Taking 6.93 for an A11y test drive

[Janina Sajka]

The iso is downloading as I write. My intention is to see if I can run
using Festival and the builtin Orca screen reader.

I understand David has made GDM accessible. What do I do to start speech
for GDM Login? Is it Ctrl-S for 5 seconds?

And, what login should I use?

Sorry for the fundamental questions--but I'm not finding even basic
documentation. Perhaps I'm not looking in the right place?

Thanks in advance.

-- 

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[Jeremy Katz]

On Tue, 2007-05-01 at 15:57 -0400, Janina Sajka wrote:
>  The iso is downloading as I write. My intention is to see if I can
> run
>  using Festival and the builtin Orca screen reader.
>  
>  I understand David has made GDM accessible. What do I do to start speech
>  for GDM Login? Is it Ctrl-S for 5 seconds? 
Should be ctrl-s and only a second or so should be needed.

>  And, what login should I use? 
If your resolution is > 800x600, then you'll get the user list; if not, then log in
as fedora[1].  

Jeremy

[1] This will be fixed for F7...

[David Zeuthen]

Hi Janina,

>  The iso is downloading as I write. My intention is to see if I can
> run
>  using Festival and the builtin Orca screen reader.
>  
>  I understand David has made GDM accessible. What do I do to start speech
>  for GDM Login? Is it Ctrl-S for 5 seconds? 
Yeah, Ctrl+s for one second or longer. Btw, if your computer have a PC
speaker (most do), gdm will emit a beep when it's loaded. This is a
convenient hint when to press Ctrl+s since it will take a minute or two
to get to gdm at all.

When orca starts it should start speaking "Welcome to Orca". Then you
should be able to tab to the user list and Orca should read the user
names - I think there's still one bug where the list don't receive focus
immediately so maybe you have to press down when in the user list.

Alt+L will bring up a language list menu. Alt+T will bring up an options
menu. Both of these menus should be accessible. It's unfortunately not
possible to tab to them because it's not pure GTK+.

When you log in, the same AT's you enabled in the login screen will be
started in the session as well.

>  And, what login should I use? 
The login is 'fedora'.

>  Sorry for the fundamental questions--but I'm not finding even
> basic
>  documentation. Perhaps I'm not looking in the right place? 
It's definitely something we need in the release notes; it's not exactly
as discoverable as I'd like.

FWIW, I'm not yet entirely satisfied with how accessibility works in
Fedora. The plan for Fedora 8 includes using the plain greeter which
have much better accessibility as it's using standard GTK+ widgets
instead of GnomeCanvas (we can still make it look pretty by using
standard GTK+ theming facilities). It's worth noting, AFAIK, that
Solaris does this for accessibility reasons.

In closing, accessibility is something we want to work very well in
Fedora including Live CD and accessible installs (don't think the
installer is not accessible in Fedora 7.. but it's using GTK+ so it's
definitely fixable). 

Feedback, good and bad, is very welcome! Many thanks!

     David

[Rahul Sundaram]

David Zeuthen wrote:

>  It's definitely something we need in the release notes; it's
> not exactly
>  as discoverable as I'd like. 
I have already added the login information to the release notes long 
time back. If information on A11y is required I would need some content.

Rahul

[David Zeuthen]

On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 14:59 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>  David Zeuthen wrote:
>  
>  > It's definitely something we need in the release notes; it's not exactly
>  > as discoverable as I'd like.
>  
>  I have already added the login information to the release notes long 
>  time back.  
Great thanks.

>  If information on A11y is required I would need some content. 
I think my previous mail got all the details you need apart from the
fact that other AT's can be started as well. Also worth checking out

 /etc/gdm/modules/AccessDwellMouseEvents
 /etc/gdm/modules/AccessKeyMouseEvents

for how that works (e.g. ctrl+M brings up the magnifier). If you have
questions just email me off-list. Thanks.

     David