Fedora Medical Field Kit - Softwares

[Zoltan Hoppar]

Hi,

I think I have thought an purpose that we can target, and make
something new, and awesome. I would like to turn my search for
softwares, that we can give for many ER car set, as mobile computer.
Like netbooks, or any upcoming stronger ARM development can mean for
us huge advantage, as Fedora Medical can provide an set of softwares
as spin for this purpose.

Guys, do we have set of softwares for a spin that can be useful for ER
paramedic cars - eg. quick diagnostical softwares, USB tools?

Opinions?

Zoltan

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[Mario Ceresa]

Hi Zoltan,
I'm not sure about your proposal. Do you want to create something useful
for emergency units? Which are their requisites?

Thanks,

Mario


On 11 October 2013 18:06, Zoltan Hoppar <hopparz(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  Hi,
>
>  I think I have thought an purpose that we can target, and make
>  something new, and awesome. I would like to turn my search for
>  softwares, that we can give for many ER car set, as mobile computer.
>  Like netbooks, or any upcoming stronger ARM development can mean for
>  us huge advantage, as Fedora Medical can provide an set of softwares
>  as spin for this purpose.
>
>  Guys, do we have set of softwares for a spin that can be useful for ER
>  paramedic cars - eg. quick diagnostical softwares, USB tools?
>
>  Opinions?
>
>  Zoltan
>
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[Zoltan Hoppar]

Hi Mario,

Yes, usually here at Hungary, I really miss one lightweight computer, that
would be usable not only for direct communication, else maybe for quick
analyses as tons of stuff can be plugged to USB. I would like to come
closer to this problem to have an distribution, softwares that provides a
tiny lab (EKG, EEG, carbon monoxide sensors, and many more) for emergency
units to their field kit, and gives direct contact to doctors, or other
specialists. With that, I think possibly we can replace with open source
based softwares 4-5 or more devices with only a single computer.

What do you think, you see any potential in this idea? Can we provide open
source alternative?

Zoltan


2013/10/14 Mario Ceresa <mrceresa(a)gmail.com&gt;

>  Hi Zoltan,
>  I'm not sure about your proposal. Do you want to create something useful
>  for emergency units? Which are their requisites?
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  Mario
>
>
>  On 11 October 2013 18:06, Zoltan Hoppar <hopparz(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I think I have thought an purpose that we can target, and make
> > something new, and awesome. I would like to turn my search for
> > softwares, that we can give for many ER car set, as mobile computer.
> > Like netbooks, or any upcoming stronger ARM development can mean for
> > us huge advantage, as Fedora Medical can provide an set of softwares
> > as spin for this purpose.
> >
> > Guys, do we have set of softwares for a spin that can be useful for ER
> > paramedic cars - eg. quick diagnostical softwares, USB tools?
> >
> > Opinions?
> >
> > Zoltan
> >
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[Sebastian Hilbert]

Hi all,

Am Dienstag, 15. Oktober 2013, 19:13:49 schrieb Zoltan Hoppar:
>  Hi Mario,
>  
>  Yes, usually here at Hungary, I really miss one lightweight computer, that
>  would be usable not only for direct communication, else maybe for quick
>  analyses as tons of stuff can be plugged to USB. I would like to come
>  closer to this problem to have an distribution, softwares that provides a
>  tiny lab (EKG, EEG, carbon monoxide sensors, and many more) for emergency
>  units to their field kit, and gives direct contact to doctors, or other
>  specialists. With that, I think possibly we can replace with open source
>  based softwares 4-5 or more devices with only a single computer.
>  
>  What do you think, you see any potential in this idea? Can we provide open
>  source alternative?
>   
I am a doctor in Germany and I have trouble understanding what you are after.

Do you plan on replacing existing medical devices ? Good luck with that. All 
medical devices need to be certified. OpenSource for certified devices ? What a 
dream.

What tons of stuff that can be plugged into USB ? I am highly interested in 
medical devices that can be pluged into USB and have usable and certifiable 
software for GNU/Linux.

In a emergency response vehicle the only device that can be replaced with off-
the shelf hardware and software is a handheld device for filling and printing 
emergency response forms.

Unless you find vendors that will open their drivers you will not be able to 
replace EKG, EEG, ultrasound, sensors (which are connected to the EKG monitor) 
any time soon.

However you should attempt to create a software platform for vendors to build 
upon. It takes more then a spin. Think about hardening the software for the 
hardware device. Optimize for boot speed. You don't have 30 seconds for that 
thing to boot. I know that systems are sold that are even worse. But those 
systems are made by rich companies.

Starting points
[1] http://qdot.github.io/libomron/
[2] http://mdcf.santos.cis.ksu.edu/
[3]
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mobilecg-accessible-clinical-grade-elec...
[4] 
http://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1525&context=...

If you manage to create a software stack that runs on some tablet from factor 
device, boots the operating system up in 3 seconds, runs an EKG viewer for [3] 
, runs GNUmed [5] you are well ahead of the crowd.

If you then manage to build a solution that makes available in almost realtime 
the EKG and blood pressure information to a nearby hospital via wireless 
uplink you are leading the crowd.

[5] wiki.gnumed.org

When you have achieved all this hire a marketing firm to promote your software 
and a lawyer to fight the big ones in the industry. The cause is well worth the 
effort.

Regards,
Sebastian Hilbert, MD

[Ian Malone]

On 15 October 2013 20:02, Sebastian Hilbert <sebastian.hilbert(a)gmx.net&gt; wrote:
>  Hi all,
>
>  Am Dienstag, 15. Oktober 2013, 19:13:49 schrieb Zoltan Hoppar:
> > Hi Mario,
> >
> > Yes, usually here at Hungary, I really miss one lightweight computer, that
> > would be usable not only for direct communication, else maybe for quick
> > analyses as tons of stuff can be plugged to USB. I would like to come
> > closer to this problem to have an distribution, softwares that provides a
> > tiny lab (EKG, EEG, carbon monoxide sensors, and many more) for emergency
> > units to their field kit, and gives direct contact to doctors, or other
> > specialists. With that, I think possibly we can replace with open source
> > based softwares 4-5 or more devices with only a single computer.
> >
> > What do you think, you see any potential in this idea? Can we provide open
> > source alternative?
> >
>  I am a doctor in Germany and I have trouble understanding what you are after.
>
>  Do you plan on replacing existing medical devices ? Good luck with that. All
>  medical devices need to be certified. OpenSource for certified devices ? What a
>  dream.
>  
That was my initial reaction too, but on reflection medical devices
actually have less arduous development than drugs do. You could
conceivably do this with a university or research hospital with a
clinical trials unit behind you, get the software and candidate
hardware in place then let them deal with the required testing and
approvals.

IEEE ran an interesting article a while back about how outdated lots
of medical hardware is (they took defibrillators as an example).

>  However you should attempt to create a software platform for vendors
> to build
>  upon. It takes more then a spin. Think about hardening the software for the
>  hardware device. Optimize for boot speed. You don't have 30 seconds for that
>  thing to boot. I know that systems are sold that are even worse. But those
>  systems are made by rich companies.
>
>  Starting points
>  [1] http://qdot.github.io/libomron/
>  [2] http://mdcf.santos.cis.ksu.edu/
>  [3]
> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mobilecg-accessible-clinical-grade-elec...
>  [4]
>  http://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1525&context=...
>
>  If you manage to create a software stack that runs on some tablet from factor
>  device, boots the operating system up in 3 seconds, runs an EKG viewer for [3]
>  , runs GNUmed [5] you are well ahead of the crowd.
>
>  If you then manage to build a solution that makes available in almost realtime
>  the EKG and blood pressure information to a nearby hospital via wireless
>  uplink you are leading the crowd.
>
>  [5] wiki.gnumed.org
>  
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[Zoltan Hoppar]

Hi,

Yes, this is what I have expected, it's really closed market, and that
makes me :S sad. However, I have seen FOSS softwares, that are able to
provide EKG, bloodpressure, and such analytic purposes. I have seen also in
hacker sites, where you can turn simple webcam into a microscope. So, if
needs a certification that IMHO doesn't close out that the software inside
be closed source, right? The question is the following: is it possible to
set/make an computer and a kit eg. USB accessories in a box that helps to
doctors, ER units? I mean, diagnostic software tools in a box... and some
USB wired sensors, and such. I understand the concerns, and the problems,
but I feel that there is a lot of potential.

Zoltan


2013/10/16 Ian Malone <ibmalone(a)gmail.com&gt;

>  On 15 October 2013 20:02, Sebastian Hilbert
> <sebastian.hilbert(a)gmx.net&gt;
>  wrote:
>  > Hi all,
>  >
>  > Am Dienstag, 15. Oktober 2013, 19:13:49 schrieb Zoltan Hoppar:
>  >> Hi Mario,
>  >>
>  >> Yes, usually here at Hungary, I really miss one lightweight computer,
>  that
>  >> would be usable not only for direct communication, else maybe for quick
>  >> analyses as tons of stuff can be plugged to USB. I would like to come
>  >> closer to this problem to have an distribution, softwares that provides
>  a
>  >> tiny lab (EKG, EEG, carbon monoxide sensors, and many more) for
>  emergency
>  >> units to their field kit, and gives direct contact to doctors, or other
>  >> specialists. With that, I think possibly we can replace with open source
>  >> based softwares 4-5 or more devices with only a single computer.
>  >>
>  >> What do you think, you see any potential in this idea? Can we provide
>  open
>  >> source alternative?
>  >>
>  > I am a doctor in Germany and I have trouble understanding what you are
>  after.
>  >
>  > Do you plan on replacing existing medical devices ? Good luck with that.
>  All
>  > medical devices need to be certified. OpenSource for certified devices ?
>  What a
>  > dream.
>  >
>
>  That was my initial reaction too, but on reflection medical devices
>  actually have less arduous development than drugs do. You could
>  conceivably do this with a university or research hospital with a
>  clinical trials unit behind you, get the software and candidate
>  hardware in place then let them deal with the required testing and
>  approvals.
>
>  IEEE ran an interesting article a while back about how outdated lots
>  of medical hardware is (they took defibrillators as an example).
>
>  > However you should attempt to create a software platform for vendors to
>  build
>  > upon. It takes more then a spin. Think about hardening the software for
>  the
>  > hardware device. Optimize for boot speed. You don't have 30 seconds for
>  that
>  > thing to boot. I know that systems are sold that are even worse. But
>  those
>  > systems are made by rich companies.
>  >
>  > Starting points
>  > [1] http://qdot.github.io/libomron/
>  > [2] http://mdcf.santos.cis.ksu.edu/
>  > [3]
>  http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mobilecg-accessible-clinical-grade-elec...
>  > [4]
>  >
>  http://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1525&context=...
>  >
>  > If you manage to create a software stack that runs on some tablet from
>  factor
>  > device, boots the operating system up in 3 seconds, runs an EKG viewer
>  for [3]
>  > , runs GNUmed [5] you are well ahead of the crowd.
>  >
>  > If you then manage to build a solution that makes available in almost
>  realtime
>  > the EKG and blood pressure information to a nearby hospital via wireless
>  > uplink you are leading the crowd.
>  >
>  > [5] wiki.gnumed.org
>  >
>
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>  http://ibmalone.blogspot.co.uk
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