Fwd: [Ambassadors] Re: Let's equip our Communities in EMEA

[Athos Ribeiro]

Hello LATAM,

As we discussed during the last meeting, we only used 1/3 of our budget
so far.

As it was proposed before FUDCon, it would be REALLY nice to produce a
massive ammount of SWAG in onle place and have it shipped ti all the
other regions. If that is too expensive, we could do the production in
each country and get it redistributed locally.

The idea is great! There are two problems:

1 - Some ppl said that it would not be nice spending the budget just
because in massive SWAG just because we did not spend it so far.
My opinion:
I strongly disagree here, and am forwarding this message from another
region to show you there's nothing wromg with that. I mean, we need
SWAG, so let's make sure ambassadors have SWAG, right?

2 - Someone said in the past that we could not pay in advance, and since
this would be too expensive, it would be nice to have the card holder
directly paying for it, what I heard it's not possible.
My opinion:
We could use online companies in each country and get Neville to process
all the payments and have it shipped to a local ambassador who would
later distribute it among other ambassadors in the country (mail,
events, etc). What is the problem here? I see nothing wrong. We do have
a CC limit, so we should start doing it ASAP, if we want to do that for
this FY. But it would be something really nice to do in the end of each
FY provided we have remaining budget.

Any thoughts? I would love to hear Neville's input here as well.

Thanks guys :)

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Hi there,

As we mentioned this topic in our last EMEA meeting, I was wondering if
we can make some progress with it. I know there maybe an issue with
budget wise, but maybe we can handle this for the next fiscal year?

Kindly,
Ardian.


On Sat, Jan 16, 2016, at 01:32 AM, Giannis Konstantinidis wrote:
>  Hello everyone,
>  thank you for participating. Albania, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Kosovo,
>  Poland and Serbia is on that list.
>  However these countries represent only a specific portion of the EMEA
>  region. We wish to support as many active Fedora communities as
>  possible. If yours is missing, please fill in the wiki page below
>  until this Tuesday (19/Jan).
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EMEA/Community_Equipment
>  Where will all these be produced? Well, I'm willing to get quotes from
>  Greek vendors, pick the best option, produce and ship everything from
>  there. Unless another person steps up and co-ordinates the whole
>  production in their country instead.
>  Your feedback and ideas are certainly welcome.
>  -Giannis
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[Neville A. Cross]

On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 23:00 -0200, Athos Ribeiro wrote:
>  Hello LATAM,
>  
>  As we discussed during the last meeting, we only used 1/3 of our
>  budget
>  so far.
>  
>  As it was proposed before FUDCon, it would be REALLY nice to produce
>  a
>  massive ammount of SWAG in onle place and have it shipped ti all the
>  other regions. If that is too expensive, we could do the production
>  in
>  each country and get it redistributed locally.
>  
>  The idea is great! There are two problems:
>  
>  1 - Some ppl said that it would not be nice spending the budget just
>  because in massive SWAG just because we did not spend it so far.
>  My opinion:
>  I strongly disagree here, and am forwarding this message from another
>  region to show you there's nothing wromg with that. I mean, we need
>  SWAG, so let's make sure ambassadors have SWAG, right?
>  
>  2 - Someone said in the past that we could not pay in advance, and
>  since
>  this would be too expensive, it would be nice to have the card holder
>  directly paying for it, what I heard it's not possible.
>  My opinion:
>  We could use online companies in each country and get Neville to
>  process
>  all the payments and have it shipped to a local ambassador who would
>  later distribute it among other ambassadors in the country (mail,
>  events, etc). What is the problem here? I see nothing wrong. We do
>  have
>  a CC limit, so we should start doing it ASAP, if we want to do that
>  for
>  this FY. But it would be something really nice to do in the end of
>  each
>  FY provided we have remaining budget.
>  
>  Any thoughts? I would love to hear Neville's input here as well.
>  
>  Thanks guys :)
>   
Thre are other two things that are needed:

Firts, this require some one to be willing to get the burden of taking
all the swag and then makes packages for each ambassador. This person
have to have a paypal account to be reimbursed for all the shipment
expenses. 

Second, also it is required that in the other side a person has the
ability to deal with customs and if they are charged with taxes, they
can pay and have a paypal account to be reimbursed. 

For instance if somebody send a box with a lot of stickers to me, it
will be retained in customs and I will have to pay taxes for completing
the import.

Having said that, when you add shipping and taxes, plus the complexity
of dealing with customs. We may not have an advantage of centralized
production. Import duties are set to protect local industry and one of
the industries protected in several countries are printing companies.
Taxes and shipping have been the reasons why this has been proposed
several times and it has not being implemented so far. 

Not sure if we can separate some areas, where some commercial agreement
may help out. I can send stuff with ease to Guatemala, Honduras and El
Salvador, but not to Costa Rica or Panama. Not sure what countries are
under which treaty and may help. But for sure is not about making one
big production for all LATAM.

Look for which countries you can send stuff that will be under free
trade agreement. If you can produce for 3 or 4 countries, I think is
worth making an investment. 

We can produce swag for each country individually that has somebody
with paypal to be reimbursed for the production for his or her country.
It may be not ideal, but we do not live in a perfect world.

From EMEA email, I like the idea of table clothes.

Best regards

Neville

Let's equip our Communities in EMEA

[Athos Ribeiro]

Renaming the thred, name was weird :(

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:08:42AM -0600, Neville A. Cross wrote:
>  Look for which countries you can send stuff that will be under free
>  trade agreement. If you can produce for 3 or 4 countries, I think is
>  worth making an investment.  
I like this idea.
>  
>  We can produce swag for each country individually that has somebody
>  with paypal to be reimbursed for the production for his or her country.
>  It may be not ideal, but we do not live in a perfect world. 
This is nice too, but if it's for the whole country, would you be
willing to cover for that? I mean, if we go with internet companies, you
could process the payment, right?
>  
>  From EMEA email, I like the idea of table clothes. 
Yes! :)

>  
>  Best regards
>  
>  Neville 
Thanks for the input, Neville

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Athos Ribeiro

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Let's equip our Communities in EMEA

[Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado]

This is a recurrent issue in our countries, I agree with Neville with the
idea of produce swag in our own countries, there are not more alternatives
in this moment.

El jue., 10 de nov. de 2016 a la(s) 14:05, Athos Ribeiro <
athoscribeiro(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:

>  Renaming the thred, name was weird :(
>
>  On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:08:42AM -0600, Neville A. Cross wrote:
>  > Look for which countries you can send stuff that will be under free
>  > trade agreement. If you can produce for 3 or 4 countries, I think is
>  > worth making an investment.
>
>  I like this idea.
>  >
>  > We can produce swag for each country individually that has somebody
>  > with paypal to be reimbursed for the production for his or her country.
>  > It may be not ideal, but we do not live in a perfect world.
>
>  This is nice too, but if it's for the whole country, would you be
>  willing to cover for that? I mean, if we go with internet companies, you
>  could process the payment, right?
>  >
>  > From EMEA email, I like the idea of table clothes.
>
>  Yes! :)
>
>  >
>  > Best regards
>  >
>  > Neville
>
>  Thanks for the input, Neville
>
>  --
>  Athos Ribeiro
>
>  http://www.ime.usp.br/~athoscr
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Let's equip our Communities in EMEA

[William Moreno]

El 10/11/2016 4:39 p. m., "Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado" <
echevemaster(a)gmail.com&gt; escribió:
>  This is a recurrent issue in our countries, I agree with Neville with the 
idea of
produce swag in our own countries, there are not more alternatives
in this moment.

+1

Let's equip our Communities in EMEA

[alejandro perez]

Neville is the most experience person on latam dealing with this issues, my self also has
try before and found the same issues.




-----Mensaje original-----
De: Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado
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Asunto: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: Let's equip our Communities in EMEA
Fecha: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 22:38:56 +0000

This is a recurrent issue in our countries, I agree with Neville with the idea of produce
swag in our own countries, there are not more alternatives in this moment.

El jue., 10 de nov. de 2016 a la(s) 14:05, Athos Ribeiro
<[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> escribió:
Renaming the thred, name was weird :(

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:08:42AM -0600, Neville A. Cross wrote:
>  Look for which countries you can send stuff that will be under free
>  trade agreement. If you can produce for 3 or 4 countries, I think is
>  worth making an investment.
>  
I like this idea.
>  We can produce swag for each country individually that has somebody
>  with paypal to be reimbursed for the production for his or her country.
>  It may be not ideal, but we do not live in a perfect world.
>  
This is nice too, but if it's for the whole country, would you be
willing to cover for that? I mean, if we go with internet companies, you
could process the payment, right?
>  From EMEA email, I like the idea of table clothes.
>  
Yes! :)

>  Best regards
>
>  Neville
>  
Thanks for the input, Neville

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[Neville A. Cross]

On Thu, 2016-11-10 at 17:05 -0200, Athos Ribeiro wrote:
>  >  

> Renaming the thred, name was weird :(
> 
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:08:42AM -0600, Neville A. Cross wrote:
>  >  
> > Look for which countries you can send stuff
that will be under free
> > trade agreement. If you can produce for 3 or 4 countries, I think
> > is
> > worth making an investment. 
> I like this idea.
>  >  
>  >  
> > We can produce swag
for each country individually that has somebody
> > with paypal to be reimbursed for the production for his or her
> > country.
> > It may be not ideal, but we do not live in a perfect world.
> This is nice too, but if it's for the whole country, would you be
> willing to cover for that? I mean, if we go with internet companies,
> you
> could process the payment, right?
>  >  
If some one get a hold of a supplier that accept online payment I can
pay directly to the supplier. No matter if it is for one country or it
is for several countries, or even if it is for a city.

I think we should put together a wiki with who is gonna order swag,
which countries will cover, describe the materials, put the cost and
how will be paid. So we can move forward.


> > From EMEA email, I like the idea of table clothes.
> Yes! :)
> 
>  >  
>  >  
> > Best regards
>  >  
> > Neville
> Thanks for the input, Neville
>

Let's equip our Communities in EMEA

[Abdel Gadiel Martínez Lassonde]

This effort is useless if there are no contributors willing to pay for his/her country
swag or, event worse, willing to pay for several country swags, for then waiting for the
reimbursement.

The idea of having a supplier to pay directly is wonderful and feasible. We in Panama
actually have did that before with no problems at all.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 12, 2016, at 10:30 AM, Neville A. Cross <yn1v(a)taygon.com&gt; wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 2016-11-10 at 17:05 -0200, Athos Ribeiro wrote:
>>> 
> 
> 
>> Renaming the thred, name was weird :(
>> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:08:42AM -0600, Neville A. Cross wrote:
>>> 
>>> Look for which countries you can send stuff that will be under free
>>> trade agreement. If you can produce for 3 or 4 countries, I think
>>> is
>>> worth making an investment. 
>> I like this idea.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> We can produce swag for each country individually that has somebody
>>> with paypal to be reimbursed for the production for his or her
>>> country.
>>> It may be not ideal, but we do not live in a perfect world.
>> This is nice too, but if it's for the whole country, would you be
>> willing to cover for that? I mean, if we go with internet companies,
>> you
>> could process the payment, right?
>>> 
> 
> If some one get a hold of a supplier that accept online payment I can
> pay directly to the supplier. No matter if it is for one country or it
> is for several countries, or even if it is for a city.
> 
> I think we should put together a wiki with who is gonna order swag,
> which countries will cover, describe the materials, put the cost and
> how will be paid. So we can move forward.
> 
> 
>>> From EMEA email, I like the idea of table clothes.
>> Yes! :)
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best regards
>>> 
>>> Neville
>> Thanks for the input, Neville
>> 
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[Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado]

I have some suppliers here in Colombia that can accept payments abroad.
I'll investigate in further way and come back

On Sat, Nov 12, 2016, 1:07 PM Abdel Gadiel Martínez Lassonde <
abdel.g.martinez.l(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  This effort is useless if there are no contributors willing to pay
> for
>  his/her country swag or, event worse, willing to pay for several country
>  swags, for then waiting for the reimbursement.
>
>  The idea of having a supplier to pay directly is wonderful and feasible.
>  We in Panama actually have did that before with no problems at all.
>
>  Sent from my iPhone
>
>  > On Nov 12, 2016, at 10:30 AM, Neville A. Cross <yn1v(a)taygon.com&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  > On Thu, 2016-11-10 at 17:05 -0200, Athos Ribeiro wrote:
>  >>>
>  >
>  >
>  >> Renaming the thred, name was weird :(
>  >>
>  >>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:08:42AM -0600, Neville A. Cross wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>> Look for which countries you can send stuff that will be under free
>  >>> trade agreement. If you can produce for 3 or 4 countries, I think
>  >>> is
>  >>> worth making an investment.
>  >> I like this idea.
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> We can produce swag for each country individually that has somebody
>  >>> with paypal to be reimbursed for the production for his or her
>  >>> country.
>  >>> It may be not ideal, but we do not live in a perfect world.
>  >> This is nice too, but if it's for the whole country, would you be
>  >> willing to cover for that? I mean, if we go with internet companies,
>  >> you
>  >> could process the payment, right?
>  >>>
>  >
>  > If some one get a hold of a supplier that accept online payment I can
>  > pay directly to the supplier. No matter if it is for one country or it
>  > is for several countries, or even if it is for a city.
>  >
>  > I think we should put together a wiki with who is gonna order swag,
>  > which countries will cover, describe the materials, put the cost and
>  > how will be paid. So we can move forward.
>  >
>  >
>  >>> From EMEA email, I like the idea of table clothes.
>  >> Yes! :)
>  >>
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>> Best regards
>  >>>
>  >>> Neville
>  >> Thanks for the input, Neville
>  >>
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