Java SIG meeting agenda for 21st September agenda

[Stanislav Ochotnicky]

This is a reminder that we are having our second meeting on 21st of
September at 17:00 UTC. The meeting will be held in #fedora-meeting.

Agenda:
 * Go through Action items from previous meeting[1]
   - New Java package review template [2]
   - Tips & trics/common maven problems and how to fix them [3]
   - Current list of "critical java packages"
   - Current status on Java wiki pages
   - New packaging guidelines
   - Rest of the things
 * Decide about Java wiki GCJ split (bozhidar)
 * Check current status of FTBFSs of java packages (sochotni)
 * Open floor


[1]
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2010-09-07/fedora-meeti...
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Java_review_template
[3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Java_packaging_common_problems

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[Frank Murphy]

On 20/09/10 16:52, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote:
>  This is a reminder that we are having our second meeting on 21st of
>  September at 17:00 UTC. The meeting will be held in #fedora-meeting.
>  
Is it ok, to check the minutes, usually not able for irc.

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[Andrew Hughes]

On 17:52 Mon 20 Sep     , Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote:
>  This is a reminder that we are having our second meeting on 21st of
>  September at 17:00 UTC. The meeting will be held in #fedora-meeting.
>  
>  Agenda:
>   * Go through Action items from previous meeting[1]
>     - New Java package review template [2]
>     - Tips & trics/common maven problems and how to fix them [3]
>     - Current list of "critical java packages"
>     - Current status on Java wiki pages
>     - New packaging guidelines
>     - Rest of the things
>   * Decide about Java wiki GCJ split (bozhidar) 
What does this mean?  I don't see a reference and I don't recall any previous
posts about it.

>   * Check current status of FTBFSs of java packages (sochotni)
>   * Open floor
>  
>  
>  [1]
> http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2010-09-07/fedora-meeti...
>  [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Java_review_template
>  [3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Java_packaging_common_problems
>  
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>  Stanislav Ochotnicky <sochotnicky(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  Associate Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems Brno
>  
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[Stanislav Ochotnicky]

Excerpts from Dr Andrew John Hughes's message of Mon Sep 20 20:01:20 +0200 2010:
>  On 17:52 Mon 20 Sep     , Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote:
>  > This is a reminder that we are having our second meeting on 21st of
>  > September at 17:00 UTC. The meeting will be held in #fedora-meeting.
>  > 
>  > Agenda:
>  >  * Go through Action items from previous meeting[1]
>  >    - New Java package review template [2]
>  >    - Tips & trics/common maven problems and how to fix them [3]
>  >    - Current list of "critical java packages"
>  >    - Current status on Java wiki pages
>  >    - New packaging guidelines
>  >    - Rest of the things
>  >  * Decide about Java wiki GCJ split (bozhidar)
>  
>  What does this mean?  I don't see a reference and I don't recall any previous
> posts about it. 
Come to the meeting and you'll see :-)

Ok now seriously... Bozhidar was going through our Java,Java/FAQ
wiki pages (as agreed on our last SIG meeting) and noticed there are
a lot of outdated references to GCJ, plus it might be confusing for
new users. So we were thinking about separating information for GCJ
(ergo Java 1.5) into a separate wiki page.

Our Java wiki pages are really in need of an update, any help would be
appreciated. For example I just noticed wrong link to old mailing list
(already fixed).

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[Andrew Hughes]

On 09:24 Tue 21 Sep     , Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote:
>  Excerpts from Dr Andrew John Hughes's message of Mon Sep 20
> 20:01:20 +0200 2010:
>  > On 17:52 Mon 20 Sep     , Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote:
>  > > This is a reminder that we are having our second meeting on 21st of
>  > > September at 17:00 UTC. The meeting will be held in #fedora-meeting.
>  > > 
>  > > Agenda:
>  > >  * Go through Action items from previous meeting[1]
>  > >    - New Java package review template [2]
>  > >    - Tips & trics/common maven problems and how to fix them [3]
>  > >    - Current list of "critical java packages"
>  > >    - Current status on Java wiki pages
>  > >    - New packaging guidelines
>  > >    - Rest of the things
>  > >  * Decide about Java wiki GCJ split (bozhidar)
>  > 
>  > What does this mean?  I don't see a reference and I don't recall any
> previous posts about it.
>  
>  Come to the meeting and you'll see :-)
>   
I would but unfortunately I can't make it.
Besides, you kind of need to know what's being discussed before you can discuss it
:-)

>  Ok now seriously... Bozhidar was going through our Java,Java/FAQ
>  wiki pages (as agreed on our last SIG meeting) and noticed there are
>  a lot of outdated references to GCJ, plus it might be confusing for
>  new users. So we were thinking about separating information for GCJ
>  (ergo Java 1.5) into a separate wiki page.
>  
>  Our Java wiki pages are really in need of an update, any help would be
>  appreciated. For example I just noticed wrong link to old mailing list
>  (already fixed).
>   
That makes sense.  I agree some updates are needed and I've done a few
myself in the past.

I wouldn't take GCJ as being equivalent to Java 1.5.  It already
contains some 1.6 API calls and will gain more in the future.  It's
also missing some 1.5 calls.  What's present tends to be defined by
what's used rather than any specific API definition.  As the TCK
licensing currently prevents GCJ from being tested for conformance to
either 1.5 or 1.6, there's not much point in going strictly down the
route of obeyance to one standard or another.

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>  Associate Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems Brno
>  
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