FAS3/MM2 FAD

[Pierre-Yves Chibon]

Hi Everyone,

So here is where we are on the FAS3/MM2 FAD.

Location: Raleigh (airport: RDU)
Dates: December 2nd to December 9th
  Divided in two parts
    Dec 3rd to Dec 5th -> MirrorManager2
    Dec 6th to Dec 8th -> FAS3

This way those interested in both topics can be present for the whole week, the
others can be present for only part of it.


Attendants (airport of origin):
  pingou: TLS
  Xavier: CDG
  Patrick: AMS
  Toshio: LAX  ?
  David: SEA
  Ralph: ROC
  Matt: HOU  ?
  Dennis: CHI  ?
  Kevin: DEN
  Luke: DEN

Travel budget (Prices found on orbitz.com):
► Raleigh
  TLS -> RDU => ~$957 - Delta
  CDG -> RDU => ~$940 - American Airlines
  AMS -> RDU => ~$692 - Delta
  LAX -> RDU => ~$355 - Delta
  SEA -> RDU => ~$510 - Delta
  ROC -> RDU => ~$260 - Delta
  CHI -> RDU => ~$230 - United Airlines
  HOU -> RDU => ~$320 - Delta
  DEN -> RDU => ~$295 - Delta
  DEN -> RDU => ~$295 - Delta
                ------
                 $4854

TODO:
* Confirm location and dates with Matt
* Confirm location and dates with Toshio
  -> I will email them
* Find hotel/housing (Paul any idea?)
* Find social events
* Submit budget to FPL for approval
* Book ticket
* Travel, hack and enjoy :)


Cheers,
Pierre

[Pierre-Yves Chibon]

On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 11:37:44AM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>  Hi Everyone,
>  
>  So here is where we are on the FAS3/MM2 FAD.
>  
>  Location: Raleigh (airport: RDU)
>  Dates: December 2nd to December 9th
>    Divided in two parts
>      Dec 3rd to Dec 5th -> MirrorManager2 
Actually, I see on the wiki that I had planned Dec 3rd to be a "social" day to
recover from the travel/jet-lag, do some sightseeing and start to settle down.
I think that was because Matt has agreed for the 4th and 5th (I'll confirm with
him).

Pierre


>      Dec 6th to Dec 8th -> FAS3
>  
>  This way those interested in both topics can be present for the whole week, the
>  others can be present for only part of it.
>  
>  
>  Attendants (airport of origin):
>    pingou: TLS
>    Xavier: CDG
>    Patrick: AMS
>    Toshio: LAX  ?
>    David: SEA
>    Ralph: ROC
>    Matt: HOU  ?
>    Dennis: CHI  ?
>    Kevin: DEN
>    Luke: DEN
>  
>  Travel budget (Prices found on orbitz.com):
>  ► Raleigh
>    TLS -> RDU => ~$957 - Delta
>    CDG -> RDU => ~$940 - American Airlines
>    AMS -> RDU => ~$692 - Delta
>    LAX -> RDU => ~$355 - Delta
>    SEA -> RDU => ~$510 - Delta
>    ROC -> RDU => ~$260 - Delta
>    CHI -> RDU => ~$230 - United Airlines
>    HOU -> RDU => ~$320 - Delta
>    DEN -> RDU => ~$295 - Delta
>    DEN -> RDU => ~$295 - Delta
>                  ------
>                   $4854
>  
>  TODO:
>  * Confirm location and dates with Matt
>  * Confirm location and dates with Toshio
>    -> I will email them
>  * Find hotel/housing (Paul any idea?)
>  * Find social events
>  * Submit budget to FPL for approval
>  * Book ticket
>  * Travel, hack and enjoy :)
>  
>  
>  Cheers,
>  Pierre
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>  infrastructure(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
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[Paul W. Frields]

On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 11:47:37AM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>  On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 11:37:44AM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>  > Hi Everyone,
>  > 
>  > So here is where we are on the FAS3/MM2 FAD.
>  > 
>  > Location: Raleigh (airport: RDU)
>  > Dates: December 2nd to December 9th
>  >   Divided in two parts
>  >     Dec 3rd to Dec 5th -> MirrorManager2
>  
>  Actually, I see on the wiki that I had planned Dec 3rd to be a "social" day to
>  recover from the travel/jet-lag, do some sightseeing and start to settle down.
>  I think that was because Matt has agreed for the 4th and 5th (I'll confirm with
>  him).
>  
>  Pierre
>  
>  
>  >     Dec 6th to Dec 8th -> FAS3
>  > 
>  > This way those interested in both topics can be present for the whole week, the
>  > others can be present for only part of it.
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Attendants (airport of origin):
>  >   pingou: TLS
>  >   Xavier: CDG
>  >   Patrick: AMS
>  >   Toshio: LAX  ?
>  >   David: SEA
>  >   Ralph: ROC
>  >   Matt: HOU  ?
>  >   Dennis: CHI  ?
>  >   Kevin: DEN
>  >   Luke: DEN
>  > 
>  > Travel budget (Prices found on orbitz.com):
>  > ► Raleigh
>  >   TLS -> RDU => ~$957 - Delta
>  >   CDG -> RDU => ~$940 - American Airlines
>  >   AMS -> RDU => ~$692 - Delta
>  >   LAX -> RDU => ~$355 - Delta
>  >   SEA -> RDU => ~$510 - Delta
>  >   ROC -> RDU => ~$260 - Delta
>  >   CHI -> RDU => ~$230 - United Airlines
>  >   HOU -> RDU => ~$320 - Delta
>  >   DEN -> RDU => ~$295 - Delta
>  >   DEN -> RDU => ~$295 - Delta
>  >                 ------
>  >                  $4854
>  > 
>  > TODO:
>  > * Confirm location and dates with Matt 
I got in touch with Matt in a separate email to make sure RDU wouldn't
be an immediate blocker for him.  He said the travel shouldn't be a
problem.  However, go ahead and confirm the exact dates with him
anyway.

>  > * Confirm location and dates with Toshio
>  >   -> I will email them
>  > * Find hotel/housing (Paul any idea?) 
We can get a block at the nearby Marriott through internal resources.
Just need to know how many rooms and for which dates.  I'll email
Pierre separately with internal info needed to use Red Hat's rate at
the hotel.

>  > * Find social events
>  > * Submit budget to FPL for approval
>  > * Book ticket
>  > * Travel, hack and enjoy :) 
-- 
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[Xavier Lamien]

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Pierre-Yves Chibon <pingou(a)pingoured.fr&gt;
wrote:

>  Hi Everyone,
>
>  So here is where we are on the FAS3/MM2 FAD.
>
>  Location: Raleigh (airport: RDU)
>  Dates: December 2nd to December 9th
>    Divided in two parts
>      Dec 3rd to Dec 5th -> MirrorManager2
>      Dec 6th to Dec 8th -> FAS3
>  
Since I've no more day-off this years I'll need to deal with my employer to
get some.
 so, I'm not sure if I can make it or not, will let you know.


>  This way those interested in both topics can be present for the
> whole
>  week, the
>  others can be present for only part of it.
>
>
>  Attendants (airport of origin):
>    pingou: TLS
>    Xavier: CDG
>    Patrick: AMS
>    Toshio: LAX  ?
>    David: SEA
>    Ralph: ROC
>    Matt: HOU  ?
>    Dennis: CHI  ?
>    Kevin: DEN
>    Luke: DEN
>
>  Travel budget (Prices found on orbitz.com):
>  ► Raleigh
>    TLS -> RDU => ~$957 - Delta
>    CDG -> RDU => ~$940 - American Airlines
>    AMS -> RDU => ~$692 - Delta
>    LAX -> RDU => ~$355 - Delta
>    SEA -> RDU => ~$510 - Delta
>    ROC -> RDU => ~$260 - Delta
>    CHI -> RDU => ~$230 - United Airlines
>    HOU -> RDU => ~$320 - Delta
>    DEN -> RDU => ~$295 - Delta
>    DEN -> RDU => ~$295 - Delta
>                  ------
>                   $4854
>
>  
I'm not picky on the location. RDU is fine.

In the mean time, I'll update what we can do at FAD for fas3 as it's gonna
a major update
there will be a lot to deal with even for a pre-release launch except if
you intend to not have food
and sleep for 3 day ;)

-- 
Xavier.t

[Pierre-Yves Chibon]

On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 12:17:16AM +0200, Xavier Lamien wrote:
>     On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Pierre-Yves Chibon
> <pingou(a)pingoured.fr&gt;
>     wrote:
>  
>       Hi Everyone,
>  
>       So here is where we are on the FAS3/MM2 FAD.
>  
>       Location: Raleigh (airport: RDU)
>       Dates: December 2nd to December 9th
>       A  Divided in two parts
>       A  A  Dec 3rd to Dec 5th -> MirrorManager2
>       A  A  Dec 6th to Dec 8th -> FAS3
>  
>     Since I've no more day-off this years I'll need to deal with my employer
>     to get some.
>     A so, I'm not sure if I can make it or not, will let you know. 
Hi Xavier,

Thanks for letting us know.
Would you have any idea when you would know if you can make it? (as in, in few
days or in few weeks?)


Pierre

[Xavier Lamien]

I would say in a few weeks. Didn't have time to talk about @dayjob
unfortunately :(

On 10/9/14, Pierre-Yves Chibon <pingou(a)pingoured.fr&gt; wrote:
>  On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 12:17:16AM +0200, Xavier Lamien wrote:
> >    On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Pierre-Yves Chibon
> > <pingou(a)pingoured.fr&gt;
> >    wrote:
> >
> >      Hi Everyone,
> >
> >      So here is where we are on the FAS3/MM2 FAD.
> >
> >      Location: Raleigh (airport: RDU)
> >      Dates: December 2nd to December 9th
> >      A  Divided in two parts
> >      A  A  Dec 3rd to Dec 5th -> MirrorManager2
> >      A  A  Dec 6th to Dec 8th -> FAS3
> >
> >    Since I've no more day-off this years I'll need to deal with my
> > employer
> >    to get some.
> >    A so, I'm not sure if I can make it or not, will let you know.
>
>  Hi Xavier,
>
>  Thanks for letting us know.
>  Would you have any idea when you would know if you can make it? (as in, in
>  few
>  days or in few weeks?)
>
>
>  Pierre
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[Pierre-Yves Chibon]

On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 11:37:44AM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>  TODO:
>  * Confirm location and dates with Matt
>  * Confirm location and dates with Toshio
>    -> I will email them 
Matt confirmed that he is planning on attending and will make his own travel
arrangements.

Toshio isn't sure yet, should get back to me on this on Friday.


If neither Toshio nor Xavier can make it, should we make the FAD a little
shorter and focused on MirrorManager2 only?


Pierre

[Paul W. Frields]

On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 09:39:50AM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>  On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 11:37:44AM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>  > TODO:
>  > * Confirm location and dates with Matt
>  > * Confirm location and dates with Toshio
>  >   -> I will email them
>  
>  Matt confirmed that he is planning on attending and will make his own travel
>  arrangements.
>  
>  Toshio isn't sure yet, should get back to me on this on Friday.
>  
>  
>  If neither Toshio nor Xavier can make it, should we make the FAD a little
>  shorter and focused on MirrorManager2 only? 
This is a possibility.  It might also be possible to have a "Plan B"
application if the right people are present.  Preferably this would be
something on the Fedora.next critical path, so we get maximum value
from the FAD event.

I wanted to raise two additional issues:

(1) A budget is needed for this event very soon if the event will
happen December 4-9.  It's less than two months away, and flight costs
are likely to rise imminently.  The attendance roster and costs need
to be finalized so the budget can be established and approved.

(2) I'm not sure this timeframe will work well for Fedora release
engineering.  There is a release scheduled for December 2, and whether
there's any further slip in the F21 release schedule, travel around
this event would raise unnecessary challenges with the release.  How
vital is a rel-eng representative for MirrorManager hacking?

-- 
Paul W. Frields                                http://paul.frields.org/
  gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233  5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717
  http://redhat.com/   -  -  -  -   http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/
    The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

[Pierre-Yves Chibon]

On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 03:20:06PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>  On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 09:39:50AM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>  > On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 11:37:44AM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>  > > TODO:
>  > > * Confirm location and dates with Matt
>  > > * Confirm location and dates with Toshio
>  > >   -> I will email them
>  > 
>  > Matt confirmed that he is planning on attending and will make his own travel
>  > arrangements.
>  > 
>  > Toshio isn't sure yet, should get back to me on this on Friday.
>  > 
>  > If neither Toshio nor Xavier can make it, should we make the FAD a little
>  > shorter and focused on MirrorManager2 only?
>  
>  This is a possibility.  It might also be possible to have a "Plan B"
>  application if the right people are present.  Preferably this would be
>  something on the Fedora.next critical path, so we get maximum value
>  from the FAD event. 
Potential plan B:
- hackfest on the ansible migration
- hackfest on the el7 migration
- hackfest on atomic's infrastructure?
- ?

>  I wanted to raise two additional issues:
>  
>  (1) A budget is needed for this event very soon if the event will
>  happen December 4-9.  It's less than two months away, and flight costs
>  are likely to rise imminently.  The attendance roster and costs need
>  to be finalized so the budget can be established and approved. 
Unless we replace some people in the current budget with others (with different
travel costs), we have probably an "upper limit" budget, which could only go
down if less people come or if we make it shorter.

>  (2) I'm not sure this timeframe will work well for Fedora
> release
>  engineering.  There is a release scheduled for December 2, and whether
>  there's any further slip in the F21 release schedule, travel around
>  this event would raise unnecessary challenges with the release.  How
>  vital is a rel-eng representative for MirrorManager hacking? 
I had added Dennis to the list of potential attendee because he mentionned once
to me wanted to the involved in the design of how FAS3 generates the certs used
to upload to the dist-git.
But if the FAS part does not happen, then I don't think there is much interest
for him to be involved in the MirrorManager part.
Dennis comes back to the US on Dec 2nd, so technically he would be able to make
it but that would be up to him.


Pierre

[Pierre-Yves Chibon]

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 08:21:21AM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>  On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 03:20:06PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>  > On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 09:39:50AM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>  > > On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 11:37:44AM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>  > > > TODO:
>  > > > * Confirm location and dates with Matt
>  > > > * Confirm location and dates with Toshio
>  > > >   -> I will email them
>  > > 
>  > > Matt confirmed that he is planning on attending and will make his own travel
>  > > arrangements.
>  > > 
>  > > Toshio isn't sure yet, should get back to me on this on Friday.
>  > > 
>  > > If neither Toshio nor Xavier can make it, should we make the FAD a little
>  > > shorter and focused on MirrorManager2 only?
>  > 
>  > This is a possibility.  It might also be possible to have a "Plan B"
>  > application if the right people are present.  Preferably this would be
>  > something on the Fedora.next critical path, so we get maximum value
>  > from the FAD event.
>  
>  Potential plan B:
>  - hackfest on the ansible migration
>  - hackfest on the el7 migration
>  - hackfest on atomic's infrastructure?
>  - ? 
If we move to one of these topics, the list of potential attendants would
become:

pingou: TLS
Patrick: AMS
David: SEA
Ralph: ROC
Matt: HOU
Kevin: DEN
Smooge: ABQ


Luke: DEN ?

Travel budget then becomes:
► Raleigh
  TLS -> RDU => ~$957 - Delta
  AMS -> RDU => ~$692 - Delta
  SEA -> RDU => ~$510 - Delta
  ROC -> RDU => ~$260 - Delta
  CHI -> RDU => ~$230 - United Airlines
  HOU -> RDU =>  $0   - Matt said he was taking care of it himself 
  DEN -> RDU => ~$295 - Delta
  ABQ -> RDU => ~$400 - Delta
                ------
                 $3344
With Luke
  DEN -> RDU => ~$295 - Delta
                ------
                 $3639

Note: prices might vary a little, I kept the Dec 2nd to Dec 9th dates for all
the travels here (and except for ABQ -> RDU they are from Oct 7th).

Paul, do you have the info for the hotel rates?


Pierre

[Paul W. Frields]

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 05:06:35PM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>  On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 08:21:21AM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>  > On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 03:20:06PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>  > > On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 09:39:50AM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>  > > > On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 11:37:44AM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>  > > > > TODO:
>  > > > > * Confirm location and dates with Matt
>  > > > > * Confirm location and dates with Toshio
>  > > > >   -> I will email them
>  > > > 
>  > > > Matt confirmed that he is planning on attending and will make his own
> travel
>  > > > arrangements.
>  > > > 
>  > > > Toshio isn't sure yet, should get back to me on this on Friday.
>  > > > 
>  > > > If neither Toshio nor Xavier can make it, should we make the FAD a little
>  > > > shorter and focused on MirrorManager2 only?
>  > > 
>  > > This is a possibility.  It might also be possible to have a "Plan B"
>  > > application if the right people are present.  Preferably this would be
>  > > something on the Fedora.next critical path, so we get maximum value
>  > > from the FAD event.
>  > 
>  > Potential plan B:
>  > - hackfest on the ansible migration
>  > - hackfest on the el7 migration
>  > - hackfest on atomic's infrastructure?
>  > - ?
>  
>  If we move to one of these topics, the list of potential attendants would
>  become:
>  
>  pingou: TLS
>  Patrick: AMS
>  David: SEA
>  Ralph: ROC
>  Matt: HOU
>  Kevin: DEN
>  Smooge: ABQ
>  
>  
>  Luke: DEN ?
>  
>  Travel budget then becomes:
>  ► Raleigh
>    TLS -> RDU => ~$957 - Delta
>    AMS -> RDU => ~$692 - Delta
>    SEA -> RDU => ~$510 - Delta
>    ROC -> RDU => ~$260 - Delta
>    CHI -> RDU => ~$230 - United Airlines
>    HOU -> RDU =>  $0   - Matt said he was taking care of it himself 
>    DEN -> RDU => ~$295 - Delta
>    ABQ -> RDU => ~$400 - Delta
>                  ------
>                   $3344
>  With Luke
>    DEN -> RDU => ~$295 - Delta
>                  ------
>                   $3639
>  
>  Note: prices might vary a little, I kept the Dec 2nd to Dec 9th dates for all
>  the travels here (and except for ABQ -> RDU they are from Oct 7th).
>  
>  Paul, do you have the info for the hotel rates? 
It should be $149 at the Sheraton Raleigh for each double occupancy
room.  The hotel is a very short walk to the office, practically just
across the street.

I separately sent Pierre a link to an internal Red Hat page that
includes a bunch of other facilities and planning info for Red Hat
Tower and Raleigh, NC visitors.

-- 
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[Dennis Gilmore]

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On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 08:21:21 +0200
Pierre-Yves Chibon <pingou(a)pingoured.fr&gt; wrote:

>  On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 03:20:06PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>  > On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 09:39:50AM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>  > > On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 11:37:44AM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon
>  > > wrote:
>  > > > TODO:
>  > > > * Confirm location and dates with Matt
>  > > > * Confirm location and dates with Toshio
>  > > >   -> I will email them
>  > > 
>  > > Matt confirmed that he is planning on attending and will make his
>  > > own travel arrangements.
>  > > 
>  > > Toshio isn't sure yet, should get back to me on this on Friday.
>  > > 
>  > > If neither Toshio nor Xavier can make it, should we make the FAD
>  > > a little shorter and focused on MirrorManager2 only?
>  > 
>  > This is a possibility.  It might also be possible to have a "Plan B"
>  > application if the right people are present.  Preferably this would
>  > be something on the Fedora.next critical path, so we get maximum
>  > value from the FAD event.
>  
>  Potential plan B:
>  - hackfest on the ansible migration
>  - hackfest on the el7 migration
>  - hackfest on atomic's infrastructure?
>  - ?
>  
>  > I wanted to raise two additional issues:
>  > 
>  > (1) A budget is needed for this event very soon if the event will
>  > happen December 4-9.  It's less than two months away, and flight
>  > costs are likely to rise imminently.  The attendance roster and
>  > costs need to be finalized so the budget can be established and
>  > approved.
>  
>  Unless we replace some people in the current budget with others (with
>  different travel costs), we have probably an "upper limit" budget,
>  which could only go down if less people come or if we make it shorter.
>  
>  > (2) I'm not sure this timeframe will work well for Fedora release
>  > engineering.  There is a release scheduled for December 2, and
>  > whether there's any further slip in the F21 release schedule,
>  > travel around this event would raise unnecessary challenges with
>  > the release.  How vital is a rel-eng representative for
>  > MirrorManager hacking?
>  
>  I had added Dennis to the list of potential attendee because he
>  mentionned once to me wanted to the involved in the design of how
>  FAS3 generates the certs used to upload to the dist-git.
>  But if the FAS part does not happen, then I don't think there is much
>  interest for him to be involved in the MirrorManager part.
>  Dennis comes back to the US on Dec 2nd, so technically he would be
>  able to make it but that would be up to him.
>  
I am returning to the US on December 3rd not second I also am not in
Chicago.

Dennis
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[Pierre-Yves Chibon]

On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 09:39:50AM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>  On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 11:37:44AM +0200, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>  > TODO:
>  > * Confirm location and dates with Matt
>  > * Confirm location and dates with Toshio
>  >   -> I will email them
>  
>  Matt confirmed that he is planning on attending and will make his own travel
>  arrangements.
>  
>  Toshio isn't sure yet, should get back to me on this on Friday. 
So Toshio confirmed not being able to come due to work obligation at that time.
I think we can postpone the FAS3 part to another date for now.


Pierre