining all my fedora packages and wait till someone cares
to take over

Can a packager like me opt only option 1 ?

If option 1 is possible for me, then if by the end of August noone
wants to maintain my packages for fedora 12 and onwards, I would mark
them all as dead packages and concentrate only for their respective
EPEL branches.

Cheers,
Chitlesh Goorah

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi Chitlesh,

--- On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Chitlesh GOORAH
<chitlesh.goorah(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
| However since I simply don't have the time to spend on politics and a
| tight release cycle, my only options so that I can still improve the
| existing EDA tools myself (as upstream) would be:
| 1* provide EPEL support only and no support on Fedora or
| 2* stop maintaining all my fedora packages and wait till someone cares
| to take over
|
| Can a packager like me opt only option 1 ?
\--

Can I help in anyway by co-maintaining some Fedora packages, so it can
reduce your work-load a bit. While you can concentrate on the EPEL
releases, I can assist in co-maintaining the Fedora packages?

Please let me know,

SK

-- 
Shakthi Kannan
http://www.shakthimaan.com

[Chitlesh GOORAH]

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 5:34 AM, Shakthi Kannan <> wrote:
>  Hi Chitlesh,
>
>  Can I help in anyway by co-maintaining some Fedora packages, so it can
>  reduce your work-load a bit. While you can concentrate on the EPEL
>  releases, I can assist in co-maintaining the Fedora packages?
>
>  Please let me know, 
Wonderful.
When I build for EPEL, I'll also build for rawhide directly. Then you can
* troubleshoot if there are any issues in the build
* port the rawhide build to the existing supporting fedora branches

is that ok for you ? I believe it would be fair, don't you think ?
Hence, if for some reason I break something in rawhide, I would not
break your stable fedora branches.

I would maintain EL-5, EL-6 and rawhide.
You would maintain Fedora_Latest, Fedora_Latest-1 and rawhide.

Also Shakthi, what if we rename "Fedora Electronic Lab" into "Free
Electronic Lab" thus keeping the "FEL" abbreviation ?

Chitlesh

[Shakthi Kannan]

Chitlesh:

--- On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Chitlesh GOORAH
<chitlesh.goorah(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
| When I build for EPEL, I'll also build for rawhide directly. Then you can
| * troubleshoot if there are any issues in the build
| * port the rawhide build to the existing supporting fedora branches
|
| is that ok for you ? I believe it would be fair, don't you think ?
\--

Fair enough. We can work that out.

---
| Also Shakthi, what if we rename "Fedora Electronic Lab" into "Free
| Electronic Lab" thus keeping the "FEL" abbreviation ?
\--

I don't have any objections, but, good to check with the concerned in
the project as well.

Thanks,

SK

-- 
Shakthi Kannan
http://www.shakthimaan.com

[Alain PORTAL]

Le vendredi 18 juin 2010 23:54:46, Chitlesh GOORAH a écrit :
>  Hello there,
>  
>  It's been a while since I'm considering my commitment towards the FEL,
>  since Fedora (this distribution) 's 6months development cycle is
>  becoming a headache for me release after release. 
Fully agree with what you think.
And as soon as RHEL-6 (CentOS of course) will be released, I won't make effort 
to maintain the packages I own in Fedora.
I'm tired to be a distribution guinea pig, and as many people, I need a 
distribution I can work with, for a long time without bad surprise.

Regards,
Alain

[Aanjhan R]

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Chitlesh GOORAH
<chitlesh.goorah(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Also Shakthi, what if we rename "Fedora Electronic Lab"
> into "Free
>  Electronic Lab" thus keeping the "FEL" abbreviation ? 
Although I am no longer active in FEL development, I thought I will
still poke my nose into this thread.

Chitlesh, I fully agree with the change.

With Best Regards,
Aanjhan

[Chitlesh GOORAH]

On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Alain Portal wrote:
>  Fully agree with what you think.
>  And as soon as RHEL-6 (CentOS of course) will be released, I won't make effort
>  to maintain the packages I own in Fedora.
>  I'm tired to be a distribution guinea pig, and as many people, I need a
>  distribution I can work with, for a long time without bad surprise. 

Good then,

Just so that we have an overview, you'll be maintaining the following
packages right :
* kicad
* piklab & pikdev
?
Anything else related to Free Electronic Lab ?

Chitlesh

[Chitlesh GOORAH]

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Shakthi Kannan <> wrote:
>  Chitlesh:
>
>  --- On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Chitlesh GOORAH
>  <chitlesh.goorah(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  | When I build for EPEL, I'll also build for rawhide directly. Then you can
>  | * troubleshoot if there are any issues in the build
>  | * port the rawhide build to the existing supporting fedora branches
>  |
>  | is that ok for you ? I believe it would be fair, don't you think ?
>  \--
>
>  Fair enough. We can work that out. 
> From now on I'll post emails similar to my latest one to notify
> that a 
package has been built, but you will have to push it to Fedora
repositories.

Cheers,
Chitlesh

[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi Chitlesh:

--- On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Chitlesh GOORAH
<chitlesh(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
| From now on I'll post emails similar to my latest one to notify that a
| package has been built, but you will have to push it to Fedora
| repositories.
\--

Do I need to be added to the package as co-maintainer to get cvs
access, or what is the procedure?

Thanks for the notification messages.

SK

-- 
Shakthi Kannan
http://www.shakthimaan.com

[Chitlesh GOORAH]

On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Shakthi Kannan wrote:
>  Do I need to be added to the package as co-maintainer to get cvs
>  access, or what is the procedure?
>
>  Thanks for the notification messages.
>  

If you don't have access yet, request them on
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/PACKAGE

[Alain PORTAL]

Le dimanche 27 juin 2010 11:25:21, Chitlesh GOORAH a écrit :
>  On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Alain Portal wrote:
>  > Fully agree with what you think.
>  > And as soon as RHEL-6 (CentOS of course) will be released, I won't make
>  > effort to maintain the packages I own in Fedora.
>  > I'm tired to be a distribution guinea pig, and as many people, I need a
>  > distribution I can work with, for a long time without bad surprise.
>  
>  Good then,
>  
>  Just so that we have an overview, you'll be maintaining the following
>  packages right :
>  * kicad
>  * piklab & pikdev
>  ?
>  Anything else related to Free Electronic Lab ? 
No, I just comaintain pikloops with you.

Regards,
Alain