EMEA Media, All desktop spins on one disc, All full install DVDs on one disc

[Sascha Thomas Spreitzer]

Dear freedorians,

we were researching the technical possibility of putting more then one
live cd on one disc.
The proof of concept succeded with these F13 compilations:
http://sspreitzer.fedorapeople.org/torrents/

Zoltan Hoppar and the media company in Munich came up with the idea to
use dual layered DVD discs, which will allow us to store arround 8.5
GB of data.
This is where we are a looking now at the following proposed future
Fedora compilations:

- All desktop spins and related archs on one disc. ( Gnome, KDE, LXDE,
XFCE, Moblin - i686, x86_64 - arround 7GB ) PoC succeded. Tested and
working.
- All installer data and related arch on one disc. ( Full Fedora -
i686, x86_64 - arround 6.5GB ) PoC needed! Blocked due to anaconda
installer options and data paths/devices ( stage2 / repo ).

I requested a pricing quote from the media company in Munich for the
upper scenario,
the result is ~1,000.00 EUR cost savings while producing the same
amount of media ( 5,000 pcs ).
http://sspreitzer.fedorapeople.org/mediaquotes/F14/quote_121010_DE.pdf

(We could even produce 10,000 pcs while staying in the budget for EMEA.)

My questions are:
- Can we solve the blocker on anaconda for the installer compilation?
- Should we start this approach by F14?

- By looking at F15, could we strip a "choose
live-desktop/arch/install" all-in-one dual layer disc?


Thoughts on hardware compatability:
By comment of the media company in Munich: Dual layer DVDs are not
compatible to all dvd players. But to most of them.
( Every DVD player who can play a movie DVD is likely compatible. )
In my humble opinion this is not a blocker for Fedora, which is about
being first and rapid releasing near to cutting edge.

-- 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / with kind regards,
Sascha Thomas Spreitzer

http://spreitzer.name/
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sspreitzer

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Lesen Sie hier, warum;
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[Paul W. Frields]

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 12:17:49PM +0200, Sascha Thomas Spreitzer wrote:
>  Dear freedorians,
>  
>  we were researching the technical possibility of putting more then one
>  live cd on one disc.
>  The proof of concept succeded with these F13 compilations:
>  http://sspreitzer.fedorapeople.org/torrents/
>  
>  Zoltan Hoppar and the media company in Munich came up with the idea to
>  use dual layered DVD discs, which will allow us to store arround 8.5
>  GB of data.
>  This is where we are a looking now at the following proposed future
>  Fedora compilations:
>  
>  - All desktop spins and related archs on one disc. ( Gnome, KDE, LXDE,
>  XFCE, Moblin - i686, x86_64 - arround 7GB ) PoC succeded. Tested and
>  working.
>  - All installer data and related arch on one disc. ( Full Fedora -
>  i686, x86_64 - arround 6.5GB ) PoC needed! Blocked due to anaconda
>  installer options and data paths/devices ( stage2 / repo ).
>  
>  I requested a pricing quote from the media company in Munich for the
>  upper scenario,
>  the result is ~1,000.00 EUR cost savings while producing the same
>  amount of media ( 5,000 pcs ).
>  http://sspreitzer.fedorapeople.org/mediaquotes/F14/quote_121010_DE.pdf
>  
>  (We could even produce 10,000 pcs while staying in the budget for EMEA.)
>  
>  My questions are:
>  - Can we solve the blocker on anaconda for the installer compilation?
>  - Should we start this approach by F14?
>  
>  - By looking at F15, could we strip a "choose
>  live-desktop/arch/install" all-in-one dual layer disc?
>  
>  
>  Thoughts on hardware compatability:
>  By comment of the media company in Munich: Dual layer DVDs are not
>  compatible to all dvd players. But to most of them.
>  ( Every DVD player who can play a movie DVD is likely compatible. )
>  In my humble opinion this is not a blocker for Fedora, which is about
>  being first and rapid releasing near to cutting edge. 
As we pursue and conquer the technical problems, we should also make
sure to raise the trademark issue with the Board and ensure that
they're supportive.  I may have missed that discussion, and if so I
apologize profusely and would love it if someone would send me a link,
so I can cure my ignorance! :-)

-- 
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[Bill Nottingham]

Sascha Thomas Spreitzer (sspreitzer(a)fedoraproject.org) said: 
>  Zoltan Hoppar and the media company in Munich came up with the idea
> to
>  use dual layered DVD discs, which will allow us to store arround 8.5
>  GB of data.
>  This is where we are a looking now at the following proposed future
>  Fedora compilations:
>  
>  - All desktop spins and related archs on one disc. ( Gnome, KDE, LXDE,
>  XFCE, Moblin - i686, x86_64 - arround 7GB ) PoC succeded. Tested and
>  working. 
Moderately curious - is this all live images separately, picked
via a boot menu, or a bigger live image that just includes all desktops,
and can be picked at the display manager?

(One of these is obviously simpler than the other.)

Bill