APAC meeting Summary = Saturday, July 20th, 2013 at 04:00 UTC
by Suresh Packiyarajah
Hello All,
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#fedora-meeting: FAmAPAC
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Meeting started by FranciscoD at 04:01:32 2013 UTC. The full logs are
available
at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-07-20/apac_meeting_2...
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-07-20/apac_meeting_2...
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-07-20/apac_meeting_2...
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Meeting summary
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* Init process (FranciscoD, 04:01:56)
* Announcements (FranciscoD, 04:04:37)
* The docs team can use a lot of help right now, tracking the new
features that will need to be documented. (FranciscoD, 04:05:58)
* The marketing team can also use quite a bit of help. (FranciscoD,
04:06:45)
* LINK:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/famsco/2013-July/001390.html
(tuanta, 04:11:23)
* LINK:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2013-July/003174.html
(suresht, 04:12:13)
* the board is considering dedicating F20 to Seth (FranciscoD,
04:13:30)
* there will probably be an event dedicated to Seth at Flock also. A
cycling event from what I read on the fudcon-planning list.
(FranciscoD, 04:13:52)
* Review actions from previous meeting (FranciscoD, 04:17:17)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2013-06-22#Review...
(FranciscoD, 04:17:19)
* Trac tickets (FranciscoD, 04:19:16)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:APAC_Ambassadors_2013-06-22#Trac_t...
(FranciscoD, 04:19:19)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/report/9 (FranciscoD,
04:19:27)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F19_Hanoi
(FranciscoD, 04:21:30)
* AGREED: Approved nangthang 's request for funds for a release party
(FranciscoD, 04:31:09)
* ACTION: FranciscoD update ticket
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/88 (FranciscoD,
04:31:21)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F19_Cantho
(FranciscoD, 04:32:07)
* If anyone has reservations about
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F19_Cantho, please
comment on the ticket https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/84
(FranciscoD, 04:38:54)
* Open floor (FranciscoD, 04:40:35)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/333#comment:8
(tuanta, 04:42:17)
* ACTION: tuanta to send a personal email to invite kushal to take CC
holder for APAC (tuanta, 04:47:57)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Klaten,_Indonesia_2013
(FranciscoD, 04:48:44)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Activity_Day_-_FAD
(FranciscoD, 04:49:58)
* LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_organize_a_FAD
(FranciscoD, 04:50:05)
Meeting ended at 05:09:21 UTC.
Action Items
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* FranciscoD update ticket
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/88
* tuanta to send a personal email to invite kushal to take CC holder for
APAC
Action Items, by person
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* FranciscoD
* FranciscoD update ticket
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-apac/ticket/88
* kushal
* tuanta to send a personal email to invite kushal to take CC holder
for APAC
* tuanta
* tuanta to send a personal email to invite kushal to take CC holder
for APAC
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* FranciscoD (162)
* tuanta (98)
* sentabi_ (26)
* zodbot (17)
* kushal (13)
* suresht (13)
* KageSenshi (11)
* nangthang (8)
* nangthang_ (4)
* vanhonit (3)
* jsmith (3)
* mribeirodantas (2)
Thanks,
Suresh
10 years, 9 months
Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2013-07-18)
by Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2013-07-18)
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Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:02 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-07-18/infrastructure...
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Meeting summary
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* welcome everyone (nirik, 19:00:02)
* New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks (nirik, 19:02:43)
* Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:07:27)
* have 63 badges done now. (nirik, 19:16:41)
* LINK: http://blog.olasd.eu/2013/07/bootstrapping-fedmsg-for-debian/
(threebean, 19:16:43)
* #debian-fedmsg over on irc.oftc.net for debian messages. ;) (nirik,
19:17:02)
* LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages (threebean,
19:19:38)
* new packages app to production (nirik, 19:19:42)
* Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 19:24:59)
* nirik to be at phx2 29th - 31st (nirik, 19:25:25)
* koji outage starts in about 1.5 hours later today. (nirik,
19:27:14)
* work on our rbac-playbook wrapper script has moved forward, ready to
test (nirik, 19:28:19)
* hope to have our new bladecenter working sometime soon. (nirik,
19:29:02)
* Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:34:46)
* LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/
(nirik, 19:34:46)
* Open Floor (nirik, 19:36:37)
* LINK:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/meetbot/meetbot/meetbot/meetbot/fedora-m...
(nirik, 19:38:35)
Meeting ended at 19:44:44 UTC.
Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* nirik (86)
* threebean (21)
* oddshocks (15)
* smooge (12)
* Jairo (7)
* abadger1999 (7)
* tdk2fe (7)
* rhaen (6)
* zodbot (4)
* sheap (4)
* tflink (4)
* kilted1 (3)
* mdomsch (3)
* mahrud (1)
* samkottler (1)
* cyberworm541 (1)
* Smoother1rOgZ (1)
* lmacken (1)
* relrod_n4 (1)
* dgilmore (1)
* ricky (0)
* CodeBlock (0)
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19:00:02 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2013-07-18)
19:00:02 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jul 18 19:00:02 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
19:00:02 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
19:00:02 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure
19:00:02 <nirik> #topic welcome everyone
19:00:02 <nirik> #chair smooge CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean
19:00:02 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
19:00:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky smooge threebean
19:00:17 * cyberworm541 is here
19:00:22 * tflink is lurking
19:00:33 * abadger1999 here
19:00:39 <sheap> here!
19:00:44 * Smoother1rOgZ is around
19:00:52 * threebean is here!
19:01:46 * kilted1 waves
19:02:14 <smooge> here
19:02:16 <rhaen> here.
19:02:23 * oddshocks
19:02:29 <nirik> ok, I guess we should go ahead and dive on in...
19:02:43 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks
19:02:57 <nirik> any new folks like to introduce themselves? or apprentices with questions or comments?
19:03:06 <Jairo> Hi all
19:03:08 <sheap> Hi everyone, I'm new here
19:03:14 <Jairo> Me too
19:03:25 <nirik> cool. welcome.
19:03:33 <Jairo> thanks
19:03:40 <nirik> are you more interested in sysadmin or application development type things?
19:03:41 <oddshocks> sheap: Welcome to Fedora-land!
19:03:44 <threebean> Hi Jairo, sheap. :)
19:03:49 <Jairo> sysadmin
19:03:51 <oddshocks> Jairo: welcome!
19:03:57 <sheap> Thanks everyone!
19:04:27 * relrod_n4 here...ish.
19:05:00 <nirik> if sysadmin, I can help you get started after the meeting over in #fedora-admin... if apps we have #fedora-apps ready for your questions. ;)
19:05:23 <mahrud> nirik: hmm, is that a new channel?
19:05:44 <nirik> not really... been around a while now. year or two?
19:06:45 <nirik> so, sheap / Jairo: welcome, and do chime in with questions and hang out in #fedora-admin / #fedora-noc / #fedora-apps. :)
19:07:15 <sheap> I've been silently watching in admin/noc. Interesting to see what's going on
19:07:23 <nirik> excellent.
19:07:27 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion
19:07:34 <nirik> Any application news?
19:07:48 <Jairo> I'm lost in how start or find a task
19:08:00 <threebean> Jairo: oh, have you seen pingou's "easyfix" app?
19:08:11 <Jairo> no
19:08:15 <dgilmore> hey all
19:08:16 <threebean> Jairo: https://fedoraproject.org/easyfix/
19:08:34 <threebean> Jairo: its a list of tickets aggregated from a variety of our trackers that have been marked (appropriately or not) as "easyfix"
19:08:51 <threebean> meaning, they could be a good first ticket to take on.
19:09:24 <Jairo> Thanks, now I take a look
19:09:27 * nirik nods.
19:09:52 <nirik> also, it's often good to hang out in our irc channels and ask about issues people are talking about... that can often get you involved in the solution.
19:10:07 <threebean> in application news, I got some websocket updating working on the badges staging app -> https://apps.stg.fedoraproject.org/badges
19:10:18 <threebean> if you let it sit and watch the leftmost column, it should update as new badges are awarded by the backend.
19:10:55 <nirik> nice. ;)
19:11:07 <lmacken> I'm probably going to do a bodhi update during the koji outage too with a few bugfixes
19:11:16 <nirik> are we planning on starting fresh when we deploy in prod? or copying the existing staging db?
19:11:31 <nirik> lmacken: cool, sounds good.
19:11:35 <threebean> start fresh, I think.
19:11:58 <oddshocks> I vote start fresh
19:12:03 * nirik nods. just wondering, no biggie to me either way
19:12:04 <oddshocks> We've already wiped the DB many times
19:12:06 <oddshocks> in staging
19:12:24 <oddshocks> The highest I've seen the user count at was about 800, which is sweet :)
19:12:44 <nirik> how many badges are we up to?
19:13:09 <threebean> 62 + the flock badge = 63
19:13:23 <nirik> nice.
19:13:25 <oddshocks> Plus, mizmo and Jenn are almost done with all of the art for em :)
19:13:31 <oddshocks> they look awesome *digs up link from mizmo*
19:13:48 <nirik> wonder if we shouldn't do a brainstorm session sometime for some more. Would be cool to start with 100+ or something.
19:13:52 <threebean> yeah! 40~50 of those done. only a dozen or so are actually loaded into the stg app at this point.
19:14:16 <oddshocks> these are mizmo's: http://i.imgur.com/j5RL1Gr.png
19:14:32 <rhaen> oddshocks: oh, they do look very nice, indeed
19:14:40 <nirik> yeah, very nice.
19:14:50 <oddshocks> and you can see Jenn's in some cases on staging, or here: https://github.com/oddshocks/badges/tree/master/art (assuming she PR'd me the latest bits)
19:14:56 <oddshocks> #agree
19:14:59 * samkottler is sorry he's late
19:15:15 <tdk2fe> Hello all
19:15:21 * oddshocks waves
19:15:25 <nirik> samkottler: no worries, welcome.
19:15:32 <nirik> hey tdk2fe
19:15:56 <threebean> nirik: I'm out on PTO next week. we could do a brainstorming session on tuesday the 30th?
19:15:58 <nirik> I also think it's pretty cool that the debian folks have their fedmsg setup running along now. ;) Very cool.
19:16:27 <nirik> threebean: I'll be in phx2 then... perhaps that friday?
19:16:31 * threebean nods
19:16:33 <threebean> sounds good
19:16:41 <nirik> #info have 63 badges done now.
19:16:43 <threebean> #link http://blog.olasd.eu/2013/07/bootstrapping-fedmsg-for-debian/
19:17:02 <nirik> #info #debian-fedmsg over on irc.oftc.net for debian messages. ;)
19:17:18 <oddshocks> ahh awesome they have a channel for it, too
19:17:20 <oddshocks> so cool
19:17:33 <nirik> yeah, its getting a ton of traffic because they have their bug tracker hooked up
19:17:36 <tdk2fe> so is there a formal start to the meeting? Or is 19:00 UTC a suggestion for when to arrive :)
19:17:52 <nirik> tdk2fe: yes, we start at 19UTC sharp. ;) (17min ago)
19:18:08 <tdk2fe> Ah
19:18:16 <nirik> tdk2fe: if you're new, welcome... more interested in sysadmin or application development or both?
19:18:20 <tdk2fe> I won't interrupt further, then
19:18:26 <tdk2fe> Sysadmin
19:18:30 <nirik> no problem at all... :)
19:18:44 <nirik> ok, do see me in #fedora-admin after the meeting and we can get you pointed in the right direction.
19:18:53 <threebean> tdk2fe: (welcome!)
19:18:55 <tdk2fe> (I'm at work right now so if I take a bit to respond I apologize)
19:18:58 <tdk2fe> Thanks!
19:19:11 <nirik> any other application news upcoming?
19:19:28 <threebean> oh, I pushed a new release of the fedora-packages app to production
19:19:38 <threebean> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages
19:19:42 <nirik> #info new packages app to production
19:19:49 <nirik> any exciting changes? or just small bugfixes?
19:19:50 <threebean> fixed some bugs in the updates view
19:19:55 <threebean> small stuff :)
19:20:04 <nirik> ok
19:20:10 <mdomsch> mirrormanager is still struggling a bit
19:20:30 <nirik> mdomsch: yeah, crawler issues?
19:20:33 <mdomsch> crawler is hanging
19:20:42 <nirik> :(
19:21:22 <nirik> mdomsch: oh, can you make a fedora-rawhide-install thing that points to rawhide fedup images like we do for say fedora-19-install ? (one step needed for fedup to support upgrading to rawhide)
19:21:51 <mdomsch> ok
19:22:19 <nirik> (not urgent at all, just happened to remember it)
19:22:39 <nirik> abadger1999: you said there might be a new voting app update soon?
19:23:16 <abadger1999> nirik: yeah -- fchiulli has just about finished the rewrite.
19:23:26 <abadger1999> I think we could deploy and test..
19:23:41 <nirik> cool. we can look at migrating it to ansible / per application instance(s)
19:23:46 <abadger1999> not sure about doing the next release naming vote in it -- that might be cutting it close
19:23:58 <nirik> well, we are already overdue on that vote. ;(
19:24:03 <abadger1999> otoh, release naming is fairly low impact even if it is the most voted in election :-)
19:24:31 <abadger1999> <nod>
19:24:31 <nirik> yeah.
19:24:57 <nirik> ok, moving on then...
19:24:59 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion
19:25:08 <nirik> Lets see...
19:25:14 <abadger1999> Once the rewrite is deployed, it will be time for people to start thinking about how to enhance the app again -- I think it's a pretty straight port. So plenty of UI warts will be carried over.
19:25:25 <nirik> #info nirik to be at phx2 29th - 31st
19:25:34 <nirik> abadger1999: yeah.
19:25:47 <nirik> I'm going to schedule a outage for the 30th.
19:26:13 <nirik> during which we will roll up everything on updates and I will be adding memory/disk to various virthosts.
19:27:14 <nirik> #info koji outage starts in about 1.5 hours later today.
19:27:19 <smooge> weee
19:27:37 <nirik> I think I am mostly all setup for that.
19:27:50 <nirik> I predict there will be lots of people who didn't pay attention asking about it however.
19:28:19 <nirik> #info work on our rbac-playbook wrapper script has moved forward, ready to test
19:29:02 <nirik> #info hope to have our new bladecenter working sometime soon.
19:29:08 <nirik> anything else sysadmin wise?
19:30:53 <smooge> I am trying to find out ab
19:30:55 <tflink> nirik: has there an announcement about the outage on the 30th?
19:31:04 <nirik> tflink: yes, to devel-announce.
19:31:12 <smooge> geez.. me no type good
19:31:20 <smooge> I am updating some certs on the websties
19:31:32 <nirik> oh, sorry, no not yet
19:31:49 <nirik> tflink: was going to wait a bit, because if I announce too much in advance people forget about it.
19:31:52 <smooge> I am hardlinking a lot of data over to archive so that will be ready
19:32:16 <nirik> smooge: cool. Can you also make sure that the certs are in nagios to be monitored for expire?
19:32:22 <tflink> nirik: ok, making sure I hadn't missed anything
19:32:28 <smooge> I will add that
19:32:51 <nirik> tflink: hopefully it will not be too long, but pulling and adding memory always takes longer than you expect.
19:32:51 <smooge> I am on hold for a bunch of stuff
19:33:01 <smooge> that will probably all come about at the same time
19:33:13 <tflink> nirik: sure, just wanted to be sure I knew about any autoqa downtime
19:33:16 <nirik> of course. ;)
19:33:50 <nirik> tflink: probibly won't directly affect autoqa... I don't think we are doing anything to that virthost/qa hosts.
19:34:03 <nirik> although, if you need me to do anything to those qa hosts, please do let me know.
19:34:46 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items
19:34:46 <nirik> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/
19:34:55 <nirik> anything anyone would like to note or plan upcoming?
19:36:37 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
19:36:45 <nirik> any items for open floor? questions or comments/
19:36:46 <nirik> ?
19:37:02 <rhaen> Nice introduction to ansible, yesterday, nirik
19:37:37 <rhaen> thanks for this.
19:38:04 <nirik> oh yeah, I should note that here...
19:38:08 <kilted1> is there a transcript to that meeting somewhere?
19:38:35 <nirik> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/meetbot/meetbot/meetbot/meetbot/fedora-m...
19:38:41 <nirik> just was getting it. ;)
19:38:58 <nirik> so, thats a short intro to what we have so far on our ansible deployment and questions and issues we need to solve.
19:39:18 <smooge> I am working on some "how to test on your own" stuff
19:39:33 <smooge> so you can "test" things on a vm local to you to get an idea
19:39:43 * threebean saves that link
19:39:50 <rhaen> is there anything like rspec/cucumber for ansible playbooks?
19:39:56 <nirik> yep. I use ansible here at home as well... it's very easy to get started playing around with it.
19:40:37 <nirik> rhaen: not that I know of... playbooks are pretty simple to write...
19:41:13 <nirik> just include any existing roles or tasks or add specific plays...
19:41:14 <rhaen> nirik: k, they are easy, true - do you recommend a yaml editor / vim plugin/ something?
19:41:18 <kilted1> smooge: very cool, I would be interested in that
19:41:33 <nirik> I've just been using plain vim. There might be some plugin for yml that would make it neater. ;)
19:41:34 <smooge> I hope to have it by next thursday
19:42:50 <nirik> ok, if nothing else will close out in a minute
19:44:41 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone!
19:44:44 <nirik> #endmeeting
10 years, 9 months
Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2013-07-17)
by Miloslav Trmač
#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2013-07-17)
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Meeting started by mitr at 18:00:48 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-07-17/fesco.2013-07-...
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Meeting summary
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* init process (mitr, 18:00:54)
* ACTION: mitr Update FESCo meeting process page for election results
(mitr, 18:04:26)
* #1132 libtool + %global _hardened_build 1 = no full hardening (mitr,
18:05:53)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1132 (mitr, 18:05:57)
* AGREED: apply kludge to redhat-rpm-config now, ask libtool
maintainer to come up with a more sustainable/better fix in libtool
and drop kludge when no longer needed (+5) (mitr, 18:15:49)
* #1135 F20 System Wide Change: Fedora 20 Boost 1.54 Uplift - (mitr,
18:16:50)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/F20Boost154 (mitr,
18:16:52)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1135 (mitr, 18:16:56)
* AGREED: F20 System Wide Change: Fedora 20 Boost 1.54 Uplift was
accepted (+6) (mitr, 18:19:12)
* #1137 F20 Self Contained Changes (mitr, 18:19:32)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1137 (mitr, 18:19:36)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SharedCertificateTools
(mitr, 18:21:38)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/SDDMinsteadOfKDM
(mitr, 18:21:42)
* LINK:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/2013-July/001181...
(mitr, 18:21:50)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Virt_Manager_Snapshots
(mitr, 18:21:54)
* AGREED: Self-contained changes from ticket #1137 are accepted (+7)
(mitr, 18:23:10)
* #1136 F20 System Wide Change: ARM as primary Architecture - (mitr,
18:23:25)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ARM_as_Primary (mitr,
18:23:27)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1136 (mitr, 18:23:31)
* LINK: http://stg.fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#2nd_arches
(nirik, 18:31:07)
* AGREED: "build ARM on primary infrastructure. whether it is released
as a primary Fedora 20 or as 'Fedora 20 for ARM' depends on how well
it fulfills release criteria and functionality criteria closer to
release time" (+5) (mitr, 19:24:46)
* Next week's chair (mitr, 19:25:08)
* Marcela has volunteered to be the next week's chair (mitr,
19:25:10)
* Open Floor (mitr, 19:25:15)
* Mass rebuild - https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5655 (mitr,
19:25:43)
* ACTION: mitr ask Perl SIG to think about ways of speeding the Perl
rebuild up (mitr, 19:39:13)
* There is a Koji storage outage tomorrow/friday (mitr, 19:39:38)
* AGREED: start mass rebuild as soon as perl rebuild is merged back
and redhat-rpm-config is patched for libtool, but no earlier than
Jul 20 (+6) (mitr, 19:40:45)
* Open Floor (mitr, 19:40:49)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoBinDeps -- submitted
this week so I don't know if we want to discuss it -- I think the
question as stated in the Change is not a Change but an FPC issue --
but it would be helpful to FPC if fesco discussed the basic issue of
whether we want UsrMove to imply that we've "merged /bin with
/usr/bin" or that we've "replaced /bin with /usr/bin" (abadger1999,
19:40:58)
* AGREED: FESCo prefers "merged /bin and /usr/bin" (mitr, 19:51:01)
Meeting ended at 19:53:38 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* mitr Update FESCo meeting process page for election results
* mitr ask Perl SIG to think about ways of speeding the Perl rebuild up
10 years, 9 months
FAmNA Meeting (17 Jul 2013)
by inode0
======================
#fedora-meeting: famna
======================
Meeting started by inode0 at 01:00:14 UTC. The full logs are available
at
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* Announcements (inode0, 01:03:45)
* Agenda (inode0, 01:07:00)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/famna/report/9 (inode0, 01:07:20)
* Open Floor (inode0, 01:34:28)
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John
10 years, 9 months
Fedora Docs Meeting Minutes 15July2013
by Pete Travis
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#fedora-meeting: Docs Project Meeting - Agenda:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings
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Meeting started by randomuser at 14:00:23 UTC. The full logs are
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* Roll Call (randomuser, 14:00:23)
* Follow up on last week's action items (randomuser, 14:06:13)
* ACTION: randomuser to prep beats for F20 (randomuser, 14:06:50)
* Guide Status (randomuser, 14:07:35)
* docs writers should subscribe to devel-announce for important
project announcements. Discussions usually follow on devel@
(randomuser, 14:33:47)
* LINK:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel-announce
(randomuser, 14:33:56)
* LINK: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
(randomuser, 14:34:10)
* LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/20/ChangeSet
(randomuser, 14:37:28)
* LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes (randomuser, 14:41:31)
* Outstanding BZ Tickets (randomuser, 14:43:07)
* LINK: http://tinyurl.com/lbrq84 (randomuser, 14:43:14)
* LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_Review_Table
(randomuser, 14:54:26)
* Open Floor Discussion (randomuser, 14:56:14)
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10 years, 9 months
Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2013-07-11)
by Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2013-07-11)
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Meeting started by nirik at 18:59:59 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-07-11/infrastructure...
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Meeting summary
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* welcome y'all (nirik, 18:59:59)
* New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. (nirik, 19:02:20)
* nirik has slacked and not done his monthly apprentice group purge
yet... will do it later today. If you're an existing apprentice,
please reply to the status update email. :) (nirik, 19:05:39)
* moment of silence (nirik, 19:06:20)
* Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:08:33)
* LINK: https://apps.stg.fedoraproject.org/badges/ (threebean,
19:10:29)
* LINK: http://sources.debian.net/src/calibre/0.7.7%2Bdfsg-1squeeze1
(nirik, 19:18:03)
* LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/guake/contents
(pingou, 19:18:19)
* LINK: http://codesearch.debian.net/about (nirik, 19:18:49)
* see #fedora-apps if you are interested in working on codesearch or
showing code for pkgs (nirik, 19:21:12)
* Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 19:23:24)
* nirik to be in phx2 july 29-31st (nirik, 19:24:39)
* outage for the 30th to add memory and drives to systems, etc.
(nirik, 19:25:00)
* koji outage next week... thursday night and friday. (nirik,
19:25:14)
* nirik to plan an ansible session next week to bring people up to
speed and discuss plans. (nirik, 19:30:24)
* Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:44:25)
* LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/
(nirik, 19:44:25)
* Open Floor (nirik, 19:45:51)
Meeting ended at 19:52:32 UTC.
Action Items
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
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* nirik (96)
* smooge (35)
* threebean (20)
* pingou (20)
* abadger1999 (16)
* rhaen (15)
* dgilmore (6)
* zodbot (4)
* oddshocks (4)
* rbergeron (3)
* tflink (2)
* mdomsch (2)
* kushal (1)
* lmacken (1)
* ricky (0)
* CodeBlock (0)
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18:59:59 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2013-07-11)
18:59:59 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jul 11 18:59:59 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:59:59 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
18:59:59 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure
18:59:59 <nirik> #topic welcome y'all
18:59:59 <nirik> #chair smooge CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean
18:59:59 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
18:59:59 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky smooge threebean
19:00:29 <nirik> who all is around?
19:00:30 * pingou here
19:00:33 * threebean is here
19:00:38 * rhaen is here
19:00:58 * lmacken
19:01:43 <dgilmore> hey
19:02:13 <nirik> ok, lets go ahead then...
19:02:17 <smooge> here
19:02:17 * tflink is lurking
19:02:20 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks.
19:02:29 <oddshocks> yo
19:02:30 <nirik> any new folks like to say hi, or apprentices with questions?
19:02:39 <rhaen> Here.
19:03:04 <rhaen> Hello fedora team, I am a sysadmin/dev in real life
19:03:05 <kushal> just hi
19:03:10 <rhaen> and would like to join.
19:03:13 <threebean> rhaen: hi :)
19:03:17 <nirik> welcome rhaen
19:03:20 * oddshocks waves at rhaen
19:03:22 <pingou> welcome rhaen
19:03:23 * rhaen bows.
19:03:31 <nirik> are you more interested in sysadmin or development stuff? or both?
19:03:58 <rhaen> nirik: actually, I haven't wrapped my mind around it. I am spending building packages for the company I am working for
19:04:05 <rhaen> and do lots and lots of puppet coding
19:04:17 <rhaen> So I think I could help with the puppet stuff.
19:04:22 <nirik> rhaen: ok. we do use puppet, but we are moving to ansible. ;)
19:04:38 <nirik> help with things is always welcome. ;)
19:04:43 <rhaen> oh, that's not an issue -
19:04:55 <rhaen> I am looking forward to :)
19:04:55 <nirik> see me after the meeting and I can add you to our apprentice group to look around...
19:05:04 <rhaen> sure! Thanks, nirik
19:05:09 <nirik> also...
19:05:39 <nirik> #info nirik has slacked and not done his monthly apprentice group purge yet... will do it later today. If you're an existing apprentice, please reply to the status update email. :)
19:06:20 <nirik> #topic moment of silence
19:06:56 <nirik> as most of you know, we lost our friend and fedora family member skvidal this week.
19:07:29 <nirik> please do keep him and his family and friends in your thoughts.
19:07:44 <nirik> and be patient with us as we all try and move forward.
19:08:33 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion
19:08:53 <nirik> any news in the application world...
19:09:18 <abadger1999> anyone who wants to review this pull request is invited to do so: https://github.com/fedora-infra/python-fedora/pull/45
19:09:35 <abadger1999> it's a pretty invasive change to python-fedora's client.
19:09:39 <abadger1999> more eyes are better.
19:10:10 * threebean nods
19:10:29 <threebean> #link https://apps.stg.fedoraproject.org/badges/
19:10:58 <threebean> badges are moving ahead. we've been struggling with css recently. there's plenty of other work to be done, but there's progress.
19:11:19 <abadger1999> One of puiterwijk's comments: https://github.com/fedora-infra/python-fedora/pull/45#discussion-diff-500... needs input -- I think we should be doing something about that but I'm not sure we should be doing it as part ofthis pull request/release or the next release.
19:11:53 <nirik> threebean / oddshocks are we on target to give badges in prod at flock? or hard to say?
19:12:10 <threebean> nirik: on track, yes.
19:13:05 <nirik> abadger1999: so with this we could look at implementing 2fa in the webapps? it would require more work on each of them? or is plugin?
19:13:40 <pingou> nirik: they will all require more work anyway at, least the input field (unless they use openid)
19:13:46 <abadger1999> nirik: it is the first step for the client.
19:13:52 <nirik> ok.
19:14:01 <abadger1999> it makes it so the client has an api that can handle otps
19:14:05 <abadger1999> (in two different ways)
19:14:18 <abadger1999> the servers then need to be able to handle the otps.
19:14:37 <nirik> might be nice to add a planning doc to the wiki with the various stages of what we are thinking... in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Infrastructure_Planning
19:15:09 <abadger1999> I think that really requires that we modify fas to handle them... SmootherFrOgZ had some work to do that but he might have to modify it a bit since the clientside api is different than what he originally wrote.
19:15:31 <abadger1999> once fas is modified, we can look at modifying fas_openid and other webapps that use fas to authenticate.
19:15:42 <nirik> k
19:16:30 <nirik> one sidenote to mention..
19:17:22 <nirik> sources.debian.org popped up not long ago. its a flask app to search/show sources for all their packages. It might be a neat thing to have for us, and could mean just implemeting in packages?
19:17:40 <threebean> shows package contents?
19:17:50 * nirik gets an example
19:17:57 <pingou> threebean: packages has this but needs to be fixed
19:18:03 <nirik> http://sources.debian.net/src/calibre/0.7.7%2Bdfsg-1squeeze1
19:18:19 <pingou> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/guake/contents
19:18:27 <nirik> they also have a search function via that
19:18:34 <nirik> not sure if it's flask or something else.
19:18:49 <nirik> http://codesearch.debian.net/about
19:18:52 <nirik> ha, it's in 'go'
19:18:59 <smooge> oooooooooh
19:19:24 <nirik> anyhow, not that we need more things, but this might be a nice side project or good way to get involved if someone finds it interesting.
19:19:37 * threebean nods
19:19:48 <pingou> the front-end is flask indeed
19:20:20 <pingou> threebean: isn't/wasn't packages searching content as well at some point?
19:21:09 <threebean> I don't think so
19:21:12 <nirik> #info see #fedora-apps if you are interested in working on codesearch or showing code for pkgs
19:21:21 <threebean> it ought to though.. should just be a matter of adding it to xapian during the indexing cronjob.
19:21:34 <pingou> +1
19:21:41 <pingou> I miss-remember then
19:22:18 <nirik> anyhow, any further apps news? or shall we move on?
19:22:45 <threebean> nah, none here.
19:22:57 <nirik> just to note: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/report/15 is the list of our hotfixes currently. :) Do consider new releases before f20alpha to clean up some.
19:23:24 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion
19:23:31 <nirik> so, on the sysadmin side...
19:24:07 <nirik> I'm still more commited than ever to moving to ansible, but our progress will be definitely slowed as Seth was working on our tooling. ;(
19:24:33 <threebean> yeah :/
19:24:39 <nirik> #info nirik to be in phx2 july 29-31st
19:25:00 <nirik> #info outage for the 30th to add memory and drives to systems, etc.
19:25:14 <nirik> #info koji outage next week... thursday night and friday.
19:25:20 <abadger1999> nirik: for ansible -- are we at a place where we could have a 1-2 hour irc or google hangout training?
19:25:38 <abadger1999> ie -- what the various folders in the ansible git repo are for.
19:25:47 <abadger1999> walk through of creating a new host for a particular purpose.
19:26:19 <abadger1999> maybe some common things that get changed like proxies, app servers?
19:26:20 <nirik> abadger1999: possibly. The thing that was being worked on was the parts to allow non sysadmin-main to run playbooks on hosts they could sudo on, and a trigger/cronjob to run playbooks on changes. I was hoping to get those in place and then do some training...
19:26:31 <abadger1999> <nod>
19:26:50 <nirik> I'd be happy to do a irc/hangout meetup tho to help get people up to speed...
19:26:58 <rhaen> are vagrant boxes an option for this?
19:27:00 <nirik> and solicit help/ideas for the parts we still need.
19:27:11 <nirik> rhaen: nope, we don't use vagrant. ;)
19:27:34 <pingou> do we want to do it online or at flock?
19:27:46 <pingou> (one being not entirely against the other of course)
19:27:50 <nirik> rhaen: we actually have the virt setup story down pretty nicely... you can just define variables in ansible and it makes it for you, installs, and runs playbooks.
19:28:12 <rhaen> nirik: yep, got it - already looked into it.
19:28:31 <nirik> I think vagrant is premade images? (I've not used it much tho, so not sure)
19:28:39 <nirik> pingou: we could do both possibly.
19:28:40 <rhaen> I thought just for the training to provide anyone with a "fedora alike" environment for testing and educational stuff
19:28:57 <nirik> rhaen: ah, I see, misunderstood... yeah, you can use any box you like to play with ansible.
19:29:01 <tflink> vagrant also doesn't work well with other-than-virtualbox vms, IIRC
19:29:27 <rhaen> tflink: true, it supports vmware, too - however no kvms
19:29:36 <nirik> how about I try and setup a time next week sometime? and we can at least gather and I can show what we have now and we can plan and see what our gaps are?
19:29:51 <pingou> sounds good
19:29:52 <abadger1999> nirik: sounds good.
19:30:19 <threebean> nirik: for the "run playbooks on changes" trigger.. did you have a git hook in mind?
19:30:24 <nirik> #info nirik to plan an ansible session next week to bring people up to speed and discuss plans.
19:31:09 <nirik> threebean: yeah. We (well, Seth) was going to be more clever than that tho... and figure out what hosts were affected by the change. So, if you check in a badges01 change it would only re-run the badges playbook.
19:31:15 <smooge> looks like someone doesn't like freenode again
19:31:35 <threebean> nirik: yeah, I'm thinking about it now.
19:31:43 <nirik> we wanted to move to a more triggered model than a run every 30min model that we have in puppet.
19:31:46 <oddshocks> smooge: yep
19:31:56 <nirik> sometimes of course you can't tell, and have to just run everything.
19:31:57 <threebean> but, a smart git hook would be cool? you push, and it updates only hosts that need updating?
19:32:11 <smooge> threebean, yeah
19:32:43 <nirik> threebean: yeah, although we also talked about making it time delayed a bit... ie, so you could commit and someone could see your commit and tell you about a mistake before it ran...
19:32:49 <nirik> but thats all up in the air.
19:33:17 <pingou> I remembered that last part
19:33:22 <oddshocks> that sounds cool.
19:33:57 <nirik> in some cases I like that our puppet commits run out after a delay...
19:33:57 <threebean> cool..
19:34:08 <nirik> in other cases, it's something urgent and you really would prefer fast.
19:34:37 <threebean> idea -> it would be cool if zodbot published a link to ansible git diffs when we push so review can happen faster.
19:34:40 <threebean> at least, be more public.
19:34:50 <nirik> yep. I'm all for that.
19:34:58 <pingou> nirik: aren't these the same most of the time (ie: urgent -> overlooked? :))
19:35:05 <nirik> sometimes. ;)
19:35:23 <pingou> threebean: fedmsg? :)
19:35:43 <threebean> pingou: https://gist.github.com/ralphbean/5963084
19:35:49 <smooge> well if zodbot listened to fedmesg and published them
19:36:11 <pingou> threebean: <3 #9
19:36:18 <nirik> fedmsg would be ok with me too I guess... although not sure how interesting those messages would be to many fedmsg consumers.
19:36:36 <nirik> but I guess they can filter them if they don't care.
19:36:50 <nirik> lets see... other sysadmin stuff...
19:37:01 <pingou> nirik: you don't want your desktop notifications of commit on ansible ? :)
19:37:06 <nirik> smooge: any news on new bladecenter, bvirthost replacements or memory ordering? ;)
19:37:16 <smooge> nope
19:37:25 <nirik> pingou: might be amusing. I mostly just watch #fedora-fedmsg tho
19:37:28 <smooge> I am getting a quote on memory. and I will be putting it in tomorrow
19:37:39 <smooge> I have been spending most of my week on a GNOME hardware issue
19:37:39 <nirik> smooge: the bvirthosts should be ready to order right?
19:37:42 <nirik> yeah. ;(
19:38:02 <smooge> nirik, I believe so I will do so after I get my allergy shot after this meeting
19:38:15 <nirik> smooge: oh, also, where were we with that other ppc box?
19:38:25 <smooge> completely unknown.
19:38:48 <smooge> I will ping shaun on it
19:38:49 <nirik> it was racked? or we don't even know that?
19:39:21 <smooge> I thought it was racked but I can't find the email on it
19:39:40 <smooge> what I thought was it was the other ppc that we are removing
19:39:44 <nirik> oh yeah, and on the other ppc box... we were waiting for nfs network to get them added to koji..
19:39:58 <nirik> should finish that up if we can.
19:40:41 <nirik> ok, any other sysadmin type stuff?
19:40:48 <smooge> oh email ticket was put into system about bladecenter.
19:40:58 <smooge> nirik, I need you to go look at fed-cloud03
19:41:12 <nirik> smooge: ok, can do after meeting?
19:41:32 <smooge> I believe its eth0 is now pointing to the internet but I can't get into it because well its uhm pointing to the internet with an 172 ip
19:41:42 <dgilmore> nirik: we could always not use it for createrepo
19:42:16 <smooge> dgilmore, ? with all the net noise not sure what you are talking about
19:42:20 <nirik> dgilmore: yeah, although they have a lot of memory and will mostly be sitting there doing nothing, so it seems like createrepo would be something productive for them. ;)
19:42:32 <nirik> smooge: the ppc01/ppc02 instances on the first new ppc box.
19:42:57 <smooge> dgilmore, I believe it should be a quick edit and push to the puppet repo
19:43:11 <smooge> the internal puppet repo for netapps not ours
19:43:22 <nirik> smooge: they are on the nfs network on eth1 now?
19:43:31 <smooge> I believe so
19:43:56 <smooge> I tested pinging and such
19:44:13 <nirik> cool, we can finish that up then.
19:44:25 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items
19:44:25 <nirik> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/
19:44:31 <smooge> by the way. I found our backup AIX knowledge person who can help us
19:44:36 <nirik> anything upcoming folks would like to schedule or note?
19:44:39 <nirik> smooge: excellent.
19:44:42 <smooge> rbergeron,
19:44:45 <nirik> sad that we need one.
19:44:51 <nirik> ha! nice!
19:45:51 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
19:45:59 <nirik> any items for open floor?
19:45:59 <smooge> ok I think we are going to need to set aside some time at Flock for a bunch of things
19:46:06 <rbergeron> smooge: NO
19:46:17 <dgilmore> rbergeron: NO?
19:46:19 <nirik> smooge: yeah, we always have quite a list. ;)
19:46:26 <smooge> sorry rbergeron you laid out your darkest secret about AIX and I jumped on it
19:46:36 <smooge> because I am a rat bastard
19:47:04 <rbergeron> smooge: i have a 13 year old ppc aix box if you need me to send it to you
19:47:25 <smooge> see rbergeron you can use it to test the commands for our LPARs
19:47:33 <smooge> and you are in PHX
19:47:43 <smooge> its all win
19:47:46 <rbergeron> i love when a plan comes together
19:47:54 <nirik> heh
19:48:21 <dgilmore> rbergeron: we love you
19:48:48 <nirik> ok, anything else from anyone, or shall we call it a meeting?
19:48:53 <smooge> ok for the Flock stuff I think it is mainly going to be not cool stuff :/.
19:49:12 * mdomsch will have to miss flock :-(
19:49:18 <dgilmore> smooge: i have a list for you to do ;)
19:49:22 <dgilmore> mdomsch: :(
19:49:25 <smooge> :(
19:49:41 <nirik> mdomsch: :( Thats very sad news.
19:49:47 <smooge> mdomsch, I notice you mention it after I said it was not cool stuff.
19:50:00 <mdomsch> smooge: not entire coincidental :-)
19:50:04 <pingou> mdomsch: arf :(
19:50:04 <smooge> that was a lie. It is really we are going to do it on the Aircraft Carrier Yorktown
19:50:16 <threebean> woo!
19:50:19 <smooge> and there is cake
19:50:25 <nirik> punch and pie.
19:50:30 <pingou> smooge: you know what they say about cake
19:50:32 <pingou> and spoon
19:51:08 <smooge> ok well I don;'t have anything
19:51:19 <nirik> ok, will close out in a minute if nothing more.
19:52:29 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone.
19:52:32 <nirik> #endmeeting
10 years, 9 months
Summary/Minutes irc support sig meeting (2013-07-11)
by Kevin Fenzi
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#fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2013-07-11)
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Meeting started by nirik at 17:59:59 UTC. The full logs are available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-07-11/irc-support-si...
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Meeting summary
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* init process (nirik, 17:59:59)
* Week in review (nirik, 18:03:19)
* ticket #152 It should be possible to file tickets that aren't visible
to the public (nirik, 18:09:16)
* Open Floor (nirik, 18:12:54)
Meeting ended at 18:24:26 UTC.
Action Items
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Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
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* nirik (42)
* DiscordianUK (31)
* Khaytsus (10)
* dvanstone (10)
* kushal (7)
* mjg59 (5)
* zodbot (3)
* EvilBob (2)
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17:59:59 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2013-07-11)
17:59:59 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jul 11 17:59:59 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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17:59:59 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig
17:59:59 <nirik> #topic init process
17:59:59 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig'
18:01:12 <dvanstone> o/
18:01:45 * nirik waves. waits a min more for folks.
18:02:20 <dvanstone> I am rather impressed with the fedup upgrade method very little cleanup afterward
18:02:23 * DiscordianUK is here
18:02:51 <DiscordianUK> not an issue for now Dvanstone
18:02:54 <nirik> yeah, from what I have seen it's been much better for folks...
18:03:01 <nirik> of course nothing is 100%
18:03:19 <nirik> #topic Week in review
18:03:20 <dvanstone> just scraped off some orphans and reinstalled the video
18:03:30 <nirik> anything from the previous week folks would like to shout out?
18:04:36 <DiscordianUK> steady trickle of folks grumbling about anaconda i guess
18:04:49 <nirik> less so than 18 tho... so we are making progress I hope.
18:05:14 <DiscordianUK> but I think generally f19 has proved better for most
18:05:37 <nirik> yeah, seems a nice solid release, IMHO.
18:06:06 <Khaytsus> It hasn't eaten any of my cats yet.
18:06:13 <DiscordianUK> I've had one success and one less successful install
18:07:23 * nirik has had no problems here really.
18:07:26 <dvanstone> DiscordianUK� had some xfce panel issue and gnome seems faster than f17 haven't played in 19 much yet
18:07:31 <DiscordianUK> But congrats to the qa team and everyone
18:07:50 <DiscordianUK> I have no gettys on the ttys on the laptop
18:08:16 <nirik> dvanstone: weird. I'd be happy to try and help with the panel issue in #fedora sometime...
18:08:16 * Khaytsus hands DiscordianUK a Rush CD
18:08:21 <DiscordianUK> but that's just an isolated issue
18:08:27 <nirik> DiscordianUK: weird. they should auto spawn
18:08:39 <DiscordianUK> i'll reinstall the laptop
18:08:52 <DiscordianUK> they do here on the desktop
18:09:03 <nirik> huh. ok
18:09:05 <dvanstone> nirik it was adding a spacer and expanding it - solved
18:09:09 <nirik> shall we move on to tickets?
18:09:14 <nirik> dvanstone: ah, ok.
18:09:16 <nirik> #topic ticket #152 It should be possible to file tickets that aren't visible to the public
18:09:28 <DiscordianUK> hmmm
18:09:42 <Khaytsus> Next
18:09:54 <nirik> I added my comments in ticket. Personally, I think mentioning to the fedora-ops channel these kinds of things would be enough... I really think private sekret tickets are a bad idea.
18:10:01 <DiscordianUK> I find that one odd
18:10:13 <DiscordianUK> default to open
18:10:18 <DiscordianUK> -1 to that
18:10:25 <nirik> I don't know if that would meet the reporters use case...
18:10:33 <dvanstone> -1
18:10:55 <dvanstone> hard to see any open issue
18:11:10 <nirik> doesn't look like anyone is thrilled with the idea.
18:11:44 <EvilBob> I said my piece
18:11:55 <nirik> so, shall we close this and move on?
18:12:02 <EvilBob> +1
18:12:09 <DiscordianUK> yes let's
18:12:19 <dvanstone> next
18:12:54 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
18:13:08 <nirik> Any items for open floor? ideas, suggestions for improvement, etc?
18:13:13 <kushal> may be [OT]
18:13:23 <DiscordianUK> I have nothing
18:13:35 <Khaytsus> Super quiet in tehc hannel sometimes. Is that good (quality) or bad (lower usage)
18:13:47 <Khaytsus> Although there are other factors.. ask seems to be getting a lot of traffic these days
18:14:01 <kushal> is there any document/steps written which properly explains dual boot with windows8 for laptops? getting too many quarries
18:14:17 <Khaytsus> kushal: EFI installs then? I think so... hmm
18:14:18 <DiscordianUK> I think the problems with freenode are putting people off too
18:14:19 <nirik> kushal: not that I know of, but it would sure be nice to have one. ;)
18:14:19 <dvanstone> Khaytsus� ask is a handy resource
18:14:32 <nirik> yeah, lots of net splits annoying people.
18:14:56 <Khaytsus> I see a Mac EFI guide but not offhand seeing an EFI guide for PCs.
18:15:38 <nirik> I think dual booting with efi is a bit more complex than without... but I currently have 0 efi machines here, so I wouldn't feel good to write such a think.
18:15:40 <nirik> thing
18:15:41 <kushal> Khaytsus, nirik , all the new laptops all these students are buying are not good for fedora it seems, they are moving to ubuntu for the same
18:16:08 <nirik> huh, fedora should install just fine I would think. Dunno about dual booting tho
18:16:09 <DiscordianUK> I have a efi/secureboot laptop
18:16:09 <kushal> and no one in our place knows anything about the same
18:16:23 <kushal> nirik, I mean dual booting
18:16:24 <DiscordianUK> Dual boot is tricky
18:16:25 <nirik> perhaps we could ping docs folks?
18:16:54 <kushal> nirik, that document/steps will be really helpful
18:17:15 <nirik> I agree. Just need to find someone who can/will write it. ;)
18:17:20 <dvanstone> or a way to put on a chrome device
18:17:21 <Khaytsus> The docs currently have win2k, server 2k, xp, and server 2003, vista, server 2008
18:17:24 <Khaytsus> Don't see win7 win 8
18:17:29 <DiscordianUK> Something like gummiboot would be , it exists but isn't in fedora
18:17:39 <Khaytsus> I don't have any EFI machines myself.
18:17:42 <DiscordianUK> be useful
18:17:55 <DiscordianUK> written by kay sievers
18:18:02 <nirik> gummitboot is in fedora. ;)
18:18:11 <DiscordianUK> Is it now?
18:18:22 <nirik> it doesn't have all the features grub2 does... I don't know that it can boot encrypted or handle lvm or lots of things.
18:18:28 <DiscordianUK> it wasn't last I looked
18:18:30 <nirik> and it's only efi, not bios at all.
18:18:38 <DiscordianUK> hmm I shall look
18:18:54 <nirik> something about mac/apple hardware would also be nice.
18:18:57 <DiscordianUK> I don't have a bios only box anyway
18:19:06 <DiscordianUK> and can't afford macs
18:19:20 <nirik> anyhow, please do try and find folks to write these things... :)
18:20:09 <nirik> anyhow, anything else, or shall we call it a meeting?
18:20:19 <DiscordianUK> I had to use efibootmgr after a failed f19 install to get anything to work
18:20:45 <mjg59> DiscordianUK: gummiboot does nothing to help here
18:21:03 <mjg59> An F19 install alongside a Windows 8 install on UEFI systems *should* work without any additional configuration
18:21:16 <DiscordianUK> That's interesting and you're one of our experts on UEFI
18:21:21 <nirik> cool. there you go. ;)
18:21:26 <mjg59> Since I'm not aware of any cases where it doesn't work, I don't have any suggestions for what to tell users who find it doesn't work
18:21:33 <mjg59> Other than to file bugs
18:21:37 <nirik> kushal: could you try and get folks to report bugs or tell you where it's not working?
18:22:25 <DiscordianUK> By fiddling with efibootmgr you can get f17/18/19 to multiboot
18:23:04 <mjg59> DiscordianUK: You should never need to do that
18:23:07 <kushal> nirik, ok, I will ask the students
18:23:14 <DiscordianUK> okay
18:23:20 <nirik> kushal / mjg59: thanks. ;)
18:23:37 * nirik will close out the meeting in a minute or two if nothing else.
18:24:22 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone!
18:24:26 <nirik> #endmeeting
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