Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2014-07-31)
by Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2014-07-31)
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Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:02 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-07-31/infrastructure...
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Meeting summary
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* aloha (nirik, 18:00:02)
* New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks (nirik, 18:01:23)
* Applications status / discussion (nirik, 18:09:05)
* LINK:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/rel-eng/2014-July/018167.html
for more info (pingou, 18:10:32)
* pkgdb new package new branch workflow setup in pkgdb (nirik,
18:11:04)
* LINK: http://209.132.184.222/progit :) (pingou, 18:11:34)
* Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 18:15:31)
* nagios/alerts recap (nirik, 18:20:24)
* Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 18:25:13)
* LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/
(nirik, 18:25:13)
* LINK: http://flocktofedora.org/ (nirik, 18:27:05)
* flock next week. (nirik, 18:29:58)
* alpha freeze 2014-08-12 (nirik, 18:30:06)
* Open Floor (nirik, 18:30:14)
Meeting ended at 18:39:49 UTC.
Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* nirik (85)
* pingou (36)
* ryayon (14)
* mpduty (7)
* ootbro (6)
* zodbot (5)
* lanica (4)
* oddshocks_ (4)
* smooge (4)
* ramesh (3)
* relrod (2)
* sart (2)
* bochecha (1)
* janeznemanic (1)
* puiterwijk (1)
* abadger1999 (1)
* lmacken (1)
* oddshocks1 (1)
* webpigeon (1)
* hammad_ (1)
* threebean (0)
* mdomsch (0)
* dgilmore (0)
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18:00:02 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2014-07-31)
18:00:02 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jul 31 18:00:02 2014 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:00:02 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
18:00:02 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure
18:00:02 <nirik> #topic aloha
18:00:02 <nirik> #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean pingou puiterwijk
18:00:02 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
18:00:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean
18:00:09 * lmacken
18:00:12 * pingou
18:00:13 * puiterwijk is here
18:00:24 * relrod
18:00:24 <janeznemanic> hi
18:00:31 <ootbro> I'm here
18:00:33 * lanica is here for the infra meeting.
18:00:37 <webpigeon> o/
18:00:43 <sart> here
18:00:48 <nirik> welcome everyone.
18:01:23 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks
18:01:30 <nirik> any new folks like to introduce themselves?
18:01:32 * bochecha is here
18:01:39 <nirik> or apprentices with questions/comments/ideas?
18:01:54 <mpduty> is here
18:02:06 <ramesh> Hello
18:02:46 <ootbro> From the Apprentice realm..... I posted a draft of the infrastructure diagram at http://www.jt-sw.com/docs/index.nsf/docs/fpo-diag and sent notice to the infra list. nirik is the only one I've heard direclty from so far.
18:03:06 <nirik> :) yeah, do look and provide feedback everyone.
18:03:20 <ramesh> I am working as a DevOps Engineer, I have experience working on orchestration and configuration management using Ansible and Puppet.
18:03:29 * hammad_ is here
18:03:49 <ootbro> I don't mind making changes based on feedback, so definitely let me know if something needs to be adjusted.
18:03:53 <nirik> ramesh: welcome. See me after the meeting in #fedora-admin and I can point you at information to get started. ;)
18:04:08 <ramesh> sure, thanks
18:04:24 <smooge> here (few minutes late)
18:04:26 * abadger1999 here
18:04:36 <ryayon> HiHi
18:04:51 <mpduty> I tried to connect to fedora project machines but bastion.fedoraproject.org is the maximum that I could manage
18:04:53 <ootbro> next on my list is a diagram showing how the proxy services work with a list of services and (very short) descriptions of them.
18:05:20 <nirik> mpduty: ok, see folks in #fedora-admin and we can get it sorted out for you. :)
18:05:36 <mpduty> nirik, yes
18:06:14 <nirik> ryayon: welcome. Care to give a short intro of yourself? are you interested in helping out with sysadmin or more programming tasks?
18:06:17 <sart> I'm a bit hazy on the same topic as mpduty, I'll join in #fedora-admin after the meeting as well to refresh my memory.
18:07:23 <ryayon> Hi all
18:07:31 <nirik> sure. the ssh access sop has the info, but it's a bit confusing at times...
18:07:32 <ryayon> I am a sysadmin for 7/8 now
18:07:48 <ryayon> I don't know yet how I can help you
18:08:07 <ryayon> then I plan to start with resolving some tickets I have been provided
18:08:45 <nirik> ok. Welcome. And do feel free to ask questions as you go. ;)
18:08:50 <ryayon> and I am happy to join your community as a long RHEL likes user since the beginning
18:08:55 <ryayon> thanks
18:09:05 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion
18:09:13 <nirik> any applications news this week or upcoming?
18:09:35 <pingou> I worked mostly on progit this week
18:09:55 <pingou> as well as unit-tests for anitya
18:10:18 <pingou> and the admin actions for pkgdb2, the idea being to move the new package/new branch workflow off bugzilla into pkgdb
18:10:29 <nirik> pingou: so progit is perhaps someday a trac replacement?
18:10:32 <pingou> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/rel-eng/2014-July/018167.html for more info
18:10:50 <pingou> nirik: if we want to get it to this point, yes :)
18:11:04 <nirik> #info pkgdb new package new branch workflow setup in pkgdb
18:11:22 <nirik> pingou: it does tickets/bugs? or would use something like bugspad for that?
18:11:23 <pingou> I just made my slides for the talk at flock about it, so I want to keep some suspens there ;-)
18:11:29 <nirik> ok, fair enough.
18:11:34 <pingou> http://209.132.184.222/progit :)
18:12:06 <pingou> nirik: it does *basic* tickets
18:12:25 <pingou> as well as doc (via git, so rst/markdown/html)
18:12:36 * nirik prefers trac over github issues (which are way too basic IMHO)
18:12:48 * oddshocks1 appears
18:12:53 <nirik> anyhow, just wondering.
18:12:56 <pingou> I'm happy to make the issues a little more complete
18:13:02 * oddshocks_ 's bouncer is down
18:13:04 * oddshocks_ is here
18:13:08 * oddshocks_ on internal irc
18:13:13 <pingou> but it's kinda fine-tuning once the logic is there
18:13:17 <nirik> pingou: I wonder if plugging bugspad in there might be worth looking at?
18:13:22 <pingou> oddshocks_: nope, here you're on freenode ;)
18:13:24 <nirik> welcome oddshocks_
18:13:40 <pingou> nirik: could very well be, but then it's 2 apps to maintain vs 1
18:13:48 <nirik> true.
18:13:52 <nirik> just an idea.
18:13:59 <pingou> might be cool :)
18:14:17 <pingou> tickets can anyway be de-activated per project
18:14:36 <pingou> so a project could decide to use bugspad for its tickets easily
18:14:37 <nirik> most of our hosted projects are heavy ticket users... and git...
18:14:45 <nirik> ok
18:14:54 <pingou> (we'll just need to right a git hook for that, somehow)
18:14:59 <oddshocks_> pingou: er, man, you're right. i _am_ in internal, too ;)
18:15:02 <nirik> anything else application wise? It's been a pretty quiet week.
18:15:31 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion
18:15:40 <nirik> Also been somewhat quiet on the sysadmin side.
18:15:51 <nirik> smooge and I are recovering from spending all last week at our datacenter.
18:16:20 <pingou> I added the packager_alias role for the cron and script setting up the <pkg>-owner(a)fp.o aliases, but it's not used anywhere atm
18:16:28 <pingou> nirik: how did that go?
18:16:30 <nirik> We discovered a stupid mistake I made in the base ansible role the other night... I didn't enable iptables service. ;(
18:16:43 <pingou> oupsy :)
18:16:59 <smooge> could have been worse
18:17:02 <nirik> pingou: can we enable it in puppet for now? I'd love to announce the teams stuff for pkgdb at flock.
18:17:19 <smooge> you backed out the setting of root password to letmein1
18:17:29 <nirik> heh. ;)
18:17:36 <pingou> nirik: it's already enabled (and in puppet)
18:17:56 <nirik> oh, cool.
18:17:57 <pingou> smooge: so it's not toor anymore?
18:18:13 <pingou> nirik: I imported it from puppet to ansible when I made the module ;-)
18:18:33 <smooge> and I was wrong to meet our password rules it was 'Password1234'
18:18:42 <nirik> I've been tweaking small things this week and trying to make it so nagios doesn't bother us in the upcoming week too much.
18:18:42 <pingou> nirik: I was thinking to wait for after flock to call for testers, but I guess we can do it during flock (which is even nicer) :)
18:19:03 <nirik> pingou: Yeah, it would be nice. :)
18:19:10 <pingou> we got a deal :)
18:19:17 <nirik> lets see... what else.
18:19:44 <nirik> I re-added the pager app in ansible (we dropped it when we moved to ansible there).
18:19:53 <nirik> Hopefully no one needs it, but it's there if they do
18:20:24 <nirik> #topic nagios/alerts recap
18:21:04 <nirik> humf.
18:21:14 <nirik> mod_auth_openid messes with my url.
18:21:19 <relrod> :(
18:21:38 <nirik> .tiny https://admin.fedoraproject.org/nagios/cgi-bin//summary.cgi?alerttypes=3&...
18:21:39 <zodbot> nirik: http://tinyurl.com/ms5u5qm
18:21:42 <lanica> Was the pager app tested after fixing it? :)
18:22:00 <nirik> lanica: nope, I was adding it in an evening and didn't want to bother people.
18:22:06 <nirik> we can test it tho
18:22:34 <nirik> so, on nagios, the usual telia stuff (still working to move that off that site)
18:22:57 <nirik> and we have seen some periods of packet loss/network problems that are beyond our control.
18:23:14 <lanica> Test self? ;)
18:24:00 <nirik> lanica: it pages the person you pick, but it also mails everyone in sysadmin-main... so I want to be sure it's at a time it won't bother everyone else.
18:24:39 <lanica> Ahh
18:24:57 <pingou> then I think now is a good time, Europe isn't asleep, US are awake (and I don't think we have anyone in APAC in -main)
18:25:02 <nirik> we can probibly test after the meeting
18:25:05 <nirik> yeah
18:25:13 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items
18:25:13 <nirik> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/
18:25:23 <nirik> so, big upcoming item: flock is next week.
18:25:41 <nirik> lots of us are going to be traveling to/from and be offline at talks, etc.
18:25:59 <nirik> so, please be very carefull with any changes that can cause outages right now.
18:26:15 <nirik> and if folks find problems or issues and no one is around, do ask them to file tickets.
18:26:16 <pingou> aren't ew in freeze?
18:26:18 <pingou> should we?
18:26:25 <nirik> we aren't.
18:26:44 <nirik> but with everyone traveling we kinda are in a practical sense. ;)
18:26:50 <ryayon> What is Flock?
18:26:54 <pingou> true there :)
18:27:05 <nirik> http://flocktofedora.org/
18:27:11 <nirik> our yearly conference. ;)
18:27:41 <ryayon> OK
18:27:48 <nirik> this time it's in Prague. ;)
18:28:36 <nirik> I'll note we have #fedora-flock channel for the conference. General talk, info and feedback from folks that can't make it is all welcome there.
18:29:21 <nirik> Our new alpha freeze date is 2014-08-12.
18:29:38 <nirik> so, we will have just a little time after flock if there's things we want to do before freeze.
18:29:58 <nirik> #info flock next week.
18:30:06 <nirik> #info alpha freeze 2014-08-12
18:30:14 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
18:30:22 * pingou will be afk from the end of flock until 2014-08-16
18:30:24 <nirik> Any items for open floor? general questions, comments, ideas?
18:30:42 <nirik> pingou: ok. You will come back to a nice freeze. ;)
18:30:47 <pingou> \ó/
18:31:24 <mpduty> could we elaborate how to connect to fedora project machines a little bit more on the wiki
18:31:46 <mpduty> for apprentice people :)
18:31:48 <nirik> mpduty: http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/infra/docs/sshaccess.txt should have the info
18:31:57 <nirik> but very open to ideas on how to make it more clear, etc.
18:32:41 <ootbro> nirik: a once-over look at the layout of the Getting Started wiki page might help -- list everything needed on there to smooth it out
18:32:58 <nirik> yeah
18:33:32 <nirik> I can try and do that.
18:34:30 <ryayon> nirik: maybe I can help
18:35:06 <nirik> sure.
18:35:26 <nirik> that is a wiki page, so edits welcome from anyone.
18:35:34 <mpduty> after doing the config file it took me a while to understand that I had to use 'ssh bastion.fedoraproject.org' to connect, maybe it is obvious but I really missed it
18:35:43 <ryayon> We already have authorizations?
18:36:00 <nirik> mpduty: good point, we should make a note about that in there.
18:36:18 <nirik> ryayon: for the wiki yeah, any person with a fedora account can edit (most) wiki pages.
18:36:47 <ryayon> OK, then I will work on it and let you know about that
18:36:57 <nirik> ok.
18:37:07 <ootbro> ryayon: When I was getting started a couple months ago, it took some troubleshooting to figure out what was missing in my config. I might still have my notes from back then
18:37:13 <pingou> nirik: we don't use ssh bastion, we wouldn't be able to go elsewhere
18:37:14 <ryayon> mpduty: I will notify you once the page is done so you can check it
18:37:26 <mpduty> ryayon, sure
18:37:44 <ryayon> good
18:38:01 <nirik> pingou: depends. I have my setup to assume fedoraproject.org and only add exceptions for my few home machines. ;)
18:38:48 <pingou> ah you mean ssh <hosts>.phx2.fedoraproject.org
18:39:08 <pingou> yeah I am in that case :)
18:39:19 <nirik> right. most people probibly aren't.
18:39:39 <nirik> anyhow, lets continue over in #fedora-admin, #fedora-apps and #fedora-noc.
18:39:43 <pingou> sure
18:39:45 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone!
18:39:49 <nirik> #endmeeting
9 years, 9 months
Summary/Minutes from today's irc support sig meeting (2014-07-31)
by Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2014-07-31)
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Meeting started by nirik at 17:00:04 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-07-31/irc-support-si...
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Meeting summary
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* init process (nirik, 17:00:04)
* Week in review (nirik, 17:02:01)
* ticket #168 EvilBob recurring hostility - specifically in this case
a mental health personal attack (nirik, 17:04:37)
* ticket #169 Unfriendly attitude from channel users (nirik, 17:06:18)
* ticket #170 irc channel makes you join another channel when not
registered (nirik, 17:12:53)
* Open Floor (nirik, 17:16:24)
Meeting ended at 17:20:31 UTC.
Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* nirik (42)
* EvilBob (11)
* che (8)
* zodbot (3)
* N3LRX (2)
* che_ (1)
* Southern_Gentlem (1)
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17:00:04 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2014-07-31)
17:00:04 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jul 31 17:00:04 2014 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
17:00:04 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
17:00:04 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig
17:00:04 <nirik> #topic init process
17:00:04 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig'
17:00:26 * N3LRX
17:00:28 <nirik> who all is around for a irc support sig meeting?
17:00:30 * Southern_Gentlem
17:01:00 * che_
17:01:22 <nirik> hey che. Long time no see. ;)
17:01:38 <che> nirik, yeah. i am around from time to time but really busy mostly.
17:01:52 <nirik> yeah, seems to be the case with most everyone these days. ;)
17:02:01 <nirik> #topic Week in review
17:02:25 <nirik> Anyone have common bugs/issues or other items they have been seeing lately in channel?
17:02:57 <nirik> again it's been pretty typical I think...
17:03:15 <nirik> a bit quiet since f20 is so old now. ;)
17:04:28 <nirik> alright then, on to tickets I guess...
17:04:37 <nirik> #topic ticket #168 EvilBob recurring hostility - specifically in this case a mental health personal attack
17:04:37 <nirik> .link https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/168
17:04:46 <nirik> this is related to the next one too...
17:05:31 <nirik> personally, I would say we ask EvilBob to try and be more polite and just close the ticket.
17:05:36 <EvilBob> Again, I do not feel it is appropriate to feed and enable users untreated paranoia
17:05:57 <che> nirik, +1 ;)
17:06:06 <nirik> EvilBob: sure. I think perhaps it would have been better all around if we had quieted the user sooner.
17:06:18 <nirik> #topic ticket #169 Unfriendly attitude from channel users
17:06:19 <nirik> .link https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/169
17:06:19 <nirik>
17:06:25 <nirik> (this is the other related ticket)
17:06:45 <che> EvilBob, no offense... i think i know the feeling if you sepnt too much time on irc. the trick is to sometimes not answer instead of beeing rude ;)
17:07:55 <EvilBob> che: I was not rude
17:08:19 <EvilBob> che: I simply suggested that they seek professional help from the medical community
17:08:21 <che> EvilBob, well the mental health facility one is not friendly either. ;)
17:08:41 <che> EvilBob, 99.9% of humanity needs that.
17:08:58 <nirik> IMHO, telling people that (even if it's completely true and would help them) doesn't get them to seek such help
17:09:52 <EvilBob> I will take your opinions under consideration in the future
17:10:08 <nirik> I think we need to use quiet more quickly for folks who are offtopic so it doesn't escalate...
17:10:15 <nirik> thanks EvilBob
17:10:44 * nirik notes it was none of the people this person found unfriendly who quieted them. :)
17:11:07 <che> nirik, probably because most people dont even get that they are muted :D
17:11:11 <nirik> anyhow, anything else on these two?
17:11:15 <nirik> che: well, it tells them...
17:11:21 <nirik> but I agree some people don't read.
17:11:28 <che> nirik, ... exactly.
17:11:37 <nirik> we see that every single day in fedora-unregistered.
17:12:53 <nirik> #topic ticket #170 irc channel makes you join another channel when not registered
17:12:53 <nirik> .link https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/170
17:13:09 <nirik> I added my thoughts to the ticket. While well meaning, the suggestion won't work, IMHO.
17:13:25 <EvilBob> We have discussed this numerous times
17:13:33 <nirik> yeah.
17:13:57 <EvilBob> If nothing else it cuts down the noise from people having connection issues that part/join flood
17:14:33 <N3LRX> and the spam bots with random nicks
17:14:45 <EvilBob> yup
17:14:55 <che> enough reason from my pov to keep it.
17:14:59 <nirik> If freenode added a way to customize the 'cannot send to channel' message, I might be up for trying it. Until then, no.
17:15:09 <EvilBob> +1
17:16:20 <nirik> alright. Sounds like we are all pretty much agreeing that we can't follow the suggestion as is. ;)
17:16:24 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
17:16:31 <nirik> anyone have items for open floor?
17:16:37 <nirik> comments, suggestions, ideas?
17:17:22 <EvilBob> I've not been around much, just busy with life and most recently sick.
17:17:40 <nirik> cool... and not cool. ;)
17:18:28 <EvilBob> Bronchitis... hate it. Have not had this crap since I quit smoking pot 27 years ago.
17:18:43 <nirik> icky. well, get well soon.
17:19:02 <EvilBob> Yeah pumping in meds and fluids
17:19:44 <nirik> ok, if nothing else will end the meeting in a minute...
17:20:27 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone.
17:20:31 <nirik> #endmeeting
9 years, 9 months
Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2014-07-30)
by Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2014-07-30)
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Meeting started by nirik at 17:01:29 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-07-30/fesco.2014-07-...
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Meeting summary
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* init process (nirik, 17:01:29)
* no meeting next week, see 'meet your fesco' at flock. (nirik,
17:07:47)
* #1322 F21 Changes - Progress on Changes Freeze (nirik, 17:10:57)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1322 (nirik, 17:10:57)
* #1326 change to fesco replacement process? (nirik, 17:12:41)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1326 (nirik, 17:12:41)
* LINK:
http://flock2014.sched.org/event/9d2f47d741d92f1ddf559bb918dcb2d1
(nirik, 17:14:31)
* will defer this until after flock. (nirik, 17:18:04)
* #1327 Process whenisgood results (nirik, 17:18:10)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1327 (nirik, 17:18:11)
* AGREED: keep current time (+5,0,0) (nirik, 17:27:59)
* Week after next's chair (nirik, 17:28:23)
* mitr to chair aug 13th meeting (nirik, 17:31:22)
* Open Floor (nirik, 17:31:25)
Meeting ended at 17:39:36 UTC.
Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* nirik (66)
* sgallagh (25)
* mattdm (22)
* mitr (19)
* zodbot (8)
* jwb (8)
* abadger1999 (1)
* mmaslano (0)
* t8m (0)
* kalev (0)
* thozza (0)
* dgilmore (0)
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17:01:29 <nirik> #startmeeting FESCO (2014-07-30)
17:01:29 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jul 30 17:01:29 2014 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
17:01:29 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
17:01:29 <nirik> #meetingname fesco
17:01:29 <nirik> #chair dgilmore jwb kalev mattdm mitr mmaslano nirik sgallagh t8m thozza
17:01:29 <nirik> #topic init process
17:01:29 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco'
17:01:29 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore jwb kalev mattdm mitr mmaslano nirik sgallagh t8m thozza
17:01:58 <sgallagh> .hellomynameis sgallagh
17:01:59 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh(a)redhat.com>
17:02:10 <mitr> Hello
17:03:13 <nirik> ok, thats 3. :) We may not have quorum today
17:04:06 <mattdm> i'm here.. sorry
17:04:16 <mattdm> that doesn't quite make quorum though :)
17:04:26 <mattdm> plus I have to leave in 40 minutes.
17:05:19 <nirik> alright.
17:05:54 <nirik> I assume we will not be meeting next week as thats flock time.
17:06:15 <sgallagh> Is all of FESCo going to be on-site?
17:07:11 <nirik> not sure.
17:07:19 <nirik> possibly
17:07:47 <nirik> #info no meeting next week, see 'meet your fesco' at flock.
17:08:58 * mattdm nods
17:09:58 <nirik> ok, I guess no quorum...
17:10:17 <nirik> continue in tickets and at flock and we will meet the week after.
17:10:28 <jwb> here, sorry
17:10:38 <nirik> oh hey. :)
17:10:50 <nirik> thats quorum then for now. ;)
17:10:57 <nirik> #topic #1322 F21 Changes - Progress on Changes Freeze
17:10:57 <nirik> .fesco 1322
17:10:57 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1322
17:10:59 <zodbot> nirik: #1322 (F21 Changes - Progress on Changes Freeze) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1322
17:11:18 <nirik> any changes of concern?
17:11:35 <nirik> Hopefully they will use the extra time...
17:11:42 <jwb> at the moment, no
17:12:03 <mattdm> yes, the extra time really helps for atomic in particular
17:12:11 <mattdm> and sgallagh was mentioning also for the server api
17:12:17 * nirik nods
17:12:41 <nirik> #topic #1326 change to fesco replacement process?
17:12:41 <nirik> .fesco 1326
17:12:41 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1326
17:12:43 <zodbot> nirik: #1326 (change to fesco replacement process?) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1326
17:12:44 <sgallagh> Yeah, we're a little behind schedule, but I think the slip has us covered
17:13:00 <sgallagh> Motion: discuss this at Meet Your FESCo, live.
17:13:01 <nirik> so there's been a lot of discussion on ticket.
17:13:37 <nirik> Also, it may be very on topic in the governance workshop
17:13:49 <sgallagh> That too
17:13:55 <sgallagh> cwickert is running the latter one, right?
17:13:57 <mattdm> yes, absolutely.
17:14:01 <mitr> sgallagh: live, yes; taking time from audience questions in that session, I’d rather not
17:14:03 <mattdm> and abadger1999
17:14:31 <nirik> http://flock2014.sched.org/event/9d2f47d741d92f1ddf559bb918dcb2d1
17:14:58 <abadger1999> number80 and I ... is cwickert involved in the same one or a parallel session?
17:15:10 * sgallagh looks
17:15:36 <sgallagh> I think I had that confused with the "Fate of Spins" session
17:16:46 <nirik> Anyhow, I don't know that we have reached a conclusion in this ticket, so I would be happy to defer it until after flock and see what we can work out there.
17:16:59 <sgallagh> +1
17:17:02 <jwb> sure
17:17:20 <nirik> any objections?
17:17:30 <mitr> nirik: +1 to deferring
17:18:04 <nirik> #info will defer this until after flock.
17:18:10 <nirik> #topic #1327 Process whenisgood results
17:18:10 <nirik> .fesco 1327
17:18:11 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1327
17:18:12 <zodbot> nirik: #1327 (Process whenisgood results) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1327
17:18:30 <nirik> and the survey says:
17:18:34 <nirik> no time is good for everyone. ;)
17:18:50 <sgallagh> The current time appears closest
17:19:18 <mitr> The current time is actually attended by the person who says he can’t do it :)
17:19:50 <mattdm> mitr I noticed that too.
17:20:13 <nirik> ok then... sounds like we just keep this time then? or ask everyone to update as much as they can?
17:20:15 <jwb> who was that?
17:20:19 <sgallagh> jwb: t8m
17:20:20 <mattdm> jwb: t8m
17:20:25 <mattdm> jinx
17:20:39 * sgallagh hands over a Pepsi
17:21:24 <mattdm> (It'd be nice if the whenisgood app allowed "inconvenient but i can do it" and "best time" votes.
17:21:30 <nirik> yeah.
17:23:07 <sgallagh> mattdm: GSoC project for next summer: Better WhenIsGood
17:23:12 <mattdm> heh.
17:23:17 * sgallagh wasn't kidding
17:23:27 <nirik> actually there is a open source nicer one.
17:23:34 <nirik> but then we would have to run it.
17:23:37 <jwb> hi weeds!
17:23:41 <sgallagh> nirik: OpenShift?
17:23:41 <nirik> :)
17:23:48 <mattdm> jwb yeah. moving on? :)
17:23:57 <nirik> proposal: keep current time
17:24:03 <jwb> sure
17:24:05 <sgallagh> nirik: Point me at it, I'll host it on the fedoraserver openshift account
17:24:10 <mitr> Since we have basically 2 options,
17:24:13 <mitr> proposal: keep current time; if t8m and kalev negotiate that the Tuesday one would be better, they can ask for a change.
17:24:13 <mattdm> can someone ask t8m if the current time really doesn't work due to a schedule change?
17:24:23 <mattdm> mitr +1
17:24:29 <nirik> sgallagh: can't find it now, but will let you know if I do
17:24:34 <mitr> nirik: +1
17:24:37 <sgallagh> nirik: Seems like the best choice. Either this or Tuesday at the same time and lose Kalev
17:25:41 <mitr> mattdm: t8m will be at Flock
17:25:42 * nirik is ok with mitr s too
17:25:59 <mitr> They are equivalent anyway :)
17:26:18 <mattdm> mitr true :)
17:26:32 <sgallagh> mitr: +1
17:27:59 <nirik> #agreed keep current time (+5,0,0)
17:28:06 <nirik> (assuming jwb's sure was a +1)
17:28:11 <jwb> yes, sorry
17:28:23 <nirik> #topic Week after next's chair
17:28:32 <nirik> who wants the next chair?
17:28:48 <mattdm> this is for the week _after_ next, right?
17:29:13 <mattdm> I will be travelling back from post-flock meetings in brno
17:29:18 <nirik> right
17:29:28 <nirik> the 13th
17:29:38 <sgallagh> Same, I will be in transit that day
17:31:02 <nirik> I'll be back, but I was chair today. ;)
17:31:06 <nirik> I guess I can next time too.
17:31:08 <mitr> *shrug* I can do it
17:31:14 <nirik> cool. thanks mitr
17:31:22 <nirik> #info mitr to chair aug 13th meeting
17:31:25 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
17:31:30 <nirik> any items for open floor?
17:32:23 <mitr> There was a request to discuss https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1118907
17:33:18 <jwb> i read that over, but i would need more time to decide anything there
17:33:21 <nirik> yeah, I glanced at it but haven't had time to look into it much
17:33:43 <mattdm> I'm tentatively +1 to colin's approach but would like to hear if there's a practical reason to enable it now
17:33:45 <sgallagh> My impression is that this is way too invasive to land during what should already be Alpha
17:33:47 <mitr> Similar here
17:34:35 <mitr> A lets-not-think-about-this fallback is saying that https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:UsersAndGroups still applies and systemd should comply, and the new mechanism should go through FPC for F22 (which it should anyway)
17:35:06 <nirik> lets defer? I see sgallagh asked walters to file a fesco ticket on it too.
17:35:27 <mattdm> +1 wait.
17:35:27 <mitr> but the right thing to do is to file a ticket, discuss more, and defer -- unless this were time-sensitive
17:35:38 * nirik nods.
17:35:52 <sgallagh> It's probably time-sensitive
17:36:03 <sgallagh> It sounds like the systemd guys enabled this in F21 and it's breaking things
17:36:14 <sgallagh> We likely don't want to fix the breakage this close to Alpha
17:36:40 * mattdm has to go. see you all in cz!
17:36:43 <mitr> The next FESCo meeting is 1 day after the Alpha deadline; we _could_ handle this in a ticket but I wouldn’t bet on it.
17:37:00 * nirik looks at the bug again.
17:37:05 <nirik> safe travels mattdm
17:37:22 <mitr> sgallagh: OTOH systemd is the only user, so the fallout is Alpha testing one component being done slightly differently, which is perhaps not that much of a deal.
17:37:57 <mitr> sgallagh: And, it _has_ broken things but wasn't that already fixed?
17:38:11 <mitr> Anyway, without mattdm we are out of quorum so deferring by default.
17:38:11 <nirik> I guess it's implied that it broke atomic?
17:38:18 <nirik> (since walters was trying to disable it)
17:38:28 <nirik> should ask for more info. yeah.
17:38:41 <nirik> ok, any other items before we close out?
17:38:57 <sgallagh> I generally vote to stay conservative this late in a cycle.
17:39:09 <sgallagh> We're under quorum, so no :)
17:39:11 <mitr> I’ll just go ahead and file the ticket
17:39:16 <nirik> aalright.
17:39:33 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone. See (many/most/all) of you at flock next week!
17:39:36 <nirik> #endmeeting
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Server WG Meeting Minutes (2014-07-29)
by Stephen Gallagher
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* roll call (sgallagh, 15:00:51)
* adamw and tuanta will not be in attendance today (sgallagh,
15:04:00)
* Quorum not met (sgallagh, 15:10:40)
* Status of Fedora Websites and branding (sgallagh, 15:10:55)
* LINK: http://stg.fedoraproject.org/en/get-prerelease (sgallagh,
15:18:15)
* mizmo is great (sgallagh, 15:21:04)
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Meeting minutes Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-07-29)
by Marcela Mašláňová
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#fedora-meeting: Env and Stacks (2014-07-29)
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Meeting started by mmaslano at 13:02:33 UTC. The full logs are available
at
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* init process (mmaslano, 13:09:26)
* rpmgrill vs taskotron (mmaslano, 13:09:38)
* rpmgrill consumes quite a lot of resources -- CPU/disk/(network) --
we need to find out if taskotron be capable of running such utility
(hhorak, 13:49:14)
* for rpmgrill it would be beneficial if taskotron results could be
grouped by their desire (groups like SecurityPolicy, BuildLog)
(hhorak, 13:49:14)
* current rpmgrill search with tooltips is here:
http://rpmgrill-fc20.edsantiago.com:5000/search (hhorak, 13:49:14)
* we'll should try to go with the integrating of rpmgrill into
taskotron for now and only if it turns to be problematic we should
start to maintain a separate system for rpmgrill (hhorak, 13:49:14)
* docker & copr (mmaslano, 13:52:33)
* BaseWG voted and decided to own base images (mmaslano, 13:53:04)
* LINK: https://vpavlin.fedorapeople.org/copr-docker.svg (vpavlin,
13:53:56)
* LINK: https://vpavlin.fedorapeople.org/build.json (vpavlin,
13:54:14)
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Re: [Ambassadors] REMINDER French Fedora Meeting Today #fedora-meeting-1
by Emmanuel Seyman
* Reminder [28/07/2014 08:30] :
>
> This mail is a reminder for today's meeting for the French speaking community.
>
> 2014-07-28 / 20:30 (hour of Paris)
> IRC: freenode
> #fedora-meeting-1
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#fedora-meeting-1: Fedora-Fr
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Meeting started by eseyman at 18:33:23 UTC. The full logs are available
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* Association Borsalinux-fr (eseyman, 18:34:50)
* Fedora-Fr.org (eseyman, 18:35:13)
* Projet Fedora (eseyman, 18:36:40)
* Josh Boyer élu au FESCo (eseyman, 18:39:08)
* Fedora 21 repoussé de 3 semaines (eseyman, 18:39:25)
* Premier samedi à la Cité des Sciences (eseyman, 18:50:33)
* Flock 2014 (Jehane, 18:52:58)
* Capitole du Libre 2014 (eseyman, 18:54:58)
* à priori, les RF21 n'auront pas lieu pendant Capitole du Libre
(délais trop courts) (eseyman, 18:59:01)
* ACTION: eseyman créer une page wiki pour CdL 2014 (eseyman,
19:00:12)
* Rencontres Fedora 21 (eseyman, 19:03:52)
* Discussion libre (eseyman, 19:11:07)
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* llaumgui (5)
* nobrakal_ (3)
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9 years, 9 months
Fedora Docs Meeting Minutes, with Bonus Meeting
by Pete Travis
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#fedora-meeting: fedora docs
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Meeting started by randomuser at 14:14:16 UTC. The full logs are
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* Roll Call (randomuser, 14:14:28)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
(randomuser, 14:14:53)
* follow up on last week's action items (randomuser, 14:17:07)
* ACTION: randomuser to build Technical Notes (randomuser, 14:18:13)
* ACTION: randomuser to announce beats are open (randomuser,
14:18:53)
* ACTION: randomuser to mail docs list re:zanata migration
(randomuser, 14:19:11)
* ACTION: Sparks to update documentation guide s/tx/zn/ (randomuser,
14:22:22)
* ACTION: lnovich to contact virt-getting-started guide owners to get
their plans, cc docs list (randomuser, 14:23:42)
* publican & seo (randomuser, 14:24:21)
* ACTION: lnovich to dig up info on seo, docbook metadata
(randomuser, 14:26:42)
* New Writers (randomuser, 14:26:57)
* new writers are always welcome in meetings and in #fedora-docs
(randomuser, 14:29:18)
* Office Hours Americas are 1800UTC Thursdays (randomuser, 14:29:41)
* Office Hours EMEA is 1500UTC Sundays (randomuser, 14:30:56)
* release note beats (randomuser, 14:31:07)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Documentation_beats
(randomuser, 14:31:42)
* writers needed for beats, badges for participants (randomuser,
14:32:06)
* office hours on sunday are 1500-2000 UTC (lnovich, 14:32:33)
* LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Immanetize/Beats_Redux
(randomuser, 14:34:07)
* beats cheatsheet in progress (randomuser, 14:34:23)
* LINK:
https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-21/f-21-docs-tasks.html
(randomuser, 14:34:51)
* LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/21/ChangeSet
(randomuser, 14:41:04)
* Guide Status (randomuser, 14:44:32)
* Open Floor (randomuser, 14:52:04)
* ACTION: randomuser to get relnotes-content credentials out to jjmcd
(randomuser, 14:55:02)
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* randomuser to build Technical Notes
* randomuser to announce beats are open
* randomuser to mail docs list re:zanata migration
* Sparks to update documentation guide s/tx/zn/
* lnovich to contact virt-getting-started guide owners to get their
plans, cc docs list
* lnovich to dig up info on seo, docbook metadata
* randomuser to get relnotes-content credentials out to jjmcd
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* lnovich to dig up info on seo, docbook metadata
* randomuser
* randomuser to build Technical Notes
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* randomuser to mail docs list re:zanata migration
* randomuser to get relnotes-content credentials out to jjmcd
* Sparks
* Sparks to update documentation guide s/tx/zn/
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* we have the vanilla site up and running on a VM (randomuser,
15:16:06)
* the VM is ansible managed and will automatically pull in any docs
tagged into the el6-docs koji tag (randomuser, 15:16:39)
* rkratky and yruseva have been working on customizing the front end and
landing page (randomuser, 15:17:24)
* LINK: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/docs-backend/en-US/
(randomuser, 15:29:57)
* LINK: https://rkratky.fedorapeople.org/docsweb/mockup/en-US/index.html
(randomuser, 15:30:32)
* yruseva will work on mockups during week of 28JUL (randomuser,
16:13:04)
* rkratky will work on CSS to match mockups week of 4 AUG (randomuser,
16:13:24)
* we will meet to review sometime in week of 11AUG (randomuser,
16:13:43)
* randomuser will work on deployment week of 11 AUG (randomuser,
16:13:59)
* week of 18 AUG will be testing, coordination with infra (randomuser,
16:14:30)
* changeover planned for week of 15 aug (randomuser, 16:15:00)
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