2018-04-09 12:22 GMT-06:00 Eduard Lucena <eduardlucena(a)gmail.com>:
Hello,
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> So I want to propoce a single shipping of swag for Nicaragua, since those
> are the quantities we request since the begining,
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Going back to my example, this thing is just a ticket very well justified.
So I still don't understand why the whole thread if you have the planning
and can make it in only one valid ticket? Just do a ticket and put this
planning!
I think we should be ready to get the swag shipped.
My fear is that the swag will not arrive on time for Flisol, I and trust me
that I am not really happy with a 8 months procces to get some good quality
swag for 2018 that have not been the most funny procces, and the option of
print sticker with a local provider to supply Flisol will be a real and
unnecessary waste or resources.
The experience in Latam in the last years (five or six years ago) is that
shipping is a big cost, logistic do not work the way we like and we should
request the shippment of something two months before the event to get then
on time, and now we do not have fudcon to put of the swag in a single place
and make it available for ambassadors.
Some maybe I am not putting atention but I did undertand that based on this
table:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Swag_latam/2018
The swag should be shipped where ready withot the need of aditional
tickets, there was not that request at that moment.
And this is the first time I see in the Fedora Project that we do not trust
in ours ambassadors to get then some swap and trust that they will use it
properly, this is a real new big issue, and I do not like it.
P.D.: I'm not underestimating anything, but if you don't put clear that
you have a valid reason (like your sheet with the planning) it's impossible
for us to know why are you requesting these amounts.
Because we have a real comunication problem, I did never hear that we must
needd to justificte the amounts of swag we were asking, if so I would have
put the info in the wiki a lot of months ago, I did not see any
communication about that, I always see in meeting log that people will send
a mail to the Ambassadors Mailing list but I do not see the mails and this
do not help a lot with communication.
I am not really sure if the problem is me but this swag production have
been a real pain and a rather cumbersome process, if you ask me to justify
the swag request, I will do it, if you ask me to open a tickt asking for
all the was for the year I will do it, if you ask to make a schedule of
event I will do it, if you ask to send a mail asking to get the swag
shipped becasue we were ready to start promoting Fedora with it, I will do
it, but I can not do something that I am not aware about, and a mail to the
mailing list is something that can help a lot.
I do undestand that there is a new generation of contributors in the Fedora
project and things will change but currently I saw there was a procces that
was stuck and without moving and I saw a way to help to all latam, this was
a project with a few fedback, totally thankless and with many critics and
we are in the last step to get the process done and we are stuck again,
this way Latam is becoming a hard place to help and I will just wait to get
this theme of the swap fixed and will move to others project where help is
wanted, just will keep around in the Fedora Project to keep the packages I
care.
I only hope to not have a Flisol with out Fedora swap.
Regards