It came to my attention recently that by having duplicate content at www.fedoraproject.com and fedoraproject.org that both would receive a lower ranking in google's system. As a result I've got everything redirecting to fedoraproject.org. My Google-fu isn't that great so I'd like to ask if anyone out there would like to do some research to find out how we can increase our hits. Would a robot file help? I honestly have no idea. Anyone interested?
-Mike
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 03:11:33PM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
It came to my attention recently that by having duplicate content at www.fedoraproject.com and fedoraproject.org that both would receive a lower ranking in google's system. As a result I've got everything redirecting to fedoraproject.org. My Google-fu isn't that great so I'd like to ask if anyone out there would like to do some research to find out how we can increase our hits. Would a robot file help? I honestly have no idea. Anyone interested?
Visiting https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools and adding a preferred domain for fedoraproject.org will probably help there.
From what I gather, duplicating content across sites can potentially
hurt rankings a bit. I would expect that this particular case would not make a noticeable difference, just because it's common enough that it's worthy of being special-cased by Google. :)
However, there are other things that can be done to improve search rankings: . Get people to link to pages on the site (the number one thing by far) . Make sure URLs (wiki page names) contain descriptive strings . Have META tags with useful keywords and descriptions . Have ALT tags on images with useful descriptions of the topic of the images . Set up a Google Sitemap (see the URL Kostas sent)
(The Wikipedia article on SEO has a more complete list, but you get the idea...)
It should be noted that www.fedoraproject.org is third on the search results for 'fedora' after fedora.redhat.com. The only 'competition' at this point is the fedora.redhat.com, so redirecting fedora.redhat.com (especially the homepage) to fedoraproject.org might help a lot in this particular situation. If there other searches that we'd like to rank higher on, then those should be analyzed separately.
Best, -- Elliot
On 3/19/07, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote:
It came to my attention recently that by having duplicate content at www.fedoraproject.com and fedoraproject.org that both would receive a lower ranking in google's system. As a result I've got everything redirecting to fedoraproject.org. My Google-fu isn't that great so I'd like to ask if anyone out there would like to do some research to find out how we can increase our hits. Would a robot file help? I honestly have no idea. Anyone interested?
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 18:36 -0400, Elliot Lee wrote:
redirecting
fedora.redhat.com (especially the homepage) to fedoraproject.org might help a lot in this particular situation.
Done and looking pretty good. Thanks to all for your help. I'm quite happy that we now have a single documentation URL:
Next step is a CMS. :)
- Karsten
Karsten Wade wrote:
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 18:36 -0400, Elliot Lee wrote:
redirecting
fedora.redhat.com (especially the homepage) to fedoraproject.org might help a lot in this particular situation.
Done and looking pretty good. Thanks to all for your help. I'm quite happy that we now have a single documentation URL:
Next step is a CMS. :)
Next step would be having a consistent look similar to fedoraproject.org instead of inheriting it from fedora.redhat.com and making it look odd and different.
Rahul
Just a tiny follow-up - it looks like the redirects are currently HTTP code 302 (temporary redirect), and should really be 301 (permanently moved). If using Apache and mod_redirect, just change 'Redirect' to 'Redirect permanent'.
http://www.seotoday.com/browse.php/category/articles/id/477/index.php
Best, -- Elliot
On 3/20/07, Karsten Wade kwade@redhat.com wrote:
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 18:36 -0400, Elliot Lee wrote:
redirecting
fedora.redhat.com (especially the homepage) to fedoraproject.org might help a lot in this particular situation.
Done and looking pretty good. Thanks to all for your help. I'm quite happy that we now have a single documentation URL:
Next step is a CMS. :)
Elliot Lee wrote:
Just a tiny follow-up - it looks like the redirects are currently HTTP code 302 (temporary redirect), and should really be 301 (permanently moved). If using Apache and mod_redirect, just change 'Redirect' to 'Redirect permanent'.
http://www.seotoday.com/browse.php/category/articles/id/477/index.php
I've sent an email about this, hope to have it changed or at least hear back soon.
-Mike
Just look around for topic "google SEO" (Search engine optimization). It's always good to know something about it.:)
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Mike McGrath wrote:
It came to my attention recently that by having duplicate content at www.fedoraproject.com and fedoraproject.org that both would receive a lower ranking in google's system. As a result I've got everything redirecting to fedoraproject.org. My Google-fu isn't that great so I'd like to ask if anyone out there would like to do some research to find out how we can increase our hits. Would a robot file help? I honestly have no idea. Anyone interested?
-Mike
Adam Pribyl
Adam Pribyl wrote:
Just look around for topic "google SEO" (Search engine optimization). It's always good to know something about it.:)
Yes, there are many things I could do. The reason I sent this email is because I was wondering if someone ELSE was interested in doing it, I'm busy :) A sitemap.xml would be good to have. It'd be a great way to get involved with either the websites team or infrastructure team or both.
-Mike
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 08:41:57AM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
Adam Pribyl wrote:
Just look around for topic "google SEO" (Search engine optimization). It's always good to know something about it.:)
Yes, there are many things I could do. The reason I sent this email is because I was wondering if someone ELSE was interested in doing it, I'm busy :) A sitemap.xml would be good to have. It'd be a great way to get involved with either the websites team or infrastructure team or both.
Getting a sitemap from the wiki is easy http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/?action=sitemap :) it gives links of the form http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/wiki/Infrastructure (which they work for some strange reason) but it shouldn't be too hard to fix. It's probably a good idea to sumbit one since moinmoin use a content=nofollow on most pages so it's possible although unlikely that some pages have not been indexed.
I can have a look if nobody else is interested.
Kostas
Kostas Georgiou wrote:
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 08:41:57AM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
Adam Pribyl wrote:
Just look around for topic "google SEO" (Search engine optimization). It's always good to know something about it.:)
Yes, there are many things I could do. The reason I sent this email is because I was wondering if someone ELSE was interested in doing it, I'm busy :) A sitemap.xml would be good to have. It'd be a great way to get involved with either the websites team or infrastructure team or both.
Getting a sitemap from the wiki is easy http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/?action=sitemap :) it gives links of the form http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/wiki/Infrastructure (which they work for some strange reason) but it shouldn't be too hard to fix. It's probably a good idea to sumbit one since moinmoin use a content=nofollow on most pages so it's possible although unlikely that some pages have not been indexed.
I can have a look if nobody else is interested.
Thanks, actually jmtaylor already volunteered just this morning.
-Mike
Mike McGrath wrote:
Kostas Georgiou wrote:
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 08:41:57AM -0500, Mike McGrath wrote:
Adam Pribyl wrote:
Just look around for topic "google SEO" (Search engine optimization). It's always good to know something about it.:)
Yes, there are many things I could do. The reason I sent this email is because I was wondering if someone ELSE was interested in doing it, I'm busy :) A sitemap.xml would be good to have. It'd be a great way to get involved with either the websites team or infrastructure team or both.
Getting a sitemap from the wiki is easy http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/?action=sitemap :) it gives links of the form http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/wiki/Infrastructure (which they work for some strange reason) but it shouldn't be too hard to fix. It's probably a good idea to sumbit one since moinmoin use a content=nofollow on most pages so it's possible although unlikely that some pages have not been indexed.
I can have a look if nobody else is interested.
Thanks, actually jmtaylor already volunteered just this morning.
More people working on the same thing can't hurt as long as you can coordinate in this.
Rahul
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