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Fedora 18 Beta Change Deadline pushed back by one week
by Jaroslav Reznik 08 Oct '12

08 Oct '12

Today at Fedora 18 Beta Change Deadline readiness meeting it was decided to push back Fedora 18 freeze by one week due to unfinished/non testable functionality required for the Beta release. Agreed: Due to upgrade functionality not being in a testable state, push schedule 1 week to allow it to land before entering beta freeze (+1 6, 0 0, -1 0 for FESCo, +1 for the whole QA, +1 for FPGM). Info: to use ticket #946 [1] to revisit the decision, freeze by default next week. Beta Change Deadline is now 2012-10-16. See the full meeting log [2]. As a result, ALL MAJOR MILESTONES, and their dependent tasks, will be pushed out by one week [3]. Jaroslav [1] https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/946 [2] http://bit.ly/PPMkjA [3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/18/Schedule -- Jaroslav Řezník <jreznik(a)redhat.com> Your schedule wrangler

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Fedora Marketing Minutes - October 4, 2012
by Ruth Suehle 04 Oct '12

04 Oct '12

*Here's what you missed in this week's episode of Legos of our Lives:* - The Denver LUG needs some Fedora love and speakers, probably early 2013 - Does the Internet have NO LIST (or map!) of LUGs?! lh to inquire whether Open Source Bridge would share their list with us so that Fedora can publish such a thing. Read it all here: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-10-04/fedora_marketing… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-10-04/fedora_marketing… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-10-04/fedora_marketing…

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F18 Beta Blocker Bug Review #2.1 Minutes
by Tim Flink 04 Oct '12

04 Oct '12

======================================= #fedora-qa: f18-beta-blocker-review-2.1 ======================================= Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-qa/2012-10-04/f18-beta-blocker-revi… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-qa/2012-10-04/f18-beta-blocker-revi… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-qa/2012-10-04/f18-beta-blocker-revi… 15:02 < zodbot> Please remember to CC: meetingminutes(a)lists.fedoraproject.org on your summary/minutes email. Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (tflink, 16:00:18) * Introduction (tflink, 16:10:52) * Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. (tflink, 16:11:02) * We'll be following the process outlined at: (tflink, 16:11:14) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting (tflink, 16:11:14) * The bugs up for review today are available at: (tflink, 16:11:19) * LINK: http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current (tflink, 16:11:20) * The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: (tflink, 16:11:26) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Alpha_Release_Criteria (tflink, 16:11:26) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Beta_Release_Criteria (tflink, 16:11:26) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Final_Release_Criteria (tflink, 16:11:26) * 26 Proposed Blockers (tflink, 16:11:46) * 13 Accepted Blockers (tflink, 16:11:47) * 5 Proposed NTH (tflink, 16:11:47) * 5 Accepted NTH (tflink, 16:11:47) * (860551) black screen fedora 20120924-test_days-x86_64 (tflink, 16:13:40) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=860551 (tflink, 16:13:40) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 16:13:40) * AGREED: 860551 - RejectedBlocker, AcceptedNTH - While severe, this seems to affect a very small subset of hardware and thus does not qualify for blocker status. However, a well-tested fix would be considered past freeze (tflink, 16:32:35) * (860668) artifacts on xrestart with rv710 (tflink, 16:34:14) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=860668 (tflink, 16:34:15) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 16:34:15) * AGREED: 860668 - RejectedBlocker, RejectedNTH - There is only one reporter on this bug and it doesn't prevent booting of the system. This doesn't appear to be widespread enough to justify blocker status. This could be fixed with an update, therefore it does not qualify as NTH. (tflink, 16:39:33) * (860712) [6550D SUMO] problems with second monitor on VGA, causing GPU lockups (tflink, 16:39:40) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=860712 (tflink, 16:39:43) * Proposed Blocker, ASSIGNED (tflink, 16:39:45) * AGREED: 860712 - RejectedBlocker - This does not affect enough hardware to qualify as a blocker, has reasonable workarounds (unplug second monitor) and could be fixed with an update (at least from console) (tflink, 16:49:23) * (752613) Nivida 100M on Lenovo W520 Wont boot if using Discrete Graphics (tflink, 16:49:34) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=752613 (tflink, 16:49:37) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 16:49:40) * AGREED: 752613 - RejectedBlocker, AcceptedNTH - This does not affect enough hardware to qualify as a blocker for F18 beta. However, it is an X showstopper for some and thus, a tested fix would be considered for pulling in past freeze. (tflink, 17:06:16) * (855560) F18 Live Alpha : nVidia GeForce 8600M GT, graphic driver (nouveau): very poor performance (vesa is fluid) (tflink, 17:06:25) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=855560 (tflink, 17:06:28) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 17:06:31) * AGREED: 855560 - We need more information about potential workarounds and kernel versions before making a decision on blocker status. Will revisit at a later meeting. (tflink, 17:14:15) * (860477) nouveau Xorg crash following boot (GTX 580) (tflink, 17:14:26) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=860477 (tflink, 17:14:26) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 17:14:26) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=861646 (Martix, 17:24:37) * AGREED: 860477 - RejectedBlocker, AcceptedNTH - While severe, this appears to affect a small minority of hardware at the moment and thus does not qualify as a blocker for F18 beta. However, it is an X showstopper and thus qualifies as NTH. (tflink, 17:28:53) * (860624) Gnome-shall hangs when requested activities (tflink, 17:29:03) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=860624 (tflink, 17:29:03) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 17:29:03) * AGREED: 860624 - RejectedBlocker - This doesn't clearly violate any of the F18 beta release criteria and there are few reporters. Thus, it doesn't qualify as a blocker for F18 beta (tflink, 17:39:22) * (745202) gnome-shell does not display correctly with NV3x adapters - multicolor corruption of panel, Shell-style menus and text [nvfx] (tflink, 17:39:39) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=745202 (tflink, 17:39:41) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 17:39:44) * adamw to pull together an info request to figure out if the blacklist is indeed broken (tflink, 17:46:52) * AGREED: 745202 - We need more information on this bug before deciding on blocker status. If the blacklist is indeed broken for F18, this would qualify as a blocker (tflink, 17:46:57) * (844167) Error in PREIN scriptlet in rpm package libvirt-daemon-0.9.11.4-3.fc17.x86_64 (tflink, 17:47:17) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=844167 (tflink, 17:47:20) * Proposed Blocker, ASSIGNED (tflink, 17:47:23) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=844167 , where prein scripts that create users fail when run with f17 selinux-policy . (adamw, 17:55:43) * AGREED: 844167 - We need to test with the new upgrade tool before making a decision on blocker status. Will re-visit at a later date (tflink, 17:57:58) * (861646) Sporadic GPU Lockups when Fast User Switching (tflink, 17:58:16) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=861646 (tflink, 17:58:16) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 17:58:17) * AGREED: - RejectedBlocker - This doesn't clearly hit any of the F18 beta release requirements and at the moment, seems to be limited to a small subset of hardware. Thus, rejected as a blocker for F18 beta (tflink, 18:02:26) * (861746) GDM login screen artefacts and corruption with Geforce 210 (tflink, 18:02:36) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=861746 (tflink, 18:02:36) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 18:02:36) * AGREED: 861746 - RejectedBlocker - This doesn't clearly hit any of the F18 beta release requirements and at the moment, seems to be limited to a small subset of hardware. Thus, rejected as a blocker for F18 beta. (tflink, 18:04:08) * (858837) ATI Mobility Radeon X1350 doesn't boot LiveCD (tflink, 18:04:17) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=858837 (tflink, 18:04:17) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 18:04:17) * AGREED: 858837 - RejectedBlocker - This doesn't clearly hit any of the F18 beta release requirements and at the moment, seems to be limited to a small subset of hardware. Thus, rejected as a blocker for F18 beta. (tflink, 18:08:24) * (862742) TypeError: coercing to Unicode: need string or buffer, NoneType found (tflink, 18:08:38) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=862742 (tflink, 18:08:41) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 18:08:43) * AGREED: 862742 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "The installer must be able to complete an installation using automatic partitioning to any sufficiently large target disk, whether unformatted, empty, or containing any kind of existing data" (tflink, 18:14:13) * (862925) kernel: radeon 0000:01:05.0: GPU lockup CP stall for more than 10000msec (tflink, 18:14:29) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=862925 (tflink, 18:14:33) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 18:14:35) * AGREED: 862925 - RejectedBlocker - This doesn't appear to affect enough hardware to qualify as a blocker for F18 beta. Thus, rejected as a blocker for F18 beta. (tflink, 18:20:21) * (862537) Fedora 18 Beta TC1 DVD fails to boot (tflink, 18:20:31) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=862537 (tflink, 18:20:31) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 18:20:31) * AGREED: 862537 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "The installer must boot (if appropriate) and run on all primary architectures, with all system firmware types that are common on those architectures, from default live image, DVD, and boot.iso install media when written to an optical disc and when written to a USB stick with at least one of the officially supported methods" (tflink, 18:24:41) * (853508) PXE-install won't boot (tflink, 18:24:48) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=853508 (tflink, 18:24:48) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 18:24:48) * AGREED: 853508 - This needs more testing before deciding on blocker status. PXE has been reported as working for F18 beta TC1, request retesting from the reporter to determine more details on what, if anything, is still broken (tflink, 18:29:07) * (824191) nfsiso install hangs during reboot (tflink, 18:35:25) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=824191 (tflink, 18:35:25) * Accepted Blocker, NEW (tflink, 18:35:25) * no movement on this since 20120706 (tflink, 18:37:02) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=862996 (adamw, 18:37:04) * this really needs re-testing to determine whether it has been fixed or if there are new issues (tflink, 18:38:01) * 862996 could be related but that is PXE/nfsiso combined. Would prefer to see retesting with just NFSISO (tflink, 18:38:38) * (853877) anaconda ignores language / keyboard settings (tflink, 18:39:16) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=853877 (tflink, 18:39:16) * Accepted Blocker, NEW (tflink, 18:39:16) * there has been no movement on this since 2012-09-13 (tflink, 18:41:20) * we need status from anaconda devs for this bug (tflink, 18:41:36) * (855526) f18a tc6 anaconda cannot connect to a protected wireless network (tflink, 18:42:49) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=855526 (tflink, 18:42:51) * Accepted Blocker, NEW (tflink, 18:42:54) * there has been no movement on this since 2012-09-23 (tflink, 18:43:30) * it would be good to see re-testing with beta TC2 if there have been changes in networking config in the installer (tflink, 18:44:46) * (855849) could not UEFI boot F18 Alpha (TC6 through RC3) DVD or netinst written to optical disc or dd'ed to USB: /dev/root does not exist (tflink, 18:45:01) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=855849 (tflink, 18:45:04) * Accepted Blocker, VERIFIED (tflink, 18:45:07) * this has been VERIFIED, waiting for push to stable (tflink, 18:45:40) * (849707) AttributeError: 'BTRFSVolumeDevice' object has no attribute 'isMagic' (tflink, 18:45:50) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=849707 (tflink, 18:45:53) * Accepted Blocker, ON_QA (tflink, 18:45:56) * reported to be fixed, only to hit another BTRFS related bug (tflink, 18:46:46) * set to VERIFIED, will be closed when next anaconda is pushed to stable (tflink, 18:47:06) * (856225) PackageKit can't import Fedora GPG key (tflink, 18:47:19) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=856225 (tflink, 18:47:19) * Accepted Blocker, VERIFIED (tflink, 18:48:15) * fix has been VERIFIED, will be closed when rpm build with fix is pushed to stable (tflink, 18:48:37) * (859285) initrd is used in grub2 for efi system (initrdefi should be used) (tflink, 18:48:48) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=859285 (tflink, 18:48:51) * Accepted Blocker, MODIFIED (tflink, 18:48:54) * this has been reported to be fixed by the original reporter - move to VERIFIED (tflink, 18:50:24) * open floor (tflink, 18:55:14) * next blocker review meeting will be 2012-10-10 @ 16:00 UTC in #fedora-qa (tflink, 19:01:36) Meeting ended at 19:02:14 UTC. 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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2012-10-04)
by Kevin Fenzi 04 Oct '12

04 Oct '12

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2012-10-04) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 18:01:33 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-10-04/infrastructure.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Aloha! (nirik, 18:01:34) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks (nirik, 18:04:22) * Applications Maint/Development status / discussion (nirik, 18:09:11) * LINK: https://209.132.184.101/election - http://209.132.184.101/fedocal (pingou, 18:11:08) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3495 (nirik, 18:26:53) * Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 18:29:03) * Private Cloud status update (nirik, 18:34:27) * Security FAD update (nirik, 18:42:49) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 18:47:57) * 2012-10-08 purge inactive fi-apprentices (nirik, 18:48:12) * 2012-10-08 - announce smolt retirement (nirik, 18:48:12) * 2012-10-09 to 2012-10-23 F18 Beta Freeze (nirik, 18:48:12) * 2012-10-23 F18 Beta release (nirik, 18:48:12) * 2012-11-01 nag fi-apprentices (nirik, 18:48:12) * 2012-11-07 - switch smolt server to placeholder code. (nirik, 18:48:13) * 2012-11-13 to 2012-11-27 F18 Final Freeze (nirik, 18:48:14) * 2012-11-20 FY2014 budget due (nirik, 18:48:16) * 2012-11-22 to 2012-11-23 Thanksgiving holiday (nirik, 18:48:18) * 2012-11-26 to 2012-11-29 Security FAD (nirik, 18:48:20) * 2012-11-27 F18 release. (nirik, 18:48:22) * 2012-11-30 end of 3nd quarter (nirik, 18:48:24) * 2012-12-24 to 2013-01-01 Red Hat Shutdown for holidays. (nirik, 18:48:28) * 2013-01-18 to 2013-01-20 FUDCON Lawrence (nirik, 18:48:30) * Open Floor (nirik, 18:49:23) Meeting ended at 18:51:53 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (103) * skvidal (42) * pingou (35) * abadger1999 (31) * smooge (18) * lmacken (15) * akshaysth (6) * zodbot (6) * threebean (6) * miguelcnf (4) * jds2001 (2) * Southern_Gentlem (1) * _love_hurts_ (1) * dgilmore (1) * ricky (0) * mdomsch (0) * CodeBlock (0) -- 18:01:33 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2012-10-04) 18:01:33 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Oct 4 18:01:33 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:01:33 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:01:34 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 18:01:34 <nirik> #topic Aloha! 18:01:34 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean 18:01:34 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 18:01:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge threebean 18:01:43 * skvidal is here 18:01:44 <smooge> here 18:01:58 <miguelcnf> hello 18:02:05 * nirik will wait a few for folks to wander in. 18:02:07 * lmacken 18:02:10 * jds2001 18:02:18 <dgilmore> hey 18:02:53 <Southern_Gentlem> it was good to work with CodeBlock at OLF 18:02:56 * threebean 18:03:09 <akshaysth> /me is here 18:03:20 * akshaysth is here 18:04:15 * pingou 18:04:19 <nirik> ok, lets go ahead and dive on in... 18:04:22 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks 18:04:33 <miguelcnf> well may I? 18:04:35 <nirik> any new folks want to introduce themselves, or apprentices have questions or comments? 18:04:40 <nirik> miguelcnf: go ahead. ;) 18:05:54 * _love_hurts_ late here 18:06:03 <nirik> no worries. 18:06:39 <miguelcnf> allright... so the name is Miguel and I'm from Portugal. As I've wrote to the list I've recently been working with l10n pt team and now I'm looking to help out the infrastructure team. I'm a system engineer and work with red hat/centos on a daily basis. It would be great if someone could invite me to the fi-apprentice group so I could start poking around and hopefully get some easyfix work. And I think thats pretty much it... Hi! 18:06:47 * abadger1999 here 18:07:06 <akshaysth> miguelcnf: welcome! :) 18:07:09 <nirik> miguelcnf: welcome! I can add you to that group after the meeting... just see me in #fedora-admin 18:07:22 <miguelcnf> cool thanks guys 18:07:44 <nirik> excellent. 18:07:48 <akshaysth> not much of an update here but am still working on ticket 3293 18:07:51 <akshaysth> .ticket 3293 18:07:55 <zodbot> akshaysth: #3293 ([easyfix] add staging monitoring script) – Fedora Infrastructure - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3293 18:08:02 <nirik> cool. 18:08:19 <akshaysth> still trying to figure out how to get the diffs to show correctly when being emailed 18:08:22 <nirik> Hopefully most of our staging changes will be gone before we go into the next freeze, but there will be more piling up I'm sure. 18:08:30 * nirik nods. 18:08:46 <nirik> ok, any other apprentice questions or new folks? 18:09:08 <nirik> ok, moving on... 18:09:11 <nirik> #topic Applications Maint/Development status / discussion 18:09:37 <nirik> any new application devel / maint news this week? 18:10:00 <threebean> working on datanommer in stg now. should be good to go by the end of the day. 18:10:19 <nirik> threebean: and hopefully we land that in prod before next tuesday? 18:10:35 <pingou> I got a running version of a) fedocal b) election 18:10:40 <threebean> I'd really like to. If its not possible, in the short time, that's cool. 18:10:52 * lmacken has been doing a lot of fedmsg hacking this week, mostly client side stuff though 18:11:01 <nirik> well, happy to help try and do so... we can see. :) 18:11:01 <abadger1999> pingou: also got some jenkins nodes running in the euca cloud. 18:11:02 <threebean> lmacken++ 18:11:08 <pingou> https://209.132.184.101/election - http://209.132.184.101/fedocal 18:11:21 <lmacken> oh yeah, the new jenkins slaves are awesome. http://jenkins.turbogears.org 18:11:24 <abadger1999> err -- "pingou also got" 18:11:33 <abadger1999> :-) 18:11:41 <smooge> what is fedocal? 18:11:42 <pingou> we have an EL6 and a F17 nodes running jenkins 18:11:47 <lmacken> still have to hook a bunch of projects into them, but it'll let us test everything across py2.4 - 3.x 18:11:49 <pingou> smooge: fedora calendar :) 18:11:50 <threebean> pingou: looks really clean 18:12:07 <nirik> there was talk about a python build instance a while back... would that be similar to this jenkins thing? 18:12:13 <smooge> pingou, thanks 18:12:14 <skvidal> pingou: I have a new el6 img I'd like to test - but if what you have is working we can just leave it alone :) 18:12:15 <abadger1999> nirik: yes it would 18:12:16 <pingou> wrt jenkins the question is, do we want to run our own master in the longer term 18:12:35 <lmacken> right now the master is run by me on a RH box at RIT 18:12:44 <jds2001> jenkins is some CI thing, right? 18:12:51 * nirik would like a sop on jenkins setup... and playbooks to do it, so we could easily redo it. 18:12:53 <abadger1999> nirik: Talk to dmalcolm about it -- I'm pretty sure it's different software so it might require more than just ssh access on the build-nodes. 18:12:54 <pingou> skvidal: it's not really working, it complains about the small space available on / 18:13:06 <pingou> jds2001: yes 18:13:15 <abadger1999> I think a master would be good if we want this to be something we do long term. 18:13:18 <lmacken> if we want to give it a proper host, I'm totally down for that. It's all dead simple for me to keep this one up (as long as the power on computer science house stays on) 18:13:21 <nirik> .ticket 1717 18:13:23 <zodbot> nirik: #1717 (buildbot for upstream python code) – Fedora Infrastructure - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1717 18:13:34 <skvidal> pingou: okay - then we'll talk after the meeting 18:13:54 <pingou> nirik: I have a "sop" for the nodes, it's dead simple 18:13:59 <abadger1999> Having a third-party master with a password to login to our boxes doesn't seem quite right for something we want to keep tight control of. 18:14:06 <pingou> nirik: for the master I'd need to do more testing 18:14:34 * nirik thinks it would be good to run the master too if we can... because we might want to script this for other projects to, or reuse it for them or the like. 18:14:42 <pingou> I'm thinking, master in a vm "bare-metal" and nodes on the clouds as we want/need 18:14:52 <pingou> skvidal: was offering to use ansible to deploy them 18:14:56 <lmacken> if we could get fas login to jenkins that would be nice 18:15:07 <pingou> lmacken: euh.. :D 18:15:30 <skvidal> pingou: we can write a playbook very easily if you have the steps you took to install it recorded somewhere 18:15:32 <pingou> abadger1999: note that we can use ssh keys, it just that I don't have a login on the master box 18:15:35 <skvidal> pingou: can you send me your notes? 18:15:51 <pingou> skvidal: http://www.fpaste.org/siAm/ 18:15:54 <abadger1999> It would be both exciting and... somewhat scarey to support this for more people, I think. 18:16:21 <nirik> yeah, we don't want to bite off too much, but I think it would be perhaps a nice feature/thing. 18:16:23 <pingou> skvidal: most of the things are due to FedoraReview which requires quite some packages to be installed (mock, rpmlint...) 18:16:23 <skvidal> abadger1999: do we want to stick all of it on instances in the cloudlets and just reroll it all the time? 18:16:57 <abadger1999> skvidal: definitely for the build nodes. For the master we might want to be more formal about it. 18:16:57 <pingou> threebean: thanks bwt :) 18:17:06 <abadger1999> skvidal: I think pingou had some ideas. 18:17:11 <threebean> :) 18:17:15 <skvidal> abadger1999: cool. 18:17:33 <skvidal> abadger1999, pingou: let me know what I can do to facilitate the systems creation/[re]deployment 18:17:46 <pingou> skvidal: ansible for the nodes sounds really nice 18:17:48 <skvidal> despite what you've heard I can be helpful at times ;) 18:17:48 <nirik> I don't know that I would want to run master nodes in our regular internal net unless we are sure they are safe to do so... also is everything packaged? I think no? 18:17:53 <pingou> for the master, I need to set one up 18:18:10 <pingou> nirik: indeed, it is not 18:18:26 <pingou> nirik: not a problem for the nodes (jenkins adds its stuff on the nodes) but it will be for the master 18:18:32 <abadger1999> nirik: jenkins isn't packaged -- on the jenkins.tg.o master, I think we started with the upstream rpm and then have been using the application's update feature since then 18:18:33 <nirik> right 18:18:53 <lmacken> abadger1999: jenkins.tg.o == java -jar 18:18:54 <abadger1999> we would definitely want backup of the master 18:19:03 <pingou> nirik: upstream provides and rpm and a repo 18:19:06 <abadger1999> lmacken: k 18:19:29 <abadger1999> must be the jenkins server I expermineted with at home that started with the upstream rpm. 18:19:35 <pingou> lmacken: which is what the init script in the rpm do ;) 18:20:02 <lmacken> pingou: oh, nice :) 18:20:28 <nirik> so, I'd say lets keep discussing things and see what all we need and where would be good to have it... but not advertize or promise anything now. ;) 18:20:32 <pingou> lmacken: the rpm is just a big .jar and an init script, files are then extracted the first time you load it 18:20:37 <lmacken> I setup that instance at pycon like 3 or 4 years ago, and really haven't had to mess with it much since. 18:20:40 <nirik> perhaps a thread on the mailing list on it would be good for some general discussion 18:20:46 <lmacken> I do the auto upgrades every few weeks, and it's been very smooth 18:20:48 <abadger1999> lmacken, pingou: Can we prevent the master from running any build jobs on itself? 18:20:54 <pingou> nirik: imho, this is/should be infra restricted 18:21:00 <abadger1999> that would make it safer to keep the master around. 18:21:01 <lmacken> abadger1999: yeah, I think so. and go purely with slaves 18:21:05 <abadger1999> Cool. 18:21:31 <nirik> pingou: to start with for sure. 18:22:08 <nirik> so, lets explore some more and discuss... 18:22:17 <pingou> abadger1999: seems yes, not true for the nodes though (for obvious reason) 18:23:20 <nirik> any other applications news this week? hows the fas and pkgdb releases looking? ;) 18:23:41 * pingou wouldn't mind feedback on fedocal 18:23:55 <pingou> note: I put sysadmin-web as admin of fedocal 18:24:02 <nirik> pingou: I've been meaning to play with it, but haven't gotten the time. 18:24:05 <abadger1999> I'm pretty sure I can get pkgdb out before freeze. 18:24:13 <pingou> nirik: ok thanks :) 18:24:17 <smooge> what is the url? 18:24:30 <pingou> smooge: https://209.132.184.101//fedocal 18:24:32 <nirik> abadger1999: that would be good. 18:24:46 <abadger1999> there are some changes to production that I'm trying to track down and make sure they are applied in the repo first. 18:25:15 <smooge> that calender is too sethie for this world :) 18:25:22 <abadger1999> fas CodeBlock's been handling but everything I've seen looks like it's on track for going to prod too. 18:25:30 <nirik> excellent. 18:25:42 <nirik> oh, one other app news: I disabled raffle in production. 18:25:55 <skvidal> how about smolt? disabled, too? 18:25:56 <nirik> we were not using it and I wanted to rule it out of our httpd issues. 18:26:20 <nirik> skvidal: I think we have a timetable for smolt... going to announce that in a few days. 18:26:23 <abadger1999> Has disabling that changed things yet? 18:26:28 <skvidal> nirik: cool 18:26:36 <nirik> abadger1999: it's not died since then, but it is very sporadic. 18:26:47 <abadger1999> okay. 18:26:53 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3495 18:27:02 <nirik> if anyone has debugging ideas or thoughts on that ^ 18:27:12 <abadger1999> If thatturns out to be it... we'll have to think about how we deploy things in the future. 18:27:16 <nirik> it's anoying and I want to track it down and fix it. 18:27:32 <nirik> yeah, less mixing things on general app servers, more specific application servers. 18:27:41 <abadger1999> might be we'll need to keep tg2 stuff separated from tg1 stuff. 18:27:47 <abadger1999> <nod> 18:28:09 <abadger1999> that's even better (from a developer pov) :-) 18:28:25 <nirik> yeah, we kinda started moving to that with packages/tagger... 18:28:41 <abadger1999> <nod> although packages and tagger are on the same host. 18:28:58 <nirik> well, hosts, but yeah... since they were somewhat intertwined. 18:29:03 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 18:29:15 <lmacken> abadger1999: packags & tagger are also in the same puppet module :\ 18:29:15 <nirik> so, we completed a mass reboot this week... went pretty smoothly. 18:29:27 <nirik> skvidal reinstalled all our builders. 18:29:34 <abadger1999> lmacken: :-( That is something to look at cleaning up. 18:29:46 <lmacken> abadger1999: yup, packags also has legacy community stuff in it too :P 18:30:09 <nirik> smooge: whats the status on new boxes? hopefully soonish? 18:30:16 <abadger1999> lmacken: File an easyfix ticket for separating those three? (It's all puppet so a lot could be cargo culted by a relatively new person) 18:30:20 <smooge> sean got the new keys. 18:30:35 <lmacken> abadger1999: will do 18:30:35 <smooge> so someone can configure virthost12 at the moment 18:30:43 <skvidal> nirik: and releng01, too 18:30:56 <smooge> I am working my way through the new IMM UI and key activation for the bkernel boxes 18:30:58 <nirik> skvidal: oh yeah. which is working fine. ;) 18:31:02 <skvidal> nirik: excellent 18:31:12 <skvidal> nirik: when/how do we want to move the rest of the releng infra? 18:31:37 <nirik> skvidal: I'd like to wait until we have the private/public setup and everything more organized. 18:31:48 <smooge> I hope to have bkernel01/bkernel02 up later today 18:32:07 <smooge> ousosl02 is waiting on network fixes on their side 18:32:17 <smooge> but I got a sort of install sort of working 18:32:20 <skvidal> nirik: understood 18:32:43 <nirik> skvidal: so, perhaps we get that all figured and we can start doing more after beta goes out. 18:32:53 <skvidal> nirik: not a problem 18:32:53 <smooge> does that cover it or am I talking over another conversation? 18:32:54 <skvidal> I concur 18:32:59 <nirik> smooge: sounds good. 18:33:09 <nirik> I think thats all the new machines accounted for. 18:33:18 <smooge> yep 18:33:42 <nirik> ok, any other new or upcoming sysadmin side stuff? 18:34:24 <nirik> moving on... 18:34:27 <nirik> #topic Private Cloud status update 18:34:36 <skvidal> we have clouds 18:34:39 <skvidal> and they are private 18:34:41 <skvidal> w00t 18:34:46 * skvidal wants his on private sun 18:34:54 <skvidal> maybe a private snowstorm or tornado 18:35:06 <nirik> heh 18:35:07 <pingou> but not too often 18:35:16 <pingou> and we have jenkins nodes on the cloud 18:35:16 <skvidal> we've been using/abusing the cloudlets in the last week 18:35:24 <nirik> so, the openstack cloud has a glusterfs backend... it seems like it's not very fast. ;( 18:35:26 <skvidal> and found places where both cloudlets are suboptimal 18:36:08 <skvidal> euca 3.1.2 is out - I'm going to see how well the cloud fares with an upgrade while running :) 18:36:18 <skvidal> nirik: what's the folsom timeline? 18:36:35 <nirik> I'm not sure... will be a bit longer for rhel packages I think. 18:36:49 <nirik> I'll try and find out. 18:36:56 <skvidal> nirik: cool 18:37:09 <nirik> we could also drop the gluster backend and see how that changes performance. I think reasonably easily. 18:37:35 <skvidal> nirik: but then we lose live migrate, right? 18:37:47 <nirik> yeah 18:37:48 <skvidal> nirik: can we tug the netapp in there via iscsi? 18:37:51 <nirik> and have less overall space 18:38:00 <nirik> ha ha ha ha. 18:38:07 <skvidal> nirik: :) 18:38:30 <nirik> we will have some more storage options there if our vfilers show up and work as we would hope... 18:39:09 <nirik> anyhow, lets keep testing and poking at them... 18:39:16 <skvidal> I concur 18:39:28 <skvidal> nirik: things we need to think about with the clouds 18:39:36 <skvidal> - long term HA 18:39:40 <skvidal> - medium term - backups 18:39:55 <nirik> monitoring 18:39:56 <skvidal> - medium/short - AuthN/AuthZ 18:40:41 <skvidal> nirik: agreed 18:40:55 <smooge> I hear ldap 18:41:54 <nirik> there's lots of cute things we could do to make them more nifty for people too on setup... ie, could we have a fas group(s) setup for ssh, a automatic git repo setup to save off data, etc. 18:42:38 <nirik> anyhow, lets keep poking at them... 18:42:49 <nirik> #topic Security FAD update 18:43:12 <nirik> So, some progress on this... we have a conference room reserved now in the tower. 18:43:26 <nirik> we need to gather final numbers and run it by numbers people. 18:44:07 <nirik> we should also ping people one last time... make sure they can or cannot make it or ask people who are important to the goal. 18:44:47 <nirik> so, I will send to the list, and ping folks, and we will send out budget request monday? 18:44:56 <nirik> anything else we should plan on this? 18:45:08 <abadger1999> wfm 18:45:28 <smooge> wfm 18:46:06 <smooge> I am trying to figure out if I can fly out early to SC see my parents, drive up for the FAD and then leave from SC. The flights were actually cheaper that way... but have to find out if I can borrow one of the parents cars 18:46:10 <nirik> the fad faq thing suggests we should also plan some activities/etc... perhaps we could tour skvidal's bike collection. ;) 18:46:36 <skvidal> nirik: I took a survey... no one likes you 18:46:37 <skvidal> :) 18:46:49 <nirik> ha. 18:46:51 <smooge> hey his bike shed is better off than some of our houses 18:47:01 <pingou> skvidal: all the one personn you asked agreed ? 18:47:05 <smooge> skvidal, got to that line in Portal2 again last night 18:47:06 <skvidal> pingou: yep 18:47:09 <nirik> anyhow... anything else on this? or shall we move on? 18:47:21 <pingou> nirik: skvidal 18:47:30 <pingou> nirik: skvidal's bike collection or the bike shed itself ? :) 18:47:41 <skvidal> pingou: I have lots of various colors of paint 18:47:42 <skvidal> for the shed 18:47:45 <skvidal> cmon down 18:47:57 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 18:48:10 <nirik> get ready for flood. ;) 18:48:12 <nirik> #info 2012-10-08 purge inactive fi-apprentices 18:48:12 <nirik> #info 2012-10-08 - announce smolt retirement 18:48:12 <nirik> #info 2012-10-09 to 2012-10-23 F18 Beta Freeze 18:48:12 <nirik> #info 2012-10-23 F18 Beta release 18:48:12 <nirik> #info 2012-11-01 nag fi-apprentices 18:48:13 <nirik> #info 2012-11-07 - switch smolt server to placeholder code. 18:48:14 <nirik> #info 2012-11-13 to 2012-11-27 F18 Final Freeze 18:48:16 <nirik> #info 2012-11-20 FY2014 budget due 18:48:18 <nirik> #info 2012-11-22 to 2012-11-23 Thanksgiving holiday 18:48:20 <nirik> #info 2012-11-26 to 2012-11-29 Security FAD 18:48:22 <nirik> #info 2012-11-27 F18 release. 18:48:24 <nirik> #info 2012-11-30 end of 3nd quarter 18:48:28 <nirik> #info 2012-12-24 to 2013-01-01 Red Hat Shutdown for holidays. 18:48:30 <nirik> #info 2013-01-18 to 2013-01-20 FUDCON Lawrence 18:48:32 <nirik> anything else we should note or schedule? 18:48:39 * nirik will try putting this into fedcal. ;) 18:49:23 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 18:49:29 <nirik> Any items for open floor? 18:50:27 * nirik will close out the meeting in a minute if nothing more. 18:51:51 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone. 18:51:53 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Summary/Minutes from today's irc-support-sig meeting (2012-10-04)
by Kevin Fenzi 04 Oct '12

04 Oct '12

============================================= #fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2012-10-04) ============================================= Meeting started by nirik at 17:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-10-04/irc-support-sig.… . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (nirik, 17:00:01) * Week in review (nirik, 17:03:50) * LINK: http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html (nirik, 17:03:51) * ticket 130 User [R] belligerent (nirik, 17:05:05) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/130 (nirik, 17:05:05) * ticket 129 Great help on cleaning up the distribution after an upgrade (nirik, 17:07:14) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/129 (nirik, 17:07:14) * Open Floor (nirik, 17:08:37) Meeting ended at 17:11:08 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (28) * Discordian (10) * zodbot (3) -- 17:00:00 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2012-10-04) 17:00:00 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Oct 4 17:00:00 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:00 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig 17:00:01 <nirik> #topic init process 17:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 17:00:08 <nirik> who all is around for an irc support sig meeting? 17:00:15 * Discordian is 17:01:48 <nirik> cool. lets wait another minute or two for others to wander in. 17:01:56 <Discordian> Okay 17:03:41 <nirik> alright then... lets go ahead. 17:03:50 <nirik> #topic Week in review 17:03:51 <nirik> http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html 17:04:08 <nirik> anything new or exciting this last week? 17:04:14 <nirik> seemed pretty typical to me. 17:04:14 <Discordian> Looks like a quiet week 17:04:45 <nirik> yeah 17:05:05 <nirik> #topic ticket 130 User [R] belligerent 17:05:05 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/130 17:05:31 <nirik> I added my thoughts there. I didn't really see what they were talking about... 17:05:56 <Discordian> I see mostly netsplits 17:06:10 <Discordian> Which is always confusing 17:06:26 <nirik> yeah 17:06:43 <nirik> so, I'm fine with closing this one. 17:06:49 <Discordian> I can't see any actual discussion between them. 17:06:52 <nirik> yeah 17:07:14 <nirik> #topic ticket 129 Great help on cleaning up the distribution after an upgrade 17:07:14 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/129 17:07:25 <nirik> kudos to BobJensen and fenrus02 17:07:31 <Discordian> Kudos to both yes 17:07:51 <nirik> keep up the good work. Nice to get positive feedback from time to time. 17:08:37 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 17:08:43 <nirik> any items for open floor? 17:09:05 <Discordian> Sorry about that 17:09:29 <nirik> no worries. ;) 17:09:34 <nirik> You have anything for open floor Discordian ? 17:09:45 <Discordian> Not this week no 17:10:26 <nirik> cool, so lets call it a short meeting then... ;) 17:10:29 <nirik> thanks for coming. 17:10:34 <Discordian> Thanks 17:11:08 <nirik> #endmeeting

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i18n meeting summary (2012-10-04)
by Akira TAGOH 04 Oct '12

04 Oct '12

===================== #fedora-meeting: i18n ===================== Meeting started by tagoh_ at 06:01:44 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-10-04/i18n.2012-10-04-… . Meeting summary --------------- * agenda and roll call (tagoh_, 06:01:45) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2012-10-04 (tagoh_, 06:01:46) * Upcoming schedule (tagoh_, 06:05:55) * 2012-10-09 Beta Change Deadline (tagoh_, 06:05:56) * 2012-10-09 Features 100% Complete (tagoh_, 06:05:56) * 2012-10-23 Beta Release (tagoh_, 06:05:56) * 2012-11-12 Final Change Deadline (tagoh_, 06:05:56) * Outstanding topics (tagoh_, 06:06:46) * #1: FEAT: GNOME IBus Integration (fujiwara) (tagoh_, 06:06:46) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/1 (tagoh_, 06:06:46) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GNOMEIBusIntegration (tagoh_, 06:07:10) * LINK: http://bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=225737 (fujiwarat, 06:20:54) * LINK: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685457 (fujiwarat, 06:22:33) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Indic (juhp, 06:33:12) * AGREED: deal with migration for configuration and initial setup for shortcut key and default IMEs as bug fixes (tagoh_, 06:48:33) * New topics (tagoh_, 06:49:08) * #7: ibus configuration migration on upgrading (tagoh) (tagoh_, 06:49:08) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/7 (tagoh_, 06:49:08) * Open Floor (tagoh_, 06:49:23) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=858591 (tagoh_, 06:51:02) * LINK: http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/ (tagoh_, 07:02:13) Meeting ended at 07:04:12 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tagoh_ (70) * juhp (66) * fujiwarat (30) * mfabian (7) * anish_ (7) * paragn (4) * pravin_s (3) * zodbot (3) * dueno (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Minutas de la Reunión [03-10-2012]
by Abdel Gadiel Martínez Lassonde 03 Oct '12

03 Oct '12

Saludos a todos. A continuación los logs de la reunión de hoy. <zodbot> Meeting ended Wed Oct 3 21:27:11 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . <zodbot> Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-latam/2012-10-03/fedora-latam.2012-… <zodbot> Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-latam/2012-10-03/fedora-latam.2012-… <zodbot> Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-latam/2012-10-03/fedora-latam.2012-… Cualquier consulta estamos a la orden. -- *Abdel G. Martínez L.* *Oracle IT Architecture Certified Specialist | **OCP, Java SE 6 | **OCA, Oracle Weblogic 11g | OCA Java SE 5 & 6 * * Fedora Project Contributor*

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Fedora ARM weekly status meeting minutes 2012-10-03
by Paul Whalen 03 Oct '12

03 Oct '12

Good day all, Thanks to those who were able to join us for the weekly status meeting today. For those that were unable, the minutes are posted below: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-10-03/fedora-meeting… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-10-03/fedora-meeting… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-10-03/fedora-meeting… Paul

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Fedora Board Recap 2012-10-03
by Eric Christensen 03 Oct '12

03 Oct '12

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Board_meeting_2012-10-03 == Attendees == === Present === * Eric Christensen * John Rose * Robyn Bergeron * Toshio Kuratomi * Garrett Holmstrom * Peter Robinson * Christoph Wickert * Nick Bebout * David Nalley === Absent === * Jaroslav Reznik == Announcements == * Secure boot update: ** releng changes are being worked on by the Feature Owners * FUDCon Paris will be in progress next week. * Next meeting: IRC, 2012-10-11 == CWG - potential nominees, etc. ticket 145 == * Toshio will be contacting the nominees as submitted on the ticket, asking if they're even interested in participating. == #147: Approve logo use for GitHub organization "fedora-openstack" == * Similar to the fedora-jboss-as project on github that we did grant * Is this a RH project or is this more of a Fedora-community project? * Why not fedorahosted? (what does github provide) * What about this makes it a Fedora effort? ** For example, is this being talked about with the Fedora Cloud SIG? ** Are the Fedora packagers currently working on packaging Openstack involved? * Also a desire to make generic TM guidelines for using the trademark in github projects == #146: Fedora 19 Naming process - update == * Schedule -- Bump submission to legal back a week [DATE] * Make the vetting process more public this time? * We'll have a week for the Board to vet this time. So procedure: ** We'll divide up the list at one Board Meeting and work on it that week. ** if we have no questions when we vet => move to a new table of vetted names ** if we do have questions or don't get to it => leave on the original table ** On the Board meeting day, we'll vet any names that are still in the original table as a group == #144: Hidden Private Builds == * Would be an incredible amount of work to make Koji work with a new process allowing public/private builds. * No philosophical problem with having private builds where the source and binary packages are subsequently made public at the same time * Some would like to limit to CVE/Security embargoed items * Proposal: The Board has no philosophical issue with private builds for security embargoes. If someone is willing to work with infrastructure and releng to do it, that's fine. To be clear, the Board is not requiring that infra and releng work on this -- someone needs to work with them if they want it. ** Conditions: When the build is released, both source and binary must go out at the same time ** Some Fedora group will need to have the ability to approve that a specific package can make private builds for a certain issue. The ability to create the private builds should not be for every packager. == #141: Voting on board issues & transparency - back to the drawing board? == * A new proposal will be added to the Trac ticket. == Possible discussion on new meeting time == * Only five people have submitted their availability. * http://whenisgood.net/3a7a9nz/results/j5iw9i * Submit your availability at http://whenisgood.net/3a7a9nz * DST: Oct 28 (EU); Nov 4 (US) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Eric "Sparks" Christensen Fedora Project - https://fedoraproject.org Member of: * Fedora Board * Documentation Project Blog: https://sparkslinux.wordpress.com 097C 82C3 52DF C64A 50C2 E3A3 8076 ABDE 024B B3D1 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQbJ4KAAoJEIB2q94CS7PR7aUP/1rtXLiqMO0h/oN44rI+bgEu PkcA/wX2MZ8Hl+4yJP1yXK3W5XICdn4jlno0z4bTdQOAonkn5pOk/PBRaWPPlqtG 8p1aQ11pgjsGgQqxs2pCV4kLjzHYMsNq67izQEIGn7dTi9S+SAbwzSxKVOJbjc1C iWDRcosQg4onNHYrBLlHwARm9yaoy+YQeqN071dmFuk63qHjSquqUb/47OsMZ2Y6 Jyu8k+Ipo3R8iNeyys17vtQuUZ4YoM8M38EGpLNvZJGfMq2t4cRc/brNk7cW+dUA 462X37iopOrAkJiOVp4Sxy7utM/IAR9WSoeoberIzYZ8DDdsIH6CsY9a1eLB0o5F ozzzb4BR7mIOdt3Ud0oYPuptbQjyH+nbrJGZBe/Jwfw4/MLoDE4BtzlXXn5zRI7H 50UkezXDjys/giWnn4zFofqAgGrhI9AqYNYO4yb50y/zBodfIC7bmWUVzhdmFrmA +7IhAR2Fh4E8NQKG75UU7RH2ErU1Ij45kxa6ocfgEAU9uLoXTTM5sKN1+klUtT3n zU0dlrtN+dXMYs7jW60iqqnGG5e2OOwq2eegpw173U4s/zTCU9HRnjGhVEErsIpW oLQ4KS3/i18tDwoQWbsgr/zbC8g6M2zxnBbwaS6/2I+krU4CiKeWj7umIJDHTTJU 317h0gruBfZlIawCclS5 =9qzO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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F18 Beta Blocker Bug Review #2 Minutes
by Tim Flink 03 Oct '12

03 Oct '12

===================================== #fedora-qa: f18-beta-blocker-review-2 ===================================== We didn't get through all of the bugs up for review today and will be continuing the review tomorrow. Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-qa/2012-10-03/f18-beta-blocker-revi… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-qa/2012-10-03/f18-beta-blocker-revi… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-qa/2012-10-03/f18-beta-blocker-revi… Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (tflink, 16:01:00) * Introduction (tflink, 16:11:33) * Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. (tflink, 16:11:40) * We'll be following the process outlined at: (tflink, 16:11:48) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting (tflink, 16:11:49) * The bugs up for review today are available at: (tflink, 16:11:56) * LINK: http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current (tflink, 16:11:56) * The criteria for release blocking bugs can be found at: (tflink, 16:12:02) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Alpha_Release_Criteria (tflink, 16:12:02) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Beta_Release_Criteria (tflink, 16:12:02) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Final_Release_Criteria (tflink, 16:12:03) * 39 Proposed Blockers (tflink, 16:12:21) * 7 Accepted Blockers (tflink, 16:12:22) * 5 Proposed NTH (tflink, 16:12:22) * 4 Accepted NTH (tflink, 16:12:22) * (847831) kickstart boot fails (tflink, 16:14:37) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=847831 (tflink, 16:14:37) * Proposed Blocker, ASSIGNED (tflink, 16:14:37) * ACTION: tflink to investigate 847831 and poke anaconda devs if needed (tflink, 16:18:01) * AGREED: 847831 - We're still waiting for data on what exactly is broken here - will revisit once that data is available (tflink, 16:20:12) * (841451) polkitd doesn't start in F18/rawhide upgraded from F17 using yum due to failure to create polkitd user/group (tflink, 16:20:19) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=841451 (tflink, 16:20:23) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 16:20:25) * AGREED: (841451) - There has been no objection to closing this as a dupe of 844167 - close as a dupe (tflink, 16:29:30) * (847472) DM configuration migration on upgrade not working (tflink, 16:29:36) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=847472 (tflink, 16:29:37) * Proposed Blocker, ON_QA (tflink, 16:29:37) * AGREED: 847472 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 beta release criterion: "It must be possible to successfully complete an upgrade from a fully updated installation of the previous stable Fedora release with the 'minimal' package set or the package set for a release-blocking desktop, using any officially recommended upgrade mechanism. The upgraded system must meet all release criteria." (tflink, 16:37:23) * (855976) In F18 Alpha, 'automatic' partitioning simply wipes your entire disk without warning you first (tflink, 16:37:45) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=855976 (tflink, 16:37:48) * Proposed Blocker, MODIFIED (tflink, 16:37:50) * AGREED: 855976 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 beta release criterion: "The installer must be able to complete an installation using automatic partitioning to a validly-formatted disk with sufficient empty space, using the empty space and installing a bootloader but leaving the pre-existing partitions and data untouched" (tflink, 16:46:52) * (835648) kernel freeze after [drm] Initialized drm 1.1.0 20060810 on T520 with Quadro NVS 4200M (tflink, 16:47:28) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=835648 (tflink, 16:47:31) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 16:47:34) * AGREED: 835648 - RejectedBlocker, RejectedNTH - While serious, it affects a minority of hardware configurations and appears easy to workaround. Rejected as blocker for F18 beta, please re-propose if it turns out that the workaround doesn't work or more HW is affected than our current understanding (tflink, 16:57:04) * (856938) Native UEFI install from F18 Alpha RC3 DVD written to USB with livecd-iso-to-disk fails to boot (tflink, 16:58:27) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=856938 (tflink, 16:58:30) * Proposed Blocker, VERIFIED (tflink, 16:58:33) * this bug is fixed but update is not yet in stable - doesn't need any review - skipping (tflink, 17:00:50) * (859632) Cannot edit boot entries (tflink, 17:01:01) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=859632 (tflink, 17:01:02) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 17:01:02) * AGREED: 859632 - More data on the cause of this bug is needed before we make a decision on blocker status (tflink, 17:24:59) * (856362) KeyError: 'la-latin1' (tflink, 17:25:07) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=856362 (tflink, 17:25:07) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 17:25:07) * AGREED: 856362 - This was filed against preupgrade - we need to see if the new tool is affected before deciding on blocker status (tflink, 17:28:29) * (859224) Please take systemd-logind's handle-power-key/handle-suspend-key/handle-hibernate-key/handle-lid-switch inhibitor locks if GNOME wants to handle the respective keys on its own (tflink, 17:31:15) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=859224 (tflink, 17:31:19) * Proposed Blocker, ON_QA (tflink, 17:31:22) * AGREED: 859224 - RejectedBlocker - Since this appears to only affect suspend, it doesn't affect any of the F18 beta release criteria and thus is not a blocker for F18 beta. If this is still a significant issue during freeze, please re-propose as NTH (tflink, 17:38:52) * (862221) repo.getPackage(po) fails with yum-3.4.3-44 but works using git master (tflink, 17:39:09) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=862221 (tflink, 17:39:12) * Proposed Blocker, ON_QA (tflink, 17:39:14) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OfflineSystemUpdates (Viking-Ice, 17:41:02) * AGREED: 862221 - RejectedBlocker, RejectedNTH - This does not violate any F18 beta release criteria and thus does not qualify for blocker status. This does affect a F18 feature but that doesn't qualify for NTH by itself, either (tflink, 17:43:07) * (860791) IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-wlan0' (tflink, 17:43:16) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=860791 (tflink, 17:43:19) * Proposed Blocker, POST (tflink, 17:43:22) * AGREED: 860791 - This bug is really vague and we need more information before making a decision on blocker status (tflink, 17:52:31) * (860276) UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe9' in position 10: ordinal not in range(128) (tflink, 17:52:48) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=860276 (tflink, 17:52:51) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 17:52:53) * AGREED: 860276 - This appears to be a symptom of 858591, mark as a duplicate (tflink, 17:59:35) * (860430) RFE: dual boot support in newui (tflink, 17:59:44) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=860430 (tflink, 17:59:44) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 17:59:45) * AGREED: 860430 - This may be a blocker but as currently written, does not violate any criteria. Will re-visit at a later meeting once it has been clarified (tflink, 18:09:35) * (859485) Â« Copy settings Â» to system in G-C-C's Â« Region & Language Â» panel causes weird keyboard behavior (tflink, 18:09:48) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=859485 (tflink, 18:09:51) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 18:09:53) * AGREED: 859485 - RejectedBlocker - This doesn't hit any of the F18 beta release criteria and thus is rejected as a blocker. (tflink, 18:13:23) * (859614) [abrt] systemd-analyze-191-2.fc18: connection.py:651:call_blocking:DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Failed: Resource temporarily unavailable (tflink, 18:13:40) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=859614 (tflink, 18:13:43) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 18:13:46) * ACTION: adamw to re-test the tty bug with the new systemd build when lennart submits it (adamw, 18:23:17) * AGREED: 859614 - Since this bug isn't against the stable version of systemd, it doesn't qualify as a blocker for F18 beta. De-propose as a blocker for F18 beta, if 190+ is pushed stable before freeze, re-propose as blocker (tflink, 18:26:09) * (862612) anaconda freezes after clicking on "+" in keyboard layout settings (tflink, 18:26:23) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=862612 (tflink, 18:26:26) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 18:26:28) * AGREED: 862612 - AcceptedBlocker - Conditional violation of the following F18 alpha release criterion for non-US keyboards: "The installer must be able to complete an installation using the text, graphical and VNC installation interfaces" (tflink, 18:33:07) * (862613) ValueError: cannot initialize a disk that has partitions (tflink, 18:33:21) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=862613 (tflink, 18:33:21) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 18:33:21) * AGREED: 862613 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 beta release criterion: "The installer must be able to complete an installation using automatic partitioning to a validly-formatted disk with sufficient empty space, using the empty space and installing a bootloader but leaving the pre-existing partitions and data untouched" (tflink, 18:36:14) * (851114) RepoError: SQLite objects created in a thread can only be used in that same thread (tflink, 18:36:22) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=851114 (tflink, 18:36:25) * Proposed Blocker, ASSIGNED (tflink, 18:36:28) * AGREED: 851114 - AcceptedBlocker - Conditional violation of the following F18 alpha release criterion (it is a timing bug that is very easy to hit): "The installer must be able to install each of the release blocking desktops, as well as the minimal package set, with each supported installation method" (tflink, 18:38:55) * (862557) repoclosure failure on 18 Beta TC1 DVDs (kernel) (tflink, 18:39:07) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=862557 (tflink, 18:39:07) * Proposed Blocker, ASSIGNED (tflink, 18:39:07) * AGREED: 862557 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "There must be no file conflicts (cases where the files in some packages conflict but the packages have explicit Conflicts: tags are acceptable) or unresolved package dependencies during a media-based (DVD) install" (tflink, 18:46:50) * (862784) error: rpmdb open failed (tflink, 18:46:55) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=862784 (tflink, 18:46:57) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 18:47:00) * ACTION: adamw to discipline himself for bad drafting (adamw, 18:57:47) * AGREED: 862784 - As currently written, this does violate the F18 beta release requirements but this is an unintended consequence of recent re-wording. Will re-visit next meeting once there has been a chance for criteria revision (tflink, 18:58:33) * (862006) NameError: global name 'size_func_kwargs' is not defined (tflink, 18:58:38) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=862006 (tflink, 18:58:38) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 18:58:39) * AGREED: 862006 - AcceptedBlocker (final) - It's still unclear whether or not this qualifies as a beta blocker for F18 but is a clear final blocker - will re-visit beta blocker status once we have more clarity on the status of LVM as a common partition type (tflink, 19:14:54) * (862801) Anaconda hangs when 'Configuring installed system' (tflink, 19:15:45) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=862801 (tflink, 19:15:46) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 19:15:46) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=862801#c8 (satellit, 19:19:29) * AGREED: 862801 - We need more information on what exactly is causing this and whether it is hardware specific before making a decision on blocker status (tflink, 19:21:42) * (790365) Can't resume from suspend to RAM: Black screen and laptop frozen (tflink, 19:21:56) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=790365 (tflink, 19:21:59) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 19:22:02) * (847818) Radeon RS690M/X1200 screen corruption beyond kernel-3.4.6-2.fc17.i686 (tflink, 19:27:23) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=847818 (tflink, 19:27:26) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 19:27:29) * LINK: http://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/current (Martix, 19:28:32) * AGREED: 847818 - RejectedBlocker AcceptedNTH - This appears to only affect a single adapter which isn't enough to justify blocker status for F18 beta. However, it is enough to justify NTH - a well tested fix would be accepted past freeze (tflink, 19:39:55) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=862591 nice to have? (satellit, 19:39:57) * Next Meeting (tflink, 19:40:21) * Blocker review will continue 2012-10-04 @ 16:00 UTC (tflink, 19:42:10) * Open Floor (tflink, 19:42:15) Meeting ended at 19:44:33 UTC. Action Items ------------ * tflink to investigate 847831 and poke anaconda devs if needed * adamw to re-test the tty bug with the new systemd build when lennart submits it * adamw to discipline himself for bad drafting Action Items, by person ----------------------- * adamw * adamw to re-test the tty bug with the new systemd build when lennart submits it * adamw to discipline himself for bad drafting * tflink * tflink to investigate 847831 and poke anaconda devs if needed * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tflink (352) * adamw (324) * Viking-Ice (165) * kparal (131) * Martix (48) * akshayvyas (28) * zodbot (21) * poettering (11) * satellit (8) * drago01 (7) * Martix1 (3) * garretraziel (3) * nanonyme (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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