Re: [fedora-java] Circular dependencies in BuildRequires

[Sérgio Basto]

Hi,
sorry I fail to send to ML in first time 

On Seg, 2014-08-25 at 10:32 -0400, Michael Simacek wrote: 
>  
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  > From: "Sérgio Basto" <sergio(a)serjux.com&gt;
>  > To: "Michael Simacek" <msimacek(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 3:33:46 PM
>  > Subject: Re: [fedora-java] Circular dependencies in BuildRequires
>  > 
>  > On Dom, 2014-08-24 at 13:18 -0400, Michael Simacek wrote:
>  > > ----- Original Message -----
>  > > > From: "Sérgio Basto" <sergio(a)serjux.com&gt;
>  > > > To: java-devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  > > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 6:33:36 PM
>  > > > Subject: [fedora-java] Circular dependencies in BuildRequires
>  > > > 
>  > > > Hi,
>  > > > I'm trying bring eclipse 4.4 to Fedora 20 [1]
>  > > > 
>  > > > eclipse need jetty , jetty needs objectweb-asm 5 , normally I do :
>  > > >    fedpkg clone $package
>  > > >    cd $package
>  > > >    fedpkg switch-branch f21;fedpkg srpm ; mock -r fedora-20-x86_64
>  > > > --no-clean --rebuild ./$package.fc21.src.rpm
>  > > > 
>  > > > So I build objectweb-asm 5 , after that I can't almost build anything
>  > > > because multiple dependencies
>  > > > 
>  > > > jdependency [2] needs   maven-plugin-tools , hawtjni, plexus-containers
>  > > > that need be rebuild for new objectweb-asm
>  > > > 
>  > > > hawtjni-1.10-2.fc21 [3] needs maven-plugin-tools
>  > > > 
>  > > > maven-dependency-analyzer [4] needs maven-plugin-tools, hawtjni etc
>  > > > 
>  > > > maven-plugin-tools can't be build because depends on maven
>  > > > 
>  > > > maven depends on sisu, sisu-mojos and maven-wagon
>  > > > 
>  > > > sisu depends on javapackages-tools-4.1.0
>  > > > 
>  > > > javapackages-tools have an error that BuildRequires:  javapackages-tools
>  > > > >= 4.0.0 , impossible , but removing it depends on xmvn-resolve >=
>  > > > 2.0.0
>  > > > 
>  > > > repoquery --releasever=21 xmvn-resolve --source
>  > > > xmvn-2.0.1-1.fc21.src.rpm
>  > > > xmvn depends on maven >= 3.2.1-10 and sisu-mojos
>  > > > 
>  > > > how we build it on a new arch or from scratch ? I try looking for
>  > > > bootstrap some packages have references to bootstraping but no flags
>  > > > on .spec
>  > > 
>  > > We generally don't need to really build it from scratch. Most Java
> packages
>  > > are noarch,
>  > > so they already should work on the new arch. We just need to import them
>  > > and then
>  > > do proper rebuild from source when all the dependencies are satisfied.
>  > 
>  > ok how I compile all in Fedora 20 ?
>  
>  I'm afraid for bootstraping from scratch you'll need some hack like:
>  1. Temporarily bundle pre-built JARs for the packages instead of building them from
> source so
>     other pacakges can use them as a dependency.
>  2. When all the packages in the dependency cycle are built like this, remove bundled
> stuff
>     and rebuild them properly from source, because now they can use dependencies from
> point 1.
>  
>  But I still don't understand why you want to do it from scratch. Why don't you
>  use objectweb-asm3, javapackages-tools, sisu etc. from F20?
>  You don't need newer versions of these, do you? 
I need update sisu to have sisu-mojos for compile maven-3.2.2, that
requires it, and I'm stuck here btw. 
I can't build sisu-0.2.1 on Fedora 20 but now, it seems to me, that is a
problem with %mvn_build macro rpm, because all packages that I want
rebuild ends with : 
java.lang.RuntimeException: Failed to load XMvn configuration

I'm sending sisu-0.2.1 to build in copr for us see the build error on : 

http://copr-be.cloud.fedoraproject.org/results/sergiomb/eclipse_4.4/fedor...



>  > 
>  > 
>  > > Eclipse 4.4 is already available for Fedora 20 in Mat Booth's Copr:
>  > > http://copr-fe.cloud.fedoraproject.org/coprs/mbooth/eclipse-luna/
>  > 
>  > I don't like the approaching and have a second eclipse , I "need"
>  > eclipse 4.4 as an upgrade of eclipse of the system
>  > 
>  > please see status of my tries in
>  > http://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/sergiomb/eclipse_4.4/builds/
>  > 
>  > I understand that objectweb-asm only can build it after have
>  > objectweb-asm3 , I try bootstrap some packages .
>  > 
>  > Now in a circular dependencies of sisu and xmvn , xmvn > 2 needs sisu >
>  > 0.2.1
>  >  
>  > > > I try compile also objectweb-asm3 , objectweb-asm3.spec have a big bug
>  > > > IMHO
>  > > > # shade-jar utility used in this spec file needs this
>  > > > BuildRequires:  objectweb-asm3
>  > > > 
>  > > > repoquery --releasever=21 -f /usr/bin/shade-jar  --source
>  > > > javapackages-tools-4.1.0-2.fc21.src.rpm
>  > > > 
>  > > > but correctly, I think that should be:
>  > > > BuildRequires:  /usr/bin/shade-jar
>  > > > 
>  > > > but we don't have any shade-jar in Fedora 20 , can we remove
> shade-jar
>  > > > scripting from spec ?
>  > > 
>  > > shade-jar script is part of javapackages-tools and it needs
>  > > objectweb-asm3-processor to work,
>  > > but javapackages-tools don't Require it (most likely to not increase
>  > > install size).
>  > > 
>  > > 
>  > > Michael Simacek
>  > > 
>  > > > 
>  > > > 
>  > > > any feedback is welcome !
>  > > > 
>  > > > Thanks,
>  > > > 
>  > > > [1]
>  > > > http://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/sergiomb/eclipse_4.4/builds/
>  > > > 
>  > > > [2]
>  > > >
> http://copr-be.cloud.fedoraproject.org/results/sergiomb/eclipse_4.4/fedor...
>  > > > [3]
>  > > >
> http://copr-be.cloud.fedoraproject.org/results/sergiomb/eclipse_4.4/fedor...
>  > > > [4]
>  > > >
> http://copr-be.cloud.fedoraproject.org/results/sergiomb/eclipse_4.4/fedor...
>  > > > 
>  > > > 
>  > > > --
>  > > > Sérgio M. B.
>  > > > 
>  > > > --
>  > > > java-devel mailing list
>  > > > java-devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  > > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/java-devel
>  > 
>  > --
>  > Sérgio M. B.
>  > 
>  > --
>  > Sérgio M. B. 
-- 
Sérgio M. B.

Circular dependencies in BuildRequires

[Mat Booth]

On 25 August 2014 18:15, Sérgio Basto <sergio(a)serjux.com&gt; wrote:

>  Hi,
>  sorry I fail to send to ML in first time
>
>  On Seg, 2014-08-25 at 10:32 -0400, Michael Simacek wrote:
>  >
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > > From: "Sérgio Basto" <sergio(a)serjux.com&gt;
>  > > To: "Michael Simacek" <msimacek(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 3:33:46 PM
>  > > Subject: Re: [fedora-java] Circular dependencies in BuildRequires
>  > >
>  > > On Dom, 2014-08-24 at 13:18 -0400, Michael Simacek wrote:
>  > > > ----- Original Message -----
>  > > > > From: "Sérgio Basto" <sergio(a)serjux.com&gt;
>  > > > > To: java-devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 6:33:36 PM
>  > > > > Subject: [fedora-java] Circular dependencies in BuildRequires
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Hi,
>  > > > > I'm trying bring eclipse 4.4 to Fedora 20 [1]
>  > > > >
>  > > > > eclipse need jetty , jetty needs objectweb-asm 5 , normally I do :
>  > > > >    fedpkg clone $package
>  > > > >    cd $package
>  > > > >    fedpkg switch-branch f21;fedpkg srpm ; mock -r fedora-20-x86_64
>  > > > > --no-clean --rebuild ./$package.fc21.src.rpm
>  > > > >
>  > > > > So I build objectweb-asm 5 , after that I can't almost build
>  anything
>  > > > > because multiple dependencies
>  > > > >
>  > > > > jdependency [2] needs   maven-plugin-tools , hawtjni,
>  plexus-containers
>  > > > > that need be rebuild for new objectweb-asm
>  > > > >
>  > > > > hawtjni-1.10-2.fc21 [3] needs maven-plugin-tools
>  > > > >
>  > > > > maven-dependency-analyzer [4] needs maven-plugin-tools, hawtjni etc
>  > > > >
>  > > > > maven-plugin-tools can't be build because depends on maven
>  > > > >
>  > > > > maven depends on sisu, sisu-mojos and maven-wagon
>  > > > >
>  > > > > sisu depends on javapackages-tools-4.1.0
>  > > > >
>  > > > > javapackages-tools have an error that BuildRequires:
>  javapackages-tools
>  > > > > >= 4.0.0 , impossible , but removing it depends on xmvn-resolve
> >=
>  > > > > 2.0.0
>  > > > >
>  > > > > repoquery --releasever=21 xmvn-resolve --source
>  > > > > xmvn-2.0.1-1.fc21.src.rpm
>  > > > > xmvn depends on maven >= 3.2.1-10 and sisu-mojos
>  > > > >
>  > > > > how we build it on a new arch or from scratch ? I try looking for
>  > > > > bootstrap some packages have references to bootstraping but no
>  flags
>  > > > > on .spec
>  > > >
>  > > > We generally don't need to really build it from scratch. Most Java
>  packages
>  > > > are noarch,
>  > > > so they already should work on the new arch. We just need to import
>  them
>  > > > and then
>  > > > do proper rebuild from source when all the dependencies are
>  satisfied.
>  > >
>  > > ok how I compile all in Fedora 20 ?
>  >
>  > I'm afraid for bootstraping from scratch you'll need some hack like:
>  > 1. Temporarily bundle pre-built JARs for the packages instead of
>  building them from source so
>  >    other pacakges can use them as a dependency.
>  > 2. When all the packages in the dependency cycle are built like this,
>  remove bundled stuff
>  >    and rebuild them properly from source, because now they can use
>  dependencies from point 1.
>  >
>  > But I still don't understand why you want to do it from scratch. Why
>  don't you
>  > use objectweb-asm3, javapackages-tools, sisu etc. from F20?
>  > You don't need newer versions of these, do you?
>
>  I need update sisu to have sisu-mojos for compile maven-3.2.2, that
>  requires it, and I'm stuck here btw.
>  I can't build sisu-0.2.1 on Fedora 20 but now, it seems to me, that is a
>  problem with %mvn_build macro rpm, because all packages that I want
>  rebuild ends with :
>  java.lang.RuntimeException: Failed to load XMvn configuration
>
>  I'm sending sisu-0.2.1 to build in copr for us see the build error on :
>
>
>
> http://copr-be.cloud.fedoraproject.org/results/sergiomb/eclipse_4.4/fedor...
>
>
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > > Eclipse 4.4 is already available for Fedora 20 in Mat Booth's Copr:
>  > > > http://copr-fe.cloud.fedoraproject.org/coprs/mbooth/eclipse-luna/
>  > >
>  > > I don't like the approaching and have a second eclipse , I
> "need"
>  > > eclipse 4.4 as an upgrade of eclipse of the system
>  > >
>  
What is your use-case? I am not convinced that doing a major update of
Eclipse in F20 is a great idea, and I'm fairly sure it would be against the
'spirit' of the philosophy behind the Fedora updates policy:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Policy#Stable_Releases

If you really really really need Eclipse 4.4 as part of the base OS, then
you might consider trying F21 when the Alpha is released (or consider
trying it now, even and help us make sure it will be a solid release.)



>  > > please see status of my tries in
>  > > http://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/sergiomb/eclipse_4.4/builds/
>  > >
>  > > I understand that objectweb-asm only can build it after have
>  > > objectweb-asm3 , I try bootstrap some packages .
>  > >
>  > > Now in a circular dependencies of sisu and xmvn , xmvn > 2 needs sisu >
>  > > 0.2.1
>  > >
>  > > > > I try compile also objectweb-asm3 , objectweb-asm3.spec have a big
>  bug
>  > > > > IMHO
>  > > > > # shade-jar utility used in this spec file needs this
>  > > > > BuildRequires:  objectweb-asm3
>  > > > >
>  > > > > repoquery --releasever=21 -f /usr/bin/shade-jar  --source
>  > > > > javapackages-tools-4.1.0-2.fc21.src.rpm
>  > > > >
>  > > > > but correctly, I think that should be:
>  > > > > BuildRequires:  /usr/bin/shade-jar
>  > > > >
>  > > > > but we don't have any shade-jar in Fedora 20 , can we remove
>  shade-jar
>  > > > > scripting from spec ?
>  > > >
>  > > > shade-jar script is part of javapackages-tools and it needs
>  > > > objectweb-asm3-processor to work,
>  > > > but javapackages-tools don't Require it (most likely to not increase
>  > > > install size).
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > Michael Simacek
>  > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > > any feedback is welcome !
>  > > > >
>  > > > > Thanks,
>  > > > >
>  > > > > [1]
>  > > > > http://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/sergiomb/eclipse_4.4/builds/
>  > > > >
>  > > > > [2]
>  > > > >
>
> http://copr-be.cloud.fedoraproject.org/results/sergiomb/eclipse_4.4/fedor...
>  > > > > [3]
>  > > > >
>
> http://copr-be.cloud.fedoraproject.org/results/sergiomb/eclipse_4.4/fedor...
>  > > > > [4]
>  > > > >
>
> http://copr-be.cloud.fedoraproject.org/results/sergiomb/eclipse_4.4/fedor...
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > > > --
>  > > > > Sérgio M. B.
>  > > > >
>  > > > > --
>  > > > > java-devel mailing list
>  > > > > java-devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  > > > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/java-devel
>  > >
>  > > --
>  > > Sérgio M. B.
>  > >
>  > > --
>  > > Sérgio M. B.
>
>  --
>  Sérgio M. B.
>
>  --
>  java-devel mailing list
>  java-devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/java-devel
>  


-- 
Mat Booth
http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora

Circular dependencies in BuildRequires

[Sérgio Basto]

On Ter, 2014-08-26 at 10:21 +0100, Mat Booth wrote:
>  What is your use-case?  
I "need" eclipse-swt updated for azureus works correctly and I'd like
try eclipse 4.4 as editor.



-- 
Sérgio M. B.

Circular dependencies in BuildRequires

[Mat Booth]

On 26 August 2014 12:23, Sérgio Basto <sergio(a)serjux.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Ter, 2014-08-26 at 10:21 +0100, Mat Booth wrote:
>  > What is your use-case?
>
>  I "need" eclipse-swt updated for azureus works correctly and I'd like
>  try eclipse 4.4 as editor.
>
>
>
>  --
>  Sérgio M. B.
>
>  
For simply trying out Eclipse 4.4 as an editor, I recommend you just use
the copr repo as Micheal Simacek suggested.

What is the problem with azureus? If you share information about what you
are trying to do and what specific problems you are having, we may be able
to help you... :-)


-- 
Mat Booth
http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora

Circular dependencies in BuildRequires

[Sérgio Basto]

On Ter, 2014-08-26 at 13:33 +0100, Mat Booth wrote: 
>  On 26 August 2014 12:23, Sérgio Basto <sergio(a)serjux.com&gt;
> wrote:
>          On Ter, 2014-08-26 at 10:21 +0100, Mat Booth wrote:
>          > What is your use-case?
>          
>          
>          I "need" eclipse-swt updated for azureus works correctly and
>          I'd like
>          try eclipse 4.4 as editor.
>          
>          
>          
>          --
>          Sérgio M. B.
>          
>  
>  
>  
>  For simply trying out Eclipse 4.4 as an editor, I recommend you just
>  use the copr repo as Micheal Simacek suggested. 
I want eclipse with new jetty, maven, xmvn etc (half java packages of
Fedora 21 3 months earlier) but is a pure exercise of compiling
package , more than use it :) 

>  
>  What is the problem with azureus? If you share information about what
>  you are trying to do and what specific problems you are having, we may
>  be able to help you... :-) 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=980260#c42 

Thanks,
-- 
Sérgio M. B.

Circular dependencies in BuildRequires

[Mat Booth]

On 26 August 2014 20:46, Sérgio Basto <sergio(a)serjux.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Ter, 2014-08-26 at 13:33 +0100, Mat Booth wrote:
>  > On 26 August 2014 12:23, Sérgio Basto <sergio(a)serjux.com&gt; wrote:
>  >         On Ter, 2014-08-26 at 10:21 +0100, Mat Booth wrote:
>  >         > What is your use-case?
>  >
>  >
>  >         I "need" eclipse-swt updated for azureus works correctly and
>  >         I'd like
>  >         try eclipse 4.4 as editor.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >         --
>  >         Sérgio M. B.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > For simply trying out Eclipse 4.4 as an editor, I recommend you just
>  > use the copr repo as Micheal Simacek suggested.
>
>  I want eclipse with new jetty, maven, xmvn etc (half java packages of
>  Fedora 21 3 months earlier) but is a pure exercise of compiling
>  package , more than use it :)
>
>  >
>  > What is the problem with azureus? If you share information about what
>  > you are trying to do and what specific problems you are having, we may
>  > be able to help you... :-)
>
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=980260#c42
>
>  Thanks,
>  --
>  Sérgio M. B.
>
>  
I see, so if I were you, I would try to build azureus against the swt from
the Eclipse Luna Copr repo first.


-- 
Mat Booth
http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora