El dom., 28 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 19:41, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com> escribió:
Hello Julita, I wrote you: "send me the costs and I put these
into the
proposal" I didn't say in any time that you should create a new page.
Please, work together, this is the first thing you as a team have to do.
Learn to don't say "I" and say more "We" it's a good exercise
even if you
are the only person of a team, this does people feeling involved.
I am the initial promoter of this proposal and I'm looking for improve and
grow the community, since I showed it to the council and famsco I am
looking for a consensus between the ambassadors to improve the objectives
and agenda but it seems that you intend to impose your criteria creating a
new page without asking to others changing the schedule and other aspects
as justification, purpose, goals, etc.
I agree with Alex at this point, we want leadership in the people, not
people attracting attention.
Finally, as Alejandro and echevemaster says, the main idea for this FAD is
work in fedora related tasks and offer solutions, I put few talks to help
to get free venue within universities or other places but no as users
centric event.
If you guys want to include a user component, you can do the same that
Nicaragua did for invite people to Fudcon, visit some universities
explaining how it works Fedora community and why is interesting belonging
it. but please avoid become it in the main goal of the event -
El dom., 28 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 19:27, Anthony Mogrovejo <
tony001983(a)gmail.com> escribió:
> +1@echevemaster
>
>
>
> El 28 may. 2017 7:01 p. m., "Eduardo Javier Echeverria Alvarado" <
> echevemaster(a)gmail.com> escribió:
>
>
>
> El sáb., 27 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 22:19, yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com>
> escribió:
>
>> Hello LATAM and bex:
>>
>> I have facilities to celebrate the event in two private universities in
>> Lima such as PUCP and USIL.
>>
>
> Thanks for that.
>
>
>> Based on the prices that you can see on the wiki, I think the best
>> possibility is PUCP.
>> I dared to include outdoor activities to my guests and also a public
>> event to train new possible contributors in Lima
>>
>
> This is not a user event, this is a Fedora Activity Day, we don't will
> have talks neither workshops, we will work in fedora related tasks and
> offer solutions, so, please don't invite people outside to the FAD. We need
> be focused.
>
>
>> In case the majority of people do not agree, I also present 3 more
>> options because I know that I have to reduce prices for FAD.
>>
>
>
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
>
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
> Please remove one of the wiki pages, this could be lead to
> misunderstandings
>
>
>>
>>
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Lima2017
>>
>> Please feel free to comment and tell me how to make it better to
>> everyone.
>>
>
> Thanks for offering yourself for be one of the FAD organisers along with
>> Alex y Tonet, I'm sure you guys will do great, just join efforts and keep
>> the communication to be on the same page.
>>
>
>
>> Thanks,
>> Julita
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:00 PM, yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> OK I will send the proposal for Lima to be the organizer of FAD Lima
>>> 2017.
>>> It is OK that Tonet could be the Peru representative.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Julita
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:18 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good night, Yulytas, the actual proposal for Cusco is expensive, the
>>>> council and famsco recomend evaluate the posibility to change the place
to
>>>> Lima (the airfares can be cheaper but the hotel and food will be more
>>>> expensive than Cusco) for that reason We need your help to get the
prices
>>>> to do this evaluation.
>>>>
>>>> About your second question, We need a one representative by country,
>>>> specially an influential and active ambassador. I choosed to Tonet
because
>>>> he is an active ambassador, organized a FUDCon and has more badges in
Peru.
>>>> You can participate like observer, I will participate as helper only.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 18:02, Anthony Mogrovejo <
>>>> tony001983(a)gmail.com> escribió:
>>>>
>>>>> -1
>>>>>
>>>>> El 25 may. 2017 5:50 p. m., "yrazes"
<yrazes(a)gmail.com> escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok Alejandro, Bex and Lucena.
>>>>> I have seen recently the link that Alex just gave me
>>>>>
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
>>>>> It seems that everything is already arranged, including topics and
>>>>> costs.
>>>>> In that case I do not see why I have to arrange a FAD in USIL.
>>>>> Can I add my name on it to participate on July?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Julita
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
>>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all, I think is a good moment to clarify some things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I looked some FAD pages and it's true that these activities
hasn't a
>>>>>> promotional component (talks or workshops) but in this proposal I
included
>>>>>> a small part of talks to interact with users and students. The
second
>>>>>> purpose is to have the possibility of negotiations with a dean or
academic
>>>>>> coordinator to get a free or cheap venue for the ambassadors work
and talks
>>>>>> to users.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The talks hours are smaller than the other activities that are
>>>>>> important.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> El jue., 25 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 15:06, Brian Exelbierd <
>>>>>> bex(a)pobox.com> escribió:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017, at 09:38 PM, alejandro perez wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Julita,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Normally FAD's do not have a promotion event. There has
been two
>>>>>>> times where FAD budgets where requested and deny because they
contain some
>>>>>>> promotional event or time. That is why I want to make sure
you understand
>>>>>>> the limitation on FAD. It is not up to me to decide if the
event will be
>>>>>>> approve, therefore my intention is to consider the
possibility of no
>>>>>>> promotional event.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't don't know this history, but wearing my
council hat, I
>>>>>>> can't see why a promotion component would lead to
automatic denial.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, I would want to understand how this compent was good
for
>>>>>>> LATAM or the country or the city. I'd want to know how it
ties to the
>>>>>>> mission, if appropriate. I'd want to know how it will be
followed up or
>>>>>>> prepared for to ensure positive impact.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, my biggest concern would be that it be clear this
>>>>>>> promotion won't prevent the rest of the FAD from
accomplishing its goals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How ever you can do packaging workshops or translation sprint
(as
>>>>>>> example) with people that are already familiar with Fedora
and want to
>>>>>>> become contributors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This may work better with the FAD proposal, specially if you
have
>>>>>>> some people prepare for that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Fecha*: Thu, 25 May 2017 14:12:03 -0500
>>>>>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD proposal
improvement
>>>>>>> request
>>>>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors
<embajadores-fedor
>>>>>>>
<Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e>
>>>>>>> a-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>>>>>>>
<Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
>>>>>>> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
>>>>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
<yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e>>
>>>>>>> Hi Alejandro
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What I followed so far (please correct me in case I am
wrong), is
>>>>>>> that I could arrange in Lima a place with facilities as labs
with good
>>>>>>> Internet connection, searching hotels and restaurants for at
least 7
>>>>>>> ambassadors from LATAM (I do not know exactly who is invited
yet).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am also aware about the purspose of the meeting: to state
some
>>>>>>> procedures face to face in order to have a better Fedora
community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I mentioned the coliseum as part of the event (two hours for
the
>>>>>>> first day) because as you know I do per year at least five or
six events to
>>>>>>> promote Fedora and still people in Lima, we have a low
percentage of
>>>>>>> knowledge about Linux. And, because I can not go everywhere
all the time to
>>>>>>> do more workshops (because I also need to work), I did a free
online
>>>>>>> tutorial of Fedora to everyone in Backtrackacademy. [01]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I "though" that it could be great if I have the
honour to have all
>>>>>>> of you in Lima (Ambassadors with expertise in Fedora) I could
do one public
>>>>>>> event day with all of you as speakers and trainers that can
teach my local
>>>>>>> people to do real contributions as packaging, translations,
wiki
>>>>>>> manteiners, among other activities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The coliseum could be useful for the first two hours (for
install
>>>>>>> activities to everyone in Lima who is intersted in having
Fedora).
>>>>>>> Please believe me, if this activity is so simple for most of
us,
>>>>>>> for newbies is a challenge in case they have Wifi problems
and other
>>>>>>> technician issue that I know can happen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The second day (this plan is still in my head) we can do
more
>>>>>>> private meetings to set up (with a better view from the
previous day) the
>>>>>>> actions and plans to have a better community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know that before I have you online in my events but it is
not the
>>>>>>> same to have a face to face training or talk to somebody in
person.
>>>>>>> In this sense, I will always appreciate the labor of
Neville,
>>>>>>> because he is always available anytime to response with a
online talk to my
>>>>>>> people in Lima.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please let me know if Fedora still want me to do that event
in
>>>>>>> USIL, Lima, Peru in July to present a formal plan to the
authorities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Julita
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [01]
http://backtrackacademy.com/curso/iniciando-gnu-linux
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:35 PM, alejandro perez <
>>>>>>> aeperezt(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julita,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keep in mind this is a FAD it is dedicated to Fedora
Contributors
>>>>>>> (or interested parties) , to get together and produce some
results, not a
>>>>>>> promotional event, because of that it will be some sort of
close meeting,
>>>>>>> event do out side people are welcome cannot be a massive
event with talks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Fecha*: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:07:56 -0500
>>>>>>> *Asunto*: [Embajadores-fedora-latam] Re: FAD proposal
improvement
>>>>>>> request
>>>>>>> *Para*: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
>>>>>>> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>>>>>>>
<Latin%20American%20Fedora%20Ambassadors%20%3cembajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org%3e>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> Reply-to: Latin American Fedora Ambassadors <
>>>>>>> embajadores-fedora-latam(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
>>>>>>> *De*: yrazes <yrazes(a)gmail.com
<yrazes%20%3cyrazes(a)gmail.com%3e>>
>>>>>>> Hello Brian and ambassadors!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I work in USIL, it is a private university and because all
>>>>>>> the events I do, I have some contacts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have talk with the authorities at USIL to get a coliseum,
labs
>>>>>>> and auditorium.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
http://www.usil.edu.pe/sedes/universidad-san-ignacio-loyola-campus-la-molina
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I need dates and I also arranging a plan to follow since
>>>>>>> installation until Fedora workshops.
>>>>>>> I am going to check prices around for hotels and food.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please give me at least three days to do it :)
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Julita
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:47 AM, Brian Exelbierd
<bex(a)pobox.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, May 22, 2017, at 06:14 PM, Eduard Lucena wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Brian,
>>>>>>> Also there is a good discussion about this in the Spanish
version
>>>>>>> of this email. I think this idea is close to happen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cool. I'm. It suggesting a specific place so anywhere
appropriate
>>>>>>> and easy to fly to is great.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a non-Spanish speaker I don't follow the Spanish
discussions :).
>>>>>>> This is also A-OK :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Br,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2017-05-22 12:12 GMT-04:00 Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis <
>>>>>>> alleinerwolf(a)gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Brian, in the last meeting I requested someone to
propose
>>>>>>> another place inside or outside Peru to get a suitable venue
(and assume
>>>>>>> the logistic, auditorium, hotel, etc), but anybody propose
any place but I
>>>>>>> will to wait until tomorrow night.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you want to change the place, I can talk with ambassadors
from
>>>>>>> Lima (specially with bernardoha) I think he can get a
suitable place. The
>>>>>>> costs will decrease in at least 60 dollars by person.
>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> El lun., 22 de may. de 2017 a la(s) 09:59, Brian Exelbierd
<
>>>>>>> bex(a)pobox.com> escribió:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017, at 03:30 PM, Alex Irmel Oviedo Solis
wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good morning, as some of you know, I was working on a
proposal to
>>>>>>> carry out an organizational FAD in Cusco City, this proposal
was reviewed
>>>>>>> by some people as robyduck and bex then was presented to the
council giving
>>>>>>> a relative positive result, but the proposal needs some
improvements
>>>>>>> specially in the following terms:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Improvement of the agenda and to establish the clear
objectives.
>>>>>>> - Incorporate the ideas of FAMSco regarding the organization
of
>>>>>>> ambassadors and related topics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regarding the proposal itself, it can be reviewed at the
following
>>>>>>> link:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD:Cusco2017
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As can be read, the FAD proposes to solve several problems
like
>>>>>>> organizative, budgetary, strategic and logistical so help us
to be more
>>>>>>> efficient and effective.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> About the participants, I considered an ambassador for each
country
>>>>>>> that is active and / or influential in their country, so that
she/he can
>>>>>>> replicate (transmit) the agreements of the other
collaborators of their
>>>>>>> countries. If the ambassadors of some country consider that
they can be
>>>>>>> represented by another person we can change their
representative :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> About the dates, at first I put for the month of June but not
bex
>>>>>>> hasn't free time to attend the FAD and decided to change
for the month of
>>>>>>> July (13, 14 and 15) because in those days bex has time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> About the place, I consulted with the ambassadors of Peru
about the
>>>>>>> place and we chosen Cusco as the venue, if there is any other
proposal to
>>>>>>> change the place (inside or outside of Peru) the interested
people must
>>>>>>> commit to get an suitable place to the meetings, talks and
accomodation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With regards to place, I believe Itamar suggested in the
FAmSCo
>>>>>>> meeting that choosing a different city might result in lower
costs
>>>>>>> (especially for airfare). I think Lima was suggested. I
agree we need to
>>>>>>> have someone who is willing to own finding the place to meet
in whatever
>>>>>>> city we choose. I second the call for someone to stand up
and champion
>>>>>>> this if we can save the money reasonably.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Overall, this email is well stated and I hope there will be
good
>>>>>>> conversation in LATAM about this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bex
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * In summary, the FAD proposal can be improved in all its
aspects,
>>>>>>> therefore I request support to improve it and to have it
approved so that
>>>>>>> we can improve and grow the community. *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PS: Sorry for this big email
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greetings and thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>
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