Saludos.
LATAM solía ser una comunidad de compañeros, una comunidad unida mas allá de los patrocinios y el dinero, una comunidad que si bien no colaboraba tanto en la distro como tal, tenia las mejores interacciones sociales de todas las regiones... ya no tenemos ni eso.
Con pesar cada día que me levanto a leer el telegram (ya ni siquiera el de LATAM, sino el internacional) y solo leo problemas, acusaciones, indirectas e insultos.... basta por favor, creo que no solamente yo, sino todos los que los leemos estamos cansados.
Ya no me interesa quien tiene razón o no, el simple hecho de que hayan sido incapaces de solucionar sus problemas por los canales regulares o simplemente en privado, el hecho de que hayan querido hacer ruido de problemas que se pudieron solucionar con una simple conversa entre adultos y dejar al resto de los no involucrados afuera, está haciendo que perdamos no solo miembros, sino respeto de la comunidad internacional... por favor, ya basta.
Creen que ganan respeto o visibilidad haciendo alboroto en cuanto canal se aparece y que de esa forma, sus puntos tendrán mas validez... les digo la verdad? ya todo el problema perdió validez por el simple hecho de que hayan pasado casi dos meses desde la primera pelea y no sean capaces de solucionar sus diferencias. ¿Qué quieren, que aquellos que hemos dado el todo por el todo dejemos nuestros trabajos, familia y responsabilidades para ayudarlos a solventar sus problemas porque uds no pueden solos?
Si quieren ser lideres, compórtense como tales, el liderazgo se gana, no se exige.
De parte de "La Comunidad" que tanto dicen defender, les pido encarecidamente que hagan un canal donde quieran solo con los que tienen el problema armado, lo solucionen, y dejen al resto colaborar en paz.
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Greetings.
LATAM used to be a community of friends, a community united beyond sponsorship and money, a community that even though didn't contributed that much to the distro, had the best social interactions from all the regions... now we don't even have that.
Regretfully, each day when I wake up to read Telegram (now not only LATAM, but the international group as well) I only read problems, accusations, insinuations and insults... enough please, I think not just me but everyone who reads it is completely tired.
I'm no longer interested on who's right or not, the simple fact that you all were unable to solve your problems through regular channels or just on private, the fact that you just wanted to make some noise of problems that could have solved with a simple talk between adults and leave the rest of the not involved outside, it's making us not only lose members, but also lose respect from the international community... please, enough.
You think that you earn respect or visibility by making a rampage at every single channel you can get and that through this action, your points will have more validity... want to know the truth? all problem lost validity just by the simple fact that has been nearly 2 months since the first fight and you haven't been able to solve your differences. What do you want? Do you want that those who have already leave everything for the community leave once more our jobs, family and dutty just to help you solve your problems since you can't do it by yourselves?
If you want to be leaders, then behave as such, leadership is earn, not demanded.
From all "The Community" that you so claim to defend, I ask you strongly to make a channel where those who have all this argument in place, solve it, and leave the rest of us contribute in peace.
Hello,
I agree that all the flamming should stop since it does not add anything to the community.
I disagree when you say LATAM does not contribute much to the distro: we do have several packagers, translators and ppl contributing in several other areas among the distro, other than doing the usual ambassadors work.
That said, I believe the flamming should just stop and that the proper way to do so would be just by not adding anything to the flamming topics. Telegram group is gone and ppl are back to IRC. I understand you may be frustrated with all the fights going on and everything, but I don't see a valid point on starting another discussion that will eventually end up with another fight.
Maybe we should just ignore all the fights and flamming and let the ppl involved figure it out by themselves as you suggested!
Una triste realidad
Em 12 de set de 2016 11:22, "Athos Coimbra Ribeiro" athoscribeiro@gmail.com escreveu:
Hello,
I agree that all the flamming should stop since it does not add anything to the community.
I disagree when you say LATAM does not contribute much to the distro: we do have several packagers, translators and ppl contributing in several other areas among the distro, other than doing the usual ambassadors work.
That said, I believe the flamming should just stop and that the proper way to do so would be just by not adding anything to the flamming topics. Telegram group is gone and ppl are back to IRC. I understand you may be frustrated with all the fights going on and everything, but I don't see a valid point on starting another discussion that will eventually end up with another fight.
Maybe we should just ignore all the fights and flamming and let the ppl involved figure it out by themselves as you suggested!
-- Athos Ribeiro
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Todas las familias tienen sus altas y bajas, espero se pueda conversar en el FUDcon.
On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 9:41 AM, Eduardo Sena prof.senna@gmail.com wrote:
Una triste realidad
Em 12 de set de 2016 11:22, "Athos Coimbra Ribeiro" < athoscribeiro@gmail.com> escreveu:
Hello,
I agree that all the flamming should stop since it does not add anything to the community.
I disagree when you say LATAM does not contribute much to the distro: we do have several packagers, translators and ppl contributing in several other areas among the distro, other than doing the usual ambassadors work.
That said, I believe the flamming should just stop and that the proper way to do so would be just by not adding anything to the flamming topics. Telegram group is gone and ppl are back to IRC. I understand you may be frustrated with all the fights going on and everything, but I don't see a valid point on starting another discussion that will eventually end up with another fight.
Maybe we should just ignore all the fights and flamming and let the ppl involved figure it out by themselves as you suggested!
-- Athos Ribeiro
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I agree with Athos. Let's do what we're here for. Make friends, contribute to fedora and so on. If someone wants a fight, solve that in private or ignore the person, and let's contribute to Fedora.
I would like to take this opportunity and congratulate the L10N/G11N team in Brazil for the marvelous work they have done. Even with serious conflicts they managed to translate all the main projects. I want to translate but they have translated almost everything already haha. I'm left with just reviews :P
Congratulation guys, you rock. And not only them, we have wonderful People everywhere in Fedora. Let us not annoy these people with our personal conflicts.
Still happy to be part or such a great community! I wish a nice week to you all.
mribeirodantas
Em 12 de set de 2016 11:22 AM, "Athos Coimbra Ribeiro" < athoscribeiro@gmail.com> escreveu:
Hello,
I agree that all the flamming should stop since it does not add anything to the community.
I disagree when you say LATAM does not contribute much to the distro: we do have several packagers, translators and ppl contributing in several other areas among the distro, other than doing the usual ambassadors work.
That said, I believe the flamming should just stop and that the proper way to do so would be just by not adding anything to the flamming topics. Telegram group is gone and ppl are back to IRC. I understand you may be frustrated with all the fights going on and everything, but I don't see a valid point on starting another discussion that will eventually end up with another fight.
Maybe we should just ignore all the fights and flamming and let the ppl involved figure it out by themselves as you suggested!
-- Athos Ribeiro
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Thanks Marcel big words.
A good week for everyone as well.
*Prof. Eduardo Lucas Sena*
*Faculdade Vale do Cricaré* *Coordenação do Curso de ADS* *SAMATEC* *Coordenação de Cursos Jogos Digitais* *Conselheiro de Ciencia e Tecnologia São Mateus - ES* prof.senna@gmail.com prof.senna@live.com senna@fedoraproject.org https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Senna - Fedoraproject.org http://lattes.cnpq.br/8510338316521208 http://lattes.cnpq.br/8510338316521208 - CV-Lattes
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