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FUDCon EMEA Paris 2012 meeting minutes
by Kévin Raymond 16 Aug '12

16 Aug '12

Hi there, Please find attached our meeting minutes. Note that we are going to meet next Monday especially to deal with Trac tickets/subsidies request. Cheers, http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-08-16/fudcon_emea_pa… #fedora-meeting-1: FUDCon EMEA 2012 Meeting started by shaiton_ at 18:00:44 UTC (full logs). Meeting summary funding (shaiton_, 18:04:25) https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/query?milestone=Paris+2012%3A+Trav… (shaiton_, 18:04:56) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Paris_2012_budget (shaiton_, 18:05:26) ACTION: shaiton_ to see about OWF signage (shaiton_, 18:15:11) ACTION: local team to detail a bit more :) see ^ (shaiton_, 18:17:33) ACTION: shaiton to set up a spreadheet doc to handle budget. Would then be reported to the wiki. (shaiton_, 18:23:42) https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/ticket/338 doesn't say anything about how much plane tickets are, etc. (rbergeron, 18:30:34) https://fedorahosted.org/fudcon-planning/wiki/FundingRequest (rbergeron, 18:31:16) We are going through all subsidies request on next Monday, the 20th at 20:00UTC. Please join and comment your ticket if needed. (shaiton_, 18:47:38) If your ticket doesn't have specific $ amounts, please update! (rbergeron, 18:47:57) ACTION: shaiton to post the reminder to few ML at least by Monday.. (shaiton_, 18:49:41) hotel (shaiton_, 18:52:10) Keep in mind that you would be able to cancel your reservation for FREE until the Dday-1!! (even the Dday before 6pm i think) (shaiton_, 18:53:50) if you are waiting for a roomate, please fill it on the the table ^ (shaiton_, 18:55:17) design (shaiton_, 18:58:14) https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/233 (shaiton_, 18:58:27) ACTION: open a ticket to the board to ask for the topic of policy for event ( global policy, not just for 1 event ) (misc, 19:15:16) other tasks (misc, 19:16:12) Open Floor (shaiton_, 19:17:08) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0An1TeHVqOhP6dHAyX1ZYUUtFc2c1Vn… (shaiton_, 19:18:49) Meeting ended at 19:22:49 UTC (full logs). Action items shaiton_ to see about OWF signage local team to detail a bit more :) see ^ shaiton to set up a spreadheet doc to handle budget. Would then be reported to the wiki. shaiton to post the reminder to few ML at least by Monday.. open a ticket to the board to ask for the topic of policy for event ( global policy, not just for 1 event ) Action items, by person shaiton_ shaiton_ to see about OWF signage UNASSIGNED local team to detail a bit more :) see ^ shaiton to set up a spreadheet doc to handle budget. Would then be reported to the wiki. shaiton to post the reminder to few ML at least by Monday.. open a ticket to the board to ask for the topic of policy for event ( global policy, not just for 1 event ) People present (lines said) shaiton_ (92) rbergeron (84) misc (33) eseyman (19) Southern_Gentlem (11) zodbot (4) suehle (1) -- Kévin Raymond (Shaiton)

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Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2012-08-16)
by Kevin Fenzi 16 Aug '12

16 Aug '12

============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2012-08-16) ============================================ Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:19 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-08-16/infrastructure.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Greets! (nirik, 18:00:19) * New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. (nirik, 18:02:16) * Applications status / discussion (nirik, 18:07:29) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3373#comment:13 (nirik, 18:11:03) * comments welcome on websockets/busgateway plan: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3373#comment:13 (nirik, 18:11:53) * pastebin service going to staging soon. (nirik, 18:12:03) * Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 18:19:04) * Hopefully will have networking to our private cloud boxes today and can start setting them up (nirik, 18:19:57) * new machine at osuosl... should be setup hopefully soon. osuosl02 (nirik, 18:20:16) * should have vfilers in the next few weeks to start looking at. (nirik, 18:20:48) * moving hosted03->01/02 next tuesday. (nirik, 18:21:11) * new virthost should be in phx2 now, racked in next few weeks to replace virthost13 (nirik, 18:24:31) * we will be making a busgateway01.stg and paste01.stg soon. (nirik, 18:25:06) * Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 18:26:32) * 2012-08-14 to 2012-08-28 F18 Alpha Freeze (nirik, 18:26:44) * 2012-08-21 hosted03-> hosted01/02 migration (tenative) (nirik, 18:26:44) * 2012-08-28 F18 Alpha release. (nirik, 18:26:44) * 2012-08-31 end of 2nd quarter (nirik, 18:26:44) * 2012-09-01 nag fi-apprentices. (nirik, 18:26:44) * 2012-09-08 drop inactive fi-apprentices. (nirik, 18:26:45) * 2012-09-10 to 2012-09-24 Skvidal is out (nirik, 18:26:47) * 2012-09-18 to 2012-10-02 F18 Beta Freeze (nirik, 18:26:49) * 2012-09-27 to 2012-09-28 Smooge at Puppetconf (nirik, 18:26:51) * 2012-10-02 F18 Beta release (nirik, 18:26:55) * Default Application Frameworks (nirik, 18:28:14) Meeting ended at 19:00:29 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (106) * abadger1999 (48) * skvidal (22) * lmacken (19) * tflink (11) * jds2001 (11) * abompard (11) * threebean (10) * mdomsch (8) * smooge (6) * zodbot (5) * samkottler (4) * relrod (4) * suehle (3) * athmane (1) * rossdylan (1) * ricky (0) * dgilmore (0) * CodeBlock (0) -- 18:00:19 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2012-08-16) 18:00:19 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 16 18:00:19 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:19 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:19 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 18:00:19 <nirik> #topic Greets! 18:00:19 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean 18:00:19 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 18:00:19 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge threebean 18:00:25 * skvidal is here 18:00:41 * samkottler is present 18:00:56 * athmane is around 18:01:02 * abadger1999 here 18:01:04 * abompard is here 18:01:23 * jds2001 around 18:02:00 <nirik> ok, cool. 18:02:07 <nirik> lets go ahead and dive on in. 18:02:16 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. 18:02:25 <smooge> here 18:02:31 <nirik> If any new folks want to give a quick one line bio or any apprentices would like to ask general questions, they can do so in this part of the meeting. Don't be shy! 18:02:49 <abompard> I'm not sure I've been introduced around here 18:03:09 <nirik> abompard: nope... please do introduce yourself. ;) 18:03:14 <abompard> some of you got an email from spot, but maybe not everybody 18:03:30 <abompard> I'm a new hire in the Fedora Engineering team at Red Hat 18:03:48 <nirik> Welcome abompard. 18:03:50 <abompard> I'll be working on HyperKitty first, the next Mailman 3 archiver 18:03:56 * samkottler claps :) 18:03:57 <abompard> thanks nirik 18:04:17 <nirik> do let us know if you need anything or are interested in working on other things too... 18:04:23 <abompard> I'm in Paris, it's UTC+2 so it's 8PM here 18:04:35 <abompard> nirik: I will, there's a lot of cool stuff to do 18:04:48 <abompard> nirik: but one thing at a time (well, not one, but not too many) 18:04:49 <nirik> yeah, we aren't lacking for stuff to work on. ;) 18:05:16 <nirik> excellent. Look forward to working with you... 18:05:26 <abompard> I hope I'll be able to attend the Thursday meetings 18:05:34 <nirik> any other new folks? or general apprentice queries? 18:05:42 * relrod is here. 18:05:51 * rossdylan is here 18:05:57 <nirik> abompard: if you can't and you have something to bring up, feel free to send it to the list. 18:06:07 <abompard> nirik: got it 18:06:12 * mdomsch 18:06:20 * lmacken 18:06:25 <nirik> cool. welcome everyone, good turnout today. ;) 18:06:28 <samkottler> I spoke to a few different people about our pupet setup so I'll be doing more work on that in the coming weeks 18:06:29 * threebean 18:06:37 <samkottler> No query, though :) 18:07:16 <nirik> samkottler: great. Thanks for updating our puppet docs too 18:07:27 <nirik> ok, moving along... 18:07:29 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 18:07:39 <nirik> any application news this week or upcoming? 18:07:49 <nirik> we are in freeze, so that means not much deployment... 18:08:24 <threebean> abadger1999, fchiulli, and I are working on migrating some pieces of pkgdb into the tagger and packages apps. Still in development now, but we hope to have some chunks done by the end of the freeze. 18:08:48 <nirik> I'm going to try and help track down our pkgdb hotfixes too. 18:08:57 <nirik> so we can make sure all those are merged. 18:08:58 <abadger1999> <nod> bugz seemed almost implemented in packages already so that should be done and ready to deploy after freeze. 18:09:28 <abadger1999> other stuff may require more work as it seems packages doesn't keep all that data yet. 18:09:35 <nirik> if anyone wants to help with that, I'd be happy to divide and conquer. 18:10:42 <nirik> I updated our websockets/busgateway ticket. 18:10:50 <nirik> with a plan... if anyone has comments, please let me know soon. 18:11:03 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3373#comment:13 18:11:35 <nirik> also, in application news, looks like our pastebin service is ready to move to staging... 18:11:53 <nirik> #info comments welcome on websockets/busgateway plan: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3373#comment:13 18:12:03 <nirik> #info pastebin service going to staging soon. 18:12:29 <nirik> any other apps news? 18:12:41 <threebean> Anyone mind if I start monkeying with koji in stg? 18:12:54 <lmacken> new bodhi went out, last week, and I pushed out some additional bugfixes earlier this week 18:13:16 <nirik> lmacken: did those tickets get closed? we should do that if not... 18:13:27 <lmacken> fedora-packages indexer got wedged again as well.. not sure what is going on there, but I kicked it in the mean time. 18:13:33 <nirik> threebean: go for it. It has a db load in it... but I don't think it has builders or anything. 18:13:44 <lmacken> nirik: ah, I'll close them out, thanks 18:14:17 <nirik> threebean: but if you need a builder, perhaps skvidal can whip you up one on pretty short notice. 18:14:28 <skvidal> yah 18:14:29 <threebean> nirik: Cool. I'm in the dark as to how it actually works. Going to try out some fedmsg stuff.. I might end up needing a builder to test it all. 18:14:30 <skvidal> I can do things 18:14:32 <skvidal> :) 18:14:40 <threebean> skvidal: :) 18:14:46 <threebean> skvidal: I will bother you, then. 18:14:54 <skvidal> threebean: as long as its easy. :) 18:14:57 <nirik> it would be nice for it to have a builder and also build from pkgs01.stg git, etc. 18:15:11 <nirik> because then we could actually test mock updates and such 18:15:33 <jds2001> yeah, i'd like for the vendor in the koji config to be different 18:15:45 <jds2001> such that you *know* that it came from staging without a dobut. 18:15:51 <nirik> yeah, that would be good too. 18:16:16 <nirik> and... (wait for the ponies and rainbows)... 18:16:42 <nirik> it would be cool if it ran koji-shadow and shadowed the main koji. Then we could see if new mock breaks something much more naturally 18:17:05 * jds2001 wonders where you plan on finding hte disk for that :D 18:17:32 <nirik> dunno. it doesn't need to follow all tags... rawhide can't be that big can it? ;) 18:17:56 <nirik> anyhow, those are all dreams. If someone wants to make them real I will buy them a drink. ;) 18:18:18 <jds2001> it'd take a lot more than drinks, i think :D 18:18:23 <nirik> ok, any other app news or shall we move on? 18:18:31 <relrod> FAS is in string freeze now 18:18:40 <nirik> relrod: cool. :) 18:18:52 <relrod> I'm waiting to hear back on one ticket then I'll email trans@ and they can get to work 18:19:00 <nirik> sounds good. 18:19:04 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 18:19:21 <nirik> so, we are in freeze so that slows down activity (hurray! :) 18:19:36 <nirik> however there's various bits of news: 18:19:57 <nirik> #info Hopefully will have networking to our private cloud boxes today and can start setting them up 18:20:16 <nirik> #info new machine at osuosl... should be setup hopefully soon. osuosl02 18:20:48 <nirik> #info should have vfilers in the next few weeks to start looking at. 18:21:11 <nirik> #info moving hosted03->01/02 next tuesday. 18:21:35 <nirik> Anything else pending or upcoming? 18:22:09 <nirik> skvidal wrote up a wiki page on our ansible pokings so far: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Skvidal/Ansible 18:22:46 <abadger1999> skvidal: Do we need simplejson? We have python-2.6 on all boxes except app07. 18:22:51 <skvidal> abadger1999: we don't 18:22:54 <abadger1999> Cool. 18:22:56 <skvidal> abadger1999: it's just *json( 18:23:01 <skvidal> but rhel5 needs it iirc 18:23:06 <abadger1999> Yeah. silly rhel5 18:23:16 <skvidal> I wanted to be reasonably exact 18:23:20 <skvidal> so no one nitpicked :) 18:23:24 <abadger1999> <nod> 18:23:31 <skvidal> pretty much @core gets it done 18:24:02 <skvidal> I'm working on breaking the repo I use for builders now 18:24:09 <skvidal> up into private and public 18:24:11 <skvidal> so I can export ours 18:24:15 <nirik> oh, another one: 18:24:31 <nirik> #info new virthost should be in phx2 now, racked in next few weeks to replace virthost13 18:24:38 <jds2001> skvidal: huh? 18:24:47 <skvidal> jds2001: our git repo for builder config 18:24:55 <jds2001> oh oh 18:25:00 <skvidal> jds2001: where I'm storing ansible playbooks and config files, etc 18:25:05 <jds2001> i thought you meant yum repo :) 18:25:06 <nirik> #info we will be making a busgateway01.stg and paste01.stg soon. 18:25:57 <nirik> ok, any other sysadmin type things to note? 18:26:32 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 18:26:42 <nirik> here's the list I have of upcoming: 18:26:44 <nirik> #info 2012-08-14 to 2012-08-28 F18 Alpha Freeze 18:26:44 <nirik> #info 2012-08-21 hosted03-> hosted01/02 migration (tenative) 18:26:44 <nirik> #info 2012-08-28 F18 Alpha release. 18:26:44 <nirik> #info 2012-08-31 end of 2nd quarter 18:26:44 <nirik> #info 2012-09-01 nag fi-apprentices. 18:26:45 <nirik> #info 2012-09-08 drop inactive fi-apprentices. 18:26:47 <nirik> #info 2012-09-10 to 2012-09-24 Skvidal is out 18:26:49 <nirik> #info 2012-09-18 to 2012-10-02 F18 Beta Freeze 18:26:51 <nirik> #info 2012-09-27 to 2012-09-28 Smooge at Puppetconf 18:26:55 <nirik> #info 2012-10-02 F18 Beta release 18:26:57 <nirik> anyone have items they would like to add/note/remove/edit? 18:27:22 <smooge> May want ot make that the 26th so I can travel to SF :) 18:27:31 <nirik> oh yeah. ;) 18:27:49 * nirik edits. 18:28:00 <nirik> ok, anything else on schedules? 18:28:14 <nirik> #topic Default Application Frameworks 18:28:24 <nirik> we didn't reach any conclusions on this the other week... 18:29:00 <nirik> anyone care to propose something? or ? 18:29:56 <tflink> I have a potentially related question about flask packages in epel6 18:30:14 <nirik> I guess I tried to propose: flask, TG2, pyramid. But abadger1999 didn't like that due to too many, and lmacken didn't like that due to too few? 18:30:22 <tflink> assuming that we do end up using Flask more, is there a version that we're trying to target? 18:30:29 <nirik> tflink: ask away... relrod and ianweller are leading that effort. 18:30:34 <abadger1999> yeah -- really.. I'd like 1 framework. 18:30:41 <tflink> I ask because there are a bunch of clask extension packages in epel6 that can't play nice together 18:30:46 <tflink> s/clask/Flask 18:30:56 <lmacken> I think instead of just trying to bless an arbitrary number of frameworks, I think we should take a step back and define the critera/policy of frameworks that we wish to allow. Maybe only 1 meets them, maybe 5? 18:30:59 <abadger1999> proposing 2 was already a compromise to what I was hoping for. 18:31:21 <tflink> it looks like the packaging effort for the extensions was started and not quite finished 18:31:44 <abadger1999> lmacken: That might be logical to think about if our concern is new development... my concern is maintainance, though. 18:32:01 <abadger1999> I think from that standpoint, the answer is: pick one and stick with that. 18:32:51 <lmacken> if maintenance of our existing apps is the main concern, then rewriting all of them completely in something that we've never had experience deploying may not be the best choice. 18:32:57 <jds2001> abadger1999: but the answer could be that we have people able/willing to maintain 5 18:33:09 <nirik> things I want: fewer parts/deps/changes, active upstream that answers bugs/security issues, not too rapid updates but updates, more developers that understand it so can fix things/track down bugs 18:33:14 <abadger1999> lmacken: then let's settle on TG2 and port everything to that. 18:33:26 <abadger1999> jds2001: right now -- but that has many problems 18:34:15 <abadger1999> Person A maintains Foo written in framework1; person B maintains Bar, Baz, and five other apps written in framework1. 18:34:25 <relrod> tflink: I don't know much about the extensions yet, I've just been focusing on getting Flask itself in EPEL for now 18:34:32 <abadger1999> Person A has done the heavy lifting of packaging, upstream interfacing etc... then they go away. 18:34:43 <lmacken> abadger1999: I'm not against porting/rewriting FAS & friends in TG2. But I'm also not against someone wanting to do it with pyramid, flask, etc. 18:34:44 <abadger1999> Person B doesn't have time to maintain the framework... 18:34:57 <tflink> relrod: I have been working on updating the specs and building locally for now, I was planning to pester the maintainer soon for an update 18:35:11 <nirik> perhaps we need to more strongly cross train people? 18:35:58 <nirik> ie, personA: you maintain bar this week and personB: you maintain foo this week? 18:35:59 <abadger1999> * New user joins infra and starts work on Baz written to framework 1. Makes changes that mean porting app Foo written to framework 2.... they have to learn both frameworks to get their change in. 18:36:50 <nirik> abadger1999: there's still some issue even if everything is the same framework... 18:36:58 <nirik> perhaps less so tho 18:37:10 <abadger1999> nirik: of course... but we partially mitigate them. 18:37:31 <jds2001> person A writes app Foo and goes away, Foo is now dead :( 18:37:32 <abadger1999> so we're in a better place even if we're not in a perfect place. 18:37:41 <jds2001> doesnt much matter what framework it's in 18:37:42 <tflink> I've heard the argument that a lot of the learning has to do with the application on top of the framework - learning a framework is easy. learning all the project-specific quirks and oddities is the hard part 18:38:15 <tflink> but that's developer learning curve, not maintaining tons of different frameworks 18:38:34 <abadger1999> jds2001: That can happen too. But let's say some app were to be abandoned that is critical to Fedora (packagedb, mirrormanager, bodhi, koji... one of those). 18:38:39 <smooge> my take on it more is from the non-developer sysadmin. 18:39:12 <abadger1999> jds2001: is it easier for someone else who works on one of those other apps to step in and start working if the app they currently maintain runs on that framework? Or if it's totally foreign? 18:39:47 <abadger1999> My experience contributing patches to any of those TG apps vs staring at koji code is that a common framework is huge boost to getting into the code base. 18:40:12 <nirik> is koji even using a framework? 18:40:21 <lmacken> nope 18:40:24 <abadger1999> is raw wsgi a framework? ;-) 18:40:34 <nirik> yeah, that. 18:41:08 <nirik> if we said: all applications must use flask. Would that mean someone would have to re-write koji in it? or askbot? or mediawiki? :) 18:41:19 <abadger1999> I could have said something like ask.fedoraproject.org (django).. same thing applies. 18:41:39 <abadger1999> nirik: those three we currently treat as third party apps 18:41:48 <abadger1999> we run them but we realy don't develop them. 18:41:49 <nirik> right. 18:41:53 <abadger1999> nirik: also -- 18:42:21 <abadger1999> this applies most immediately to new app development. 18:42:29 <nirik> anyhow, are we going to reach a consensus here? or perhaps we just settle on the 3 and leave it at that until/unless someone makes a good argument for removing one or adding a new one? 18:42:31 <abadger1999> new apps should be written in our chosen framework(s) 18:42:35 <nirik> right 18:42:39 <abadger1999> old apps get ported as we have the necessity. 18:42:45 <abadger1999> TG1 is becoming a necessity. 18:42:58 <abadger1999> But TG2 , pyramid.... not so much. 18:43:12 <lmacken> if I could leave bodhi as TG1 for 5 more years, I totally would. 18:43:30 <nirik> but 2.0 needs newer framework? or ? 18:43:33 <abadger1999> lmacken: yep.... but hte TG1 stack becomes harder to support every year. 18:43:35 <lmacken> there's something to be said about a framework that we've had in production for 5 years already, with very few problems at all. 18:43:45 <abadger1999> yeah tg2 has different underpinnings. 18:43:56 <lmacken> nirik: yeah, I designed myself into a corner with the architecture of bodhi1, it wasn't TG1's fault 18:44:17 <nirik> lmacken: live and learn. ;) I bet that code looks fun to you now... 18:44:29 <lmacken> yeah, it's pretty horrid :) 18:45:14 <abadger1999> If only TG had gone with evolutionary development from tg1.0 instead of rearchitechting the stack for tg2... I think we'd all still be happily running tg1 :-) 18:45:16 <lmacken> but I think we're going to keep going through that live & learn cycle with other frameworks, over and over. We just need to keep moving forward without making the same mistakes, which will be hard if we deviate too far from where we've been 18:45:36 <abadger1999> but htey didn't... and tg1 is much less healthy upstream than the other choices. 18:46:48 <smooge> ok quick question.. 18:47:16 <lmacken> if we're looking to make strong recommendations as to what frameworks we wish to use in the future, again, I think we need to decide upon critera that they must meet 18:47:55 <smooge> if lmacken or abadger won the lottery tomorrow and we didn't have them.. how tenable are our apps currently? 18:48:06 <lmacken> like, a) active upstream b) active fedora maintainers ... 18:48:12 <threebean> smooge: I've got 'em. 18:48:13 <lmacken> smooge: I came close last night ;) 18:48:20 <nirik> a) active upstream b) active epel maintainer(s) c) something we already use d) your need here 18:49:12 <threebean> smooge: honestly, pkgdb and mirrormanager appear to be the weakest links from my PoV. The rest could be spread around. 18:49:24 <abadger1999> smooge: We wouldn't die for Fedora 18 but we'd be starting to hurt by fedora 19 release. 18:50:23 <smooge> ok 18:50:29 <abadger1999> smooge: hotfixes and new releases with those hotfixes are the two places you'd notice it first. 18:50:44 * nirik notes as tflink pointed out there are still things we need to address for flask. Likely we won't know all those until we have something deployed using it. 18:51:01 <abadger1999> I generate a lot of hotfixes for fas, python-fedora, and pkgdb. And as time permits... I even wrap those up into releases :-) 18:51:14 <tflink> nirik: sounds like I might be the guinea pig there 18:51:16 <threebean> nirik: the exact same applies for pyramid. 18:51:38 <lmacken> threebean: well, I have experience with pyramid in our env now with openhw2012 18:51:40 <nirik> yeah, true... and we are still on the early part of the curve for TG2 18:51:52 * mdomsch needs to get MM 1.4 out the door, but I've been saying that for 18 months... 18:52:02 <lmacken> threebean: and now we know that the PrefixMiddleware is crucial :) 18:52:02 <abadger1999> the same could apply for any framework we have... but we don't want to deploy one app in each of them to see how we like it :-) 18:52:14 <nirik> mdomsch: is that just a new bugfix release? or rewritten in tg2? 18:52:23 <nirik> abadger1999: ageed. 18:52:26 <nirik> agreed even 18:52:29 <mdomsch> nirik: bugfix/features, not rewritten 18:52:35 <tflink> abadger1999: don't we already pretty much have one in each already? 18:53:08 <lmacken> we're pretty close. I think all we need is web2py in the mix and we'll have them all :P 18:53:10 <abadger1999> tflink: not that I know of -- we have tg1 and tg2 in production. 18:53:24 <abadger1999> tflink: we have pyramid and flask being worked on (pre-stg still I think) 18:53:34 <tflink> ah, I wasn't thinking of production. just the writing of the apps 18:53:37 <abadger1999> We have django third party apps deployed. 18:53:42 <nirik> I guess from the sysadmin side this would be similar to oses... and there we are pretty much standardized. Think of "I'd like to deploy $thing, but it uses SuSE" :) 18:54:36 <abadger1999> But I think if we wrote our own django apps we'd have a better understanding of rhe framework and that would likely lead to changes in how we deployed them. 18:54:47 <skvidal> okay 18:54:56 <skvidal> I've been kinda quiet for a bit - I wanted to interject 18:55:01 * nirik sees time running low. 18:55:04 <nirik> by all means skvidal 18:55:11 <abadger1999> So yeah -- there are things we won't know until for real deployment -- but we don't want to really deploy to find them out. 18:55:11 <skvidal> should we stop thinking of the model of how we are currently deploying apps 18:56:09 <skvidal> and start thinking about modifying our deployments to make it less of an effort to deploy one-off stacks 18:56:42 <mdomsch> skvidal: the tricky integration is with FAS 18:56:47 <nirik> but this isn't really about one-off is it? 18:57:21 <mdomsch> at least for MM, that's the one bit outside of the framework that abadger1999 has had to make functional 18:57:34 <mdomsch> which begs the question of the future of FAS as an integration point 18:57:39 <abadger1999> yeah -- it's not really about one-off. It's about maintainance more so. I think one-off stacks would make long term maintanance even harder? 18:57:39 <skvidal> mdomsch: you're right - that is the tricky bit 18:58:03 <mdomsch> I'd be OK with one-off stacks if there were a) fewer integrations; b) more hands to help 18:58:14 <skvidal> mdomsch: +1 18:58:48 <abadger1999> since one-off stacks could be used for pegging versions.. but that means needing to maintain more overall combinations of things with those pegged versions. 18:58:52 <mdomsch> if somehow we went from python-fedora FAS integration to "some common account API" world, be it FAS of LDAP or Shibboleth or AD or ... 18:59:48 <zodbot> suehle: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. 18:59:51 <suehle> doh 19:00:02 <nirik> suehle: sorry if we are intruding on your time... 19:00:02 * suehle should learn to read topic, sorry 19:00:08 <nirik> shall we wrap up folks? 19:00:12 <abadger1999> Sure. 19:00:16 <nirik> continue in #fedora-apps? 19:00:17 * threebean nods 19:00:22 <suehle> thanks! 19:00:26 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone! 19:00:29 <nirik> #endmeeting

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F18 Alpha Blocker Bug Review #3 Minutes
by Tim Flink 16 Aug '12

16 Aug '12

============================================== #fedora-bugzappers: f18-alpha-blocker-review-3 ============================================== Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-08-16/f18-alpha-blo… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-08-16/f18-alpha-blo… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-08-16/f18-alpha-blo… Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (tflink, 16:00:21) * Introduction (tflink, 16:06:20) * Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. (tflink, 16:06:35) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting (tflink, 16:06:54) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers (tflink, 16:06:54) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Alpha_Release_Criteria (tflink, 16:06:56) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Beta_Release_Criteria (tflink, 16:06:59) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Final_Release_Criteria (tflink, 16:07:05) * LINK: http://supermegawaffle.com/blockerbugs/current (tflink, 16:07:35) * 12 Proposed Blockers (tflink, 16:07:57) * 2 Accepted Blockers (tflink, 16:07:57) * 0 Proposed NTH (tflink, 16:07:58) * 0 Accepted NTH (tflink, 16:07:58) * (796479) firewalld conflicts with libvirt's default network (tflink, 16:09:03) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=796479 (tflink, 16:09:04) * Proposed Blocker, ASSIGNED (tflink, 16:09:04) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers is redirected to "Final Release Blockers" for 17 (robatino, 16:11:55) * AGREED: - 796479 - This still need more testing to determine whether or not there's a problem here and whether it's a blocker (tflink, 16:27:25) * (841451) polkitd doesn't start in rawhide (tflink, 16:27:34) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=841451 (tflink, 16:27:34) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 16:27:34) * AGREED: 841451 - This appears to still be happening but we need a little more confirmation. We also suspect that 841451 and 844167 are dupes. (tflink, 16:34:17) * (847644) 18 Alpha TC1 install discs fail to boot, drop to emergency mode (tflink, 16:34:31) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=847644 (tflink, 16:34:34) * AGREED: 847683 - AcceptedBlocker - Accepted as a blocker for F18 alpha due to violation of the following F18 alpha release criterion " There must be no file conflicts (cases where the files in some packages conflict but the packages have explicit Conflicts: tags are acceptable) or unresolved package dependencies during a media-based (DVD) install" (tflink, 16:44:14) * (847689) repoclosure failure on 18 Alpha TC2 DVDs (libkolab) (tflink, 16:44:32) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=847689 (tflink, 16:44:32) * Proposed Blocker, MODIFIED (tflink, 16:44:34) * instead of voting on all of the repoclosure bugs separately, we're voting on them all at the same time (tflink, 16:47:59) * the repoclosure bugs in question are 847689, 847693, 847694, 847683 and 848631 (tflink, 16:52:37) * AGREED: 847689, 847693, 847694, 847683, 848631 - AcceptedBlocker - These bugs are accepted as blockers for F18 alpha due to violation of the following F18 alpha release criterion: "There must be no file conflicts (cases where the files in some packages conflict but the packages have explicit Conflicts: tags are acceptable) or unresolved package dependencies during a media-based (DVD) install" (tflink, 16:53:07) * (848227) anaconda fails to initialize in F18 Alpha TC1 because it uses libgssapi_krb5.so.2, which lorax purges during compose (tflink, 16:53:24) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=848227 (tflink, 16:53:27) * Proposed Blocker, VERIFIED (tflink, 16:53:29) * AGREED: 848227 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion: "The installer must boot (if appropriate) and run on all primary architectures, with all system firmware types that are common on those architectures, from default live image, DVD, and boot.iso install media when written to an optical disc and when written to a USB stick with at least one of the officially supported methods" (tflink, 16:54:00) * (848641) Fedora 18 Alpha TC2 fails to boot from USB stick (written by livecd-iso-to-disk) (tflink, 16:54:12) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=848641 (tflink, 16:54:15) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 16:54:17) * AGREED: - 848641 - USB boot media needs to be checked with outher creation methods before we call this a blocker or not - if one of them is working, this is not a blocker for F18 alpha (tflink, 16:57:26) * (848682) anaconda boots into a black screen (tflink, 16:57:37) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=848682 (tflink, 16:57:37) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 16:57:37) * AGREED: 848682 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion "The installer must boot (if appropriate) and run on all primary architectures, with all system firmware types that are common on those architectures, from default live image, DVD, and boot.iso install media when written to an optical disc and when written to a USB stick with at least one of the officially supported methods" (tflink, 17:01:42) * (848803) Root password is not set due to missing authconfig (tflink, 17:01:54) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=848803 (tflink, 17:01:55) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 17:01:56) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=847831 (adamw, 17:03:58) * AGREED: 848803 - AcceptedBlocker - Violates the following F18 alpha release criterion "When booting a system installed without a graphical environment, or when using a correct configuration setting to cause an installed system to boot in non-graphical mode, the system should boot to a state where it is possible to log in through at least one of the default virtual consoles" (tflink, 17:11:35) * (848841) [TUI] anaconda crash when trying to work with empty (new) disk (tflink, 17:11:48) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=848841 (tflink, 17:11:51) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 17:11:53) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Criteria points to F17 criteria, hmm (kparal, 17:16:49) * AGREED: 848841 - RejectedBlocker - As there are no criterion for F18 alpha covering text mode installs and this bug is TUI specific, it is rejected as a blocker for F18 alpha and will be re-proposed as a blocker for F18 beta (tflink, 17:20:37) * (835867) systemd-journald is running as kernel_t (tflink, 17:23:03) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=835867 (tflink, 17:23:03) * Accepted Blocker, MODIFIED (tflink, 17:23:03) * AGREED: 835867 - move to CLOSED - We had been waiting for more feedback that this had inded been fixed but there has been no new confirmation. As there have been no new complaints, we assume that this has been resolved and can be closed - please re-open if the issue re-surfaces (tflink, 17:28:06) * (844510) FTBFS in Rawhide with gphoto 2.5.0 (tflink, 17:28:17) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=844510 (tflink, 17:28:17) * Accepted Blocker, ASSIGNED (tflink, 17:28:19) * it seems like upstream is working on this right now but it's not clear if they'll be able to fix it in time for alpha (tflink, 17:30:02) * upstream tracker: http://redmine.yorba.org/issues/5553 (tflink, 17:30:40) * there isn't anything to be done on our end at the moment, will need to make a decision on how to fix or workaround as alpha gets closer (tflink, 17:31:17) * Open Floor (tflink, 17:31:35) * Next blocker review meeting will be Wednesday, 2012-08-22 @ 16:00 UTC (tflink, 17:36:06) Meeting ended at 17:40:17 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tflink (203) * adamw (99) * kparal (40) * Martix (24) * bugbot_ (19) * akshayvyas (13) * zodbot (12) * nirik (5) * robatino (5) * cpuobsessed (2) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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i18n meeting summary5B (2012-08-16)
by Akira TAGOH 16 Aug '12

16 Aug '12

===================== #fedora-meeting: i18n ===================== Meeting started by tagoh_ at 06:01:20 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-08-16/i18n.2012-08-16-… . Meeting summary --------------- * agenda and roll call (tagoh_, 06:01:31) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2012-08-16 (tagoh_, 06:01:39) * F18 (tagoh_, 06:06:17) * Input Methods (tagoh_, 06:27:03) * Fonts and Rendering (tagoh_, 06:29:32) * Open Floor (tagoh_, 06:36:15) Meeting ended at 06:40:12 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tagoh_ (39) * pravins (8) * fujiwarat (5) * zodbot (3) * mfabian (1) * dueno (1) * dan408 (1) * paragan_ (1) * epico (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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EMEA ambassadors meeting 2012-08-15 minutes
by Jiri Eischmann 15 Aug '12

15 Aug '12

We had the first meeting in August. It lasted 1:20, 6 ambassadors attended. Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-08-15/emea_ambassadors… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-08-15/emea_ambassadors… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-08-15/emea_ambassadors… The next meeting will be in #fedora-meeting at 20:00 UTC on 2012-08-29. Meet you in 2 weeks, Jiri

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Fedora ARM weekly status meeting minutes 2012-08-15
by Paul Whalen 15 Aug '12

15 Aug '12

Good day all, Thanks to those who were able to join us for the weekly status meeting today. For those that were unable, the minutes are posted below: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-08-15/fedora-meeting… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-08-15/fedora-meeting… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2012-08-15/fedora-meeting… Paul

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FAmNA Meeting (15 August 2012)
by inode0 15 Aug '12

15 Aug '12

====================== #fedora-meeting: FAmNA ====================== Meeting started by inode0 at 01:00:04 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-08-15/famna.2012-08-15… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (inode0, 01:00:23) * The streets of Blacksburg, VA are no longer safe. SGS has his license. (nb, 01:03:20) * Announcements (inode0, 01:03:49) * inode0 will be doing something cool next Tuesday but don't worry because graphite6 will be here to entertain you (inode0, 01:03:50) * FUDCOn Venezuela is next week - your support / retweeting / encouragement are totally welcome :) (rbergeron, 01:07:29) * Orientation Topic: Ambassador related tracs (inode0, 01:08:38) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fama/ (inode0, 01:09:51) * FAS = fedora account system (rbergeron, 01:11:41) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ (inode0, 01:17:03) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/ (inode0, 01:17:10) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report (inode0, 01:19:59) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famnarequests/ (inode0, 01:27:48) * Tickets (inode0, 01:45:28) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 (inode0, 01:46:22) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ohio_Linux_Fest_2012 (graphite6, 01:48:23) * LINK: http://ohiolinux.org/bofs (graphite6, 01:50:19) * AGREED: budget of $1400 approved for OLF (graphite6, 01:57:01) * ACTION: budget of 1400 approved for OLF (kk4ewt, 01:57:12) * open floor (kk4ewt, 01:59:59) Meeting ended at 02:17:26 UTC. Action Items ------------ * budget of 1400 approved for OLF Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * budget of 1400 approved for OLF People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * inode0 (119) * lh (71) * dan408- (64) * nb (51) * graphite6 (34) * herlo (33) * kk4ewt (30) * masta (25) * rbergeron (22) * award3535 (18) * farmerrob (17) * SGS (12) * nirik (10) * Sonar_Gal (9) * zodbot (6) * dramsey (6) * kaptk2 (3) * wrnash (2) * DiscordianUK (1) * CubedRoot (1) John

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Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2012-08-13)
by Jon Ciesla 13 Aug '12

13 Aug '12

#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2012-08-13) Meeting started by limburgher at 17:00:13 UTC (full logs). Meeting summary init process (limburgher, 17:00:13) #888 F18 Feature: UEFI Secure Boot - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SecureBoot (limburgher, 17:05:13) ACTION: UEFI Secure Boot pending rel-eng work and Board clarification (limburgher, 17:11:35) #932 F18 Features - progress at Feature Freeze (limburgher, 17:11:41) AGREED: Have jreznik contact feature owners from #932 with another week to complete or re-target to f19(+:6,-:0,0:0) (limburgher, 17:29:15) #933 Exception request F18 Feature: Secure Containers - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Securecontainers (limburgher, 17:29:31) AGREED: Grant Secure Containers Feature Freeze Exception (+:8,-:0,0:0) (limburgher, 17:31:44) #934 Exception request F18 Feature: rngd default-on - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/rngd_default_on (limburgher, 17:31:50) ACTION: rngd default-on Feature Freeze Exception pending questions in ticket, discuss next week. (limburgher, 17:40:35) #935 Exception request F18 Feature: F18 D programming - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F18_D_programming (limburgher, 17:40:43) AGREED: F18 D programming Feature Freeze Exception granted (+:8,-:0,0:0) (limburgher, 17:43:09) Next week's chair (limburgher, 17:43:28) ACTION: mjg59 will chair 2012-08-20 (limburgher, 17:44:09) Open Floor (limburgher, 17:44:15) ACTION: limburgher will run a whenisgood for possible tuesday meeting. (limburgher, 17:47:24) AGREED: Retain prohibition on allowing update submitters to provide karma on their own updates (+:5,-:2,0:1) (limburgher, 17:56:49) Meeting ended at 18:00:46 UTC (full logs). Action items UEFI Secure Boot pending rel-eng work and Board clarification rngd default-on Feature Freeze Exception pending questions in ticket, discuss next week. mjg59 will chair 2012-08-20 limburgher will run a whenisgood for possible tuesday meeting. Action items, by person limburgher limburgher will run a whenisgood for possible tuesday meeting. mjg59 mjg59 will chair 2012-08-20 UNASSIGNED UEFI Secure Boot pending rel-eng work and Board clarification rngd default-on Feature Freeze Exception pending questions in ticket, discuss next week. People present (lines said) limburgher (96) nirik (52) jwb (37) t8m (28) pjones (28) mjg59 (27) mmaslano (26) dan408 (23) jreznik (14) notting (13) zodbot (12) abadger1999 (4) DiscordianUK (4) bioinfornatics (2) lmacken (1) rbergeron (1) mitr (0) Generated by MeetBot 0.1.4. http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-08-13/fesco.2012-08-13… http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-08-13/fesco.2012-08-13… -- http://cecinestpasunefromage.wordpress.com/ ------------------------------------------------ in your fear, seek only peace in your fear, seek only love -d. bowie

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Docs Project meeting minutes for 13 August 2012
by Eric Christensen 13 Aug '12

13 Aug '12

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ==================================================================================================== #fedora-meeting: Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings ==================================================================================================== Meeting started by Sparks at 14:01:15 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-08-13/fedora_docs.2012… . Meeting summary - --------------- * Roll Call (Sparks, 14:01:21) * Follow up on last week's action items (Sparks, 14:05:56) * ACTION: Sparks to add relevant git commands to QA procedures (Sparks, 14:06:14) * ACTION: bcotton to send call for volunteers for QA Wrangler to mailing list (Sparks, 14:06:31) * ACTION: ianweller to ask the guys behind the packages app if man pages is a thing they can do (Sparks, 14:06:51) * Removing Release Notes launcher from desktops (Sparks, 14:07:41) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=846316 (Sparks, 14:07:49) * Person would like to have the Release Notes removed from the desktop as a launcher. (Sparks, 14:08:00) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design/F18_Launcher_Purge (Sparks, 14:08:13) * LINK: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOS/Design/Whiteboards/GettingStarted (pkovar, 14:13:09) * AGREED: We reject the proposal to remove Fedora Release Notes from the GNOME desktop. (Sparks, 14:22:17) * Using koji to publish docs.fp.o (Sparks, 14:22:32) * List discussion https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/docs/2012-May/014324.html (Sparks, 14:22:45) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Automating_publishing (Sparks, 14:22:53) * Sparks doesn't have any additional information about this but will follow up with Rudi this week. (Sparks, 14:23:34) * An upgrade to Publican 3 will break current functionality until the backend can be upgraded as well. (Sparks, 14:26:41) * Rudi to provide input before or during the next meeting (Sparks, 14:29:27) * QA recap (Sparks, 14:30:02) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_QA_Procedure (Sparks, 14:30:02) * bcotton is supposed to be working this more. No update this week. (Sparks, 14:30:21) * Outstanding BZ Tickets (5 minutes) (Sparks, 14:31:52) * LINK: http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84 (Sparks, 14:31:52) * Open floor discussion (Sparks, 14:32:30) * LINK: http://jreznik.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-18/f-18-docs-tasks.html (rbergeron, 14:34:07) * lnovich1 needs someone to help review the Virtualization Administration Guide (it's new!). (Sparks, 14:42:03) * jjmcd will not be able to lead the Release Notes effort this release (Sparks, 14:45:31) Meeting ended at 14:57:43 UTC. Action Items - ------------ * Sparks to add relevant git commands to QA procedures * bcotton to send call for volunteers for QA Wrangler to mailing list * ianweller to ask the guys behind the packages app if man pages is a thing they can do Action Items, by person - ----------------------- * Sparks * Sparks to add relevant git commands to QA procedures * **UNASSIGNED** * bcotton to send call for volunteers for QA Wrangler to mailing list * ianweller to ask the guys behind the packages app if man pages is a thing they can do People Present (lines said) - --------------------------- * Sparks (84) * jjmcd (40) * pkovar (20) * sgordon (17) * jsmith (17) * lnovich1 (14) * rbergeron (7) * randomuser` (4) * zodbot (3) * claneys (3) * iamnew (1) * Martix (1) * jreznik (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot - -- Eric =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Eric "Sparks" Christensen Fedora Project - https://fedoraproject.org Member of: * Fedora Board * Documentation Project Blog: https://sparkslinux.wordpress.com 097C 82C3 52DF C64A 50C2 E3A3 8076 ABDE 024B B3D1 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQKRaLAAoJEIB2q94CS7PRtd4QAIJIugk98WSeJfBa1cfbTT5h W2mU6pWcAgldH+1o/cwwtXBgxjM3RPxSAQ76ufPFl/lmSkzej34shKl1KNdEshY6 eU3vx9viwg9FjLUWIy7wLdBe4P57/PHtiNGSTSjXXOamMmYX2ilppi7IvvM+w91E QJwAJnDwp731dirjaWVBG7FObzoxZrN9nXjT2fmdljEtVq9MOjCpngDTBUAp4Kke EiqwNqcsFZtkDNPwSuDz86CV4QjVbiVKNehHy+PdmVaus/nD/ZXOSWmjV64JYXdU LSAlAK/MTlsjKk/51g6sjukPKJ2P8UnFM0Stq3f/RxDrx4bB57DDTZQH2F1iS9ov x98LJxFXOe/7/Inu29U3u3R0DhYFC3DmDcdDkawYBUjIIWfbeQo7mVzaBZFo5kRV IjUxzD1BaFXwq7WlW/mZIbFDL0qf3I0Oc8gdXD+25WL9lvVr98bzkBM4JJjSMu6B ja1LuqhKJgot52YzHhawVaeYS1bz5m+FT/5PwaN54naagmRhF47mNN0zEGTta1RH VOexbCzxmZHuPuB/AS7cePo2pvfURaOVA7+CXfZObVo0j+zuEZupfJO+StD8aXMJ Y6kshhZbzuqBeHzVG94oMjQJmZSmyR+Tbl02r5cQUyG2DeuctrSIJthPss79bRun ageWg2KLeiDQyUg6i7Md =GFvP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [Test-Announce] 2012-08-10 @ 17:00 UTC - F18 Alpha Blocker Bug Review #2
by Tim Flink 10 Aug '12

10 Aug '12

============================================== #fedora-bugzappers: f18-alpha-blocker-review-2 ============================================== Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-08-10/f18-alpha-blo… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-08-10/f18-alpha-blo… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2012-08-10/f18-alpha-blo… Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (tflink, 17:01:04) * LINK: http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/development/18/x86_64/os/Packa… doesn't seem to have a libimobiledevice, it's true. (adamw, 17:07:06) * Introduction (tflink, 17:11:32) * Our purpose in this meeting is to review proposed blocker and nice-to-have bugs and decide whether to accept them, and to monitor the progress of fixing existing accepted blocker and nice-to-have bugs. (tflink, 17:11:47) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting (tflink, 17:12:19) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers (tflink, 17:12:19) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Alpha_Release_Criteria (tflink, 17:12:22) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Beta_Release_Criteria (tflink, 17:12:24) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_18_Final_Release_Criteria (tflink, 17:12:31) * 2 Proposed Blockers (tflink, 17:15:26) * 2 Accepted Blockers (tflink, 17:15:26) * 0 Proposed NTH (tflink, 17:15:26) * 0 Accepted NTH (tflink, 17:15:26) * (796479) firewalld conflicts with libvirt's default network (tflink, 17:15:42) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=796479 (tflink, 17:15:42) * Proposed Blockers, ASSIGNED (tflink, 17:15:42) * (796479) firewalld conflicts with libvirt's default network (tflink, 17:19:41) * requires an f18 host to be sure of current status, no-one here has an f18 host to test with yet (adamw, 17:20:24) * requires an f18 host to be sure of current status, nobody here has an f18 host to test with yet (tflink, 17:21:05) * AGREED: - 796479 - Due to being in the middle of branching, we don't currently have any install media to test this with. Will re-visit next week after we've had the opportunity to test it more (tflink, 17:26:58) * (841451) polkitd doesn't start in rawhide (tflink, 17:27:07) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=841451 (tflink, 17:27:08) * Proposed Blocker, NEW (tflink, 17:27:08) * it appears as if polkitd is no longer used and polkit is the new service (tflink, 17:40:49) * AGREED: - 841451 - This seems like it could be blocker material but we need more information on whether it affects F18 fresh installs or supported upgrade methods before making a decision on blocker status (tflink, 17:40:57) * (835867) systemd-journald is running as kernel_t (tflink, 17:41:38) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=835867 (tflink, 17:41:38) * Accepted Blocker, MODIFIED (tflink, 17:41:39) * AGREED: - 835867 - It appears as if this has been fixed but none of the original reporters have confirmed the fix. Ask for re-testing and feedback. (tflink, 17:50:50) * (844504) FTBFS in Rawhide with gphoto 2.5.0 (tflink, 17:51:01) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=844504 (tflink, 17:51:02) * Accepted Blocker, NEW (tflink, 17:51:02) * 844504 is actually fixed; gvfs has been rebuilt. bug closed. (adamw, 17:57:55) * (844510) FTBFS in Rawhide with gphoto 2.5.0 (tflink, 18:01:27) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=844510 (tflink, 18:01:27) * Accepted Blocker, NEW (tflink, 18:01:27) * This still isn't fixed, shotwell will likely need to be removed from the first couple F18 alpha TC/RCs (tflink, 18:05:52) * upstream is aware of the issue, seems willing to help us get something working for F18 (tflink, 18:07:54) * Open Floor (tflink, 18:11:15) * As a reminder, the blocker meeting times will be changing starting next week (tflink, 18:11:32) * Future blocker review meetings will be on Wednesdays at 16:00 UTC (time will change with DST to keep consistency with the QA meetings) (tflink, 18:12:20) * Next blocker review meeting will be 2012-08-15 @ 1600 UTC (tflink, 18:24:29) Meeting ended at 18:24:53 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * tflink (120) * adamw (50) * brunowolff (48) * nirik (19) * Martix (18) * zodbot (12) * thm_ (8) * bugbot_ (6) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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