LATAM weekly meeting minutes

[Athos Ribeiro]

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#fedora-meeting-2: Fedora Ambassadors Latam meeting 2017-10-27
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Meeting started by athos at 14:00:57 UTC. The full logs are available at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2017-10-27/fedora-lata...
.



Meeting summary
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* Roll Call  (athos, 14:01:17)

* Sessions to improve Ambassadors skills  (athos, 14:03:27)
  * LINK: https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/423   (athos,
    14:03:36)

* Open Floor  (athos, 14:07:45)
  * ACTION: bt0 and douglax will query about events pages in facebook
    and fedoraproject.org  (athos, 14:29:58)

Meeting ended at 14:31:45 UTC.




Action Items
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* bt0 and douglax will query about events pages in facebook and
  fedoraproject.org




Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* bt0
  * bt0 and douglax will query about events pages in facebook and
    fedoraproject.org
* douglax
  * bt0 and douglax will query about events pages in facebook and
    fedoraproject.org
* **UNASSIGNED**
  * (none)




People Present (lines said)
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* athos (54)
* williamjmorenor (24)
* douglax (19)
* wmoreno (11)
* chinosoliard (11)
* zodbot (9)
* bt0 (7)
* itamarjp (6)
* douglax_mobile (2)
* yosef7 (1)
* JuanCarlosLin (1)




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Athos Ribeiro

http://www.ime.usp.br/~athoscr

[William Moreno]

2017-10-27 8:32 GMT-06:00 Athos Ribeiro <athoscribeiro(a)gmail.com&gt;:

>  ==============================================================
>  #fedora-meeting-2: Fedora Ambassadors Latam meeting 2017-10-27
>  ==============================================================
>
>
>  Meeting started by athos at 14:00:57 UTC. The full logs are available at
>  https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2017-10-
>  27/fedora-latam.2017-10-27-14.00.log.html
>  .
>
>
>  
Hello, I was attending the meeting in my cellphone and I lost signal in the
midle of the meeting, so I want to finish a idea here, we want to see more
relases parties for the F27 cicle, we do not need a big budget for RP in
latam, RP are really inexpensive events, but some years ago it was a
practice in the Fedora Project to award to the event owner of the best
release party in any region with a dinner (not for all the people in thi
country, only the event owners), I brought up the issue because it is
important to recognize in some way the work of the organizers of these
events, years ago was done that way, you could consult commops if they
agree to find some way to encourage the organizers of RP.

Regards

[Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado]

Hi, sorry for not attend to meetings, Currently, I have a job meeting at
the same hour, so it's impossible to me attend in these months
El vie., 27 de oct. de 2017 a la(s) 09:32, Athos Ribeiro <
athoscribeiro(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:

>  ==============================================================
>  #fedora-meeting-2: Fedora Ambassadors Latam meeting 2017-10-27
>  ==============================================================
>
>
>  Meeting started by athos at 14:00:57 UTC. The full logs are available at
>
>
> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2017-10-27/fedora-lata...
>  .
>
>
>
>  Meeting summary
>  ---------------
>  * Roll Call  (athos, 14:01:17)
>
>  * Sessions to improve Ambassadors skills  (athos, 14:03:27)
>    * LINK: https://pagure.io/ambassadors-latam/tasks/issue/423   (athos,
>      14:03:36)
>
>  * Open Floor  (athos, 14:07:45)
>    * ACTION: bt0 and douglax will query about events pages in facebook
>      and fedoraproject.org  (athos, 14:29:58)
>
>  Meeting ended at 14:31:45 UTC.
>
>
>
>
>  Action Items
>  ------------
>  * bt0 and douglax will query about events pages in facebook and
>    fedoraproject.org
>
>
>
>
>  Action Items, by person
>  -----------------------
>  * bt0
>    * bt0 and douglax will query about events pages in facebook and
>      fedoraproject.org
>  * douglax
>    * bt0 and douglax will query about events pages in facebook and
>      fedoraproject.org
>  * **UNASSIGNED**
>    * (none)
>
>
>
>
>  People Present (lines said)
>  ---------------------------
>  * athos (54)
>  * williamjmorenor (24)
>  * douglax (19)
>  * wmoreno (11)
>  * chinosoliard (11)
>  * zodbot (9)
>  * bt0 (7)
>  * itamarjp (6)
>  * douglax_mobile (2)
>  * yosef7 (1)
>  * JuanCarlosLin (1)
>
>
>
>
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>  Athos Ribeiro
>
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[Athos Ribeiro]

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 08:53:47AM -0600, William Moreno wrote:
>  >
>  Hello, I was attending the meeting in my cellphone and I lost signal in the
>  midle of the meeting, so I want to finish a idea here, we want to see more
>  relases parties for the F27 cicle, we do not need a big budget for RP in
>  latam, RP are really inexpensive events, but some years ago it was a
>  practice in the Fedora Project to award to the event owner of the best
>  release party in any region with a dinner (not for all the people in thi
>  country, only the event owners), I brought up the issue because it is
>  important to recognize in some way the work of the organizers of these
>  events, years ago was done that way, you could consult commops if they
>  agree to find some way to encourage the organizers of RP. 
I quote my comments on this during the meeting:

<quote>
I would be -1 for that. Fedora is not a company where we compensate
people with prizes like dinners for their effort, that's not how free
software communities work (and that would be expensive).

Of course we could recognize effort and hard work in other ways: last
year I received a hand written letter from gitlab for contributing to
the project in the early days. It made me smile, to receive that
handwritten letter from overseas.

Maybe we could do that Fedora wide and not just for latam.
</quote>

We first want to answer the question: what messages do we want to pass
to contributors? Although rewarding them whewnever possible is an
excellent idea, letting them know they will be rewarded upfront should
be well thought before implementing. I wouldn't like to see people doing
this or that so they will get {{PRIZE}} in the end of the year, this
could foster competition and bad behavior instead of collaboration.

-- 
Athos Ribeiro

http://www.ime.usp.br/~athoscr

[Eduard Lucena]

Hi team,

This kind of prices shoud come from Council or RedHat even, by their will,
not as an objective. If we set it as an objective, we will sent the message
that this is like a paid work.

I think we can reward in other ways, like with badges, we can test the
hapinness packages [1].

Br,
[1] https://happinesspackets.io/
-- 
Eduard Lucena
Móvil: [phone]
GNU/Linux User #589060
Ubuntu User #8749
Fedora Ambassador Latam

[Brian Exelbierd]

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017, at 05:14 PM, Athos Ribeiro wrote:
>  On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 08:53:47AM -0600, William Moreno wrote:
>  > >
>  > Hello, I was attending the meeting in my cellphone and I lost signal in the
>  > midle of the meeting, so I want to finish a idea here, we want to see more
>  > relases parties for the F27 cicle, we do not need a big budget for RP in
>  > latam, RP are really inexpensive events, but some years ago it was a
>  > practice in the Fedora Project to award to the event owner of the best
>  > release party in any region with a dinner (not for all the people in thi
>  > country, only the event owners), I brought up the issue because it is
>  > important to recognize in some way the work of the organizers of these
>  > events, years ago was done that way, you could consult commops if they
>  > agree to find some way to encourage the organizers of RP.
>  
>  I quote my comments on this during the meeting:
>  
>  <quote>
>  I would be -1 for that. Fedora is not a company where we compensate
>  people with prizes like dinners for their effort, that's not how free
>  software communities work (and that would be expensive). 
I understand the feeling here, but I am not sure I fully agree.  I
believe that many people make selfless contributions to open source and
we should definitely encourage that.   However, I don't feel like it is
a bad thing to recognize and reward contribution.

I am not sure that I fully agree with a dinner in this situation,
however it is an awesome idea.  I used to work for Data General.  When
you went way above and beyond, typically involving lots of late nights,
they might award you with what they called a "Night on the Town."  The
idea was that it was a small amount of money for you to take your family
to dinner.  They recognized that your family is who suffered while you
were doing the late nights.

Many Fedora contributors are giving up their nights/weekends and family
time to work on the project.  I don't think rewarding and recognizing
that is bad.   I have come to realize that food has a special meaning in
the Fedora project so perhaps dinner isn't the right choice.  However,
we could easily recognize Release Party holders (ambassadors or not) who
follow the process, including an event report, with a t-shirt or
something like.  We recently did shirts for the last Fedora translation
sprint.  It was a special shirt you could only get through participation
in that.  How about once a year we send a shirt to all of the release
party holders?

>  Of course we could recognize effort and hard work in other ways:
> last
>  year I received a hand written letter from gitlab for contributing to
>  the project in the early days. It made me smile, to receive that
>  handwritten letter from overseas. 
I agree 100% with this and I am not seeing Fedora do it enough.  It has
come up multiple times, including recently with the translation sprint.

Who should write this letter?  Does it mean more coming from someone
like the FPL or FCAIC (even though they may not have even read the event
report - especially if it is in Spanish :D) or would it make more sense
to come from the LATAM Ambassadors?  How can we make this happen?

>  
>  Maybe we could do that Fedora wide and not just for latam. 
Massive +1

>  </quote>
>  
>  We first want to answer the question: what messages do we want to pass
>  to contributors? Although rewarding them whewnever possible is an
>  excellent idea, letting them know they will be rewarded upfront should
>  be well thought before implementing. I wouldn't like to see people doing
>  this or that so they will get {{PRIZE}} in the end of the year, this
>  could foster competition and bad behavior instead of collaboration. 
There is some truth to this.  People will "game" any system you create. 
However, there is another way to look at this.  If you say, everyone who
contributes gets a prize, you still got the contribution.  In other
words, define the contribution (and don't be a rules lawyer) and you'll
get what you want.  It is not our place to judge the motives of the
contributor.  They may be selfless, motivated by some personal goal, or
even just like getting free t-shirts.  As long as we get a contribution
we can use, I am 100% in favor of the reward.

regards,

bex

> 
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> Athos Ribeiro
> 
> http://www.ime.usp.br/~athoscr
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