Alpha Freeze and branching spin-kickstarts

[Jeroen van Meeuwen]

Hi there,

would you all like me to branch off for F11-Alpha now (~at the time of 
the freeze), or would you like me to branch off later (~at the time the 
composes happen)?

*note to self* that includes building a new package.

Kind regards,

Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip

[Jesse Keating]

On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 12:17 +0100, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
>  Hi there,
>  
>  would you all like me to branch off for F11-Alpha now (~at the time of 
>  the freeze), or would you like me to branch off later (~at the time the 
>  composes happen)?
>  
>  *note to self* that includes building a new package. 
I'm happy with whatever way you want to deal with that, just let us know
what to test compose from and eventually what to compose from.

Also, is there a list of expected "spins" for Alpha?

-- 
Jesse Keating
Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature!
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[Jeroen van Meeuwen]

Jesse Keating wrote:
>  On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 12:17 +0100, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > would you all like me to branch off for F11-Alpha now (~at the time of 
> > the freeze), or would you like me to branch off later (~at the time the 
> > composes happen)?
> >
> > *note to self* that includes building a new package.
>  
>  I'm happy with whatever way you want to deal with that, just let us know
>  what to test compose from and eventually what to compose from.
>  
>  Also, is there a list of expected "spins" for Alpha?
>   
I'm thinking "permanent spins", along with "current and continued"
- 
Fedora 10 spins that are going to be in Fedora 11 and getting ready as 
we speak (new process and all that), as well as "new" - the Sugar spin 
being one example.

That list would make for:

- aos
- broffice.org
- desktop (permanent)
- developer (dvd)
- education (former education math)
- electronic lab (dvd)
- kde  (permanent)
- games (dvd)
- sugar
- xfce

This is 10 spins already, and more or less on the horizon is GIS/Geo, 
Security, LTSP and LXDE. Some of these may end up being combined (like 
XFCE and LXDE), but we're not sure yet.

Let me know what you think.

Kind regards,

Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip

[Jesse Keating]

On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 12:29 +0100, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
>   That list would make for:
>  
>  - aos
>  - broffice.org
>  - desktop (permanent)
>  - developer (dvd)
>  - education (former education math)
>  - electronic lab (dvd)
>  - kde  (permanent)
>  - games (dvd)
>  - sugar
>  - xfce
>  
>  This is 10 spins already, and more or less on the horizon is GIS/Geo, 
>  Security, LTSP and LXDE. Some of these may end up being combined
>  (like 
>  XFCE and LXDE), but we're not sure yet.
>  
>  Let me know what you think. 
I think it's entirely too many spins.  Looking at
http://spins.fedoraproject.org:6969/ the spins we've offered for F10
haven't been very popular.  The only ones with more than 10 complete
downloads are XFCE, KDE, and Desktop.  FEL reached over 10 if you
combine i686 and x86_64,  broffice comes close if you combine.

Do we really feel it's worth the time, effort, and resources to provide
these to only get a handful of downloads?  Perhaps we should drop some
of these very unpopular spins in favor of new ones to see if we can
generate more interest in them.

-- 
Jesse Keating
Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature!
identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating

[Jeremy Katz]

On Monday, January 26 2009, Jesse Keating said:
>  On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 12:29 +0100, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
>  >  That list would make for: 
[snip]
>  > Let me know what you think.
>  
>  I think it's entirely too many spins.  Looking at
>  http://spins.fedoraproject.org:6969/ the spins we've offered for F10
>  haven't been very popular.  The only ones with more than 10 complete
>  downloads are XFCE, KDE, and Desktop.  FEL reached over 10 if you
>  combine i686 and x86_64,  broffice comes close if you combine. 
Ermm, isn't complete the number of complete seeders and then downloaded
is the number downloaded?  

Jeremy

[Jesse Keating]

On Mon, 2009-01-26 at 20:32 -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote:
>  On Monday, January 26 2009, Jesse Keating said:
>  > On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 12:29 +0100, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
>  > >  That list would make for:
>  [snip]
>  > > Let me know what you think.
>  > 
>  > I think it's entirely too many spins.  Looking at
>  > http://spins.fedoraproject.org:6969/ the spins we've offered for F10
>  > haven't been very popular.  The only ones with more than 10 complete
>  > downloads are XFCE, KDE, and Desktop.  FEL reached over 10 if you
>  > combine i686 and x86_64,  broffice comes close if you combine.
>  
>  Ermm, isn't complete the number of complete seeders and then downloaded
>  is the number downloaded?  
>  
>  Jeremy 
Haha, I'm an idiot.

Lets move from 10, to 1000 and then the numbers make sense again.

The spins with over 1000 downloads:  Desktop, KDE, XFCE, and if you
combine i686 and x86_64 together you get 1000 out of BrOffice.  The rest
barely make it to 500, when combined.

-- 
Jesse Keating
Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature!
identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating

[Jeroen van Meeuwen]

Jesse Keating wrote:
>  On Mon, 2009-01-26 at 20:32 -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote:
> > On Monday, January 26 2009, Jesse Keating said:
> >> On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 12:29 +0100, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
> >>>  That list would make for:
> > [snip]
> >>> Let me know what you think.
> >> I think it's entirely too many spins.  Looking at
> >> http://spins.fedoraproject.org:6969/ the spins we've offered for F10
> >> haven't been very popular.  The only ones with more than 10 complete
> >> downloads are XFCE, KDE, and Desktop.  FEL reached over 10 if you
> >> combine i686 and x86_64,  broffice comes close if you combine.
> > Ermm, isn't complete the number of complete seeders and then downloaded
> > is the number downloaded?  
> >
> > Jeremy
>  
>  Haha, I'm an idiot.
>  
>  Lets move from 10, to 1000 and then the numbers make sense again.
>  
>  The spins with over 1000 downloads:  Desktop, KDE, XFCE, and if you
>  combine i686 and x86_64 together you get 1000 out of BrOffice.  The rest
>  barely make it to 500, when combined.
>   
Having sended my previous mail to this thread just a little too soon...;

How does the following sound;

Using these numbers at the time of Alpha, drop X of the least downloaded 
spins, where X is the number of entirely new spins for a given cycle?

There has to be a maximum, too. We said 10 during FUDCon, but I also 
think we mentioned a maximum DVD vs. CD ratio?

Kind regards,

Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip

[Jeroen van Meeuwen]

Jesse Keating wrote:
>  On Mon, 2009-01-26 at 20:32 -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote: 
A branch has been created, F-11-Alpha. All spins currently accepted 
(from F-10) and those still in the running, are in that branch. As to be 
expected, it is the same content as master, minus the localized spins.

Kind regards,

Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip

[Jeroen van Meeuwen]

Jesse Keating wrote:
>  On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 12:29 +0100, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
> >  That list would make for:
> >
> > - aos
> > - broffice.org
> > - desktop (permanent)
> > - developer (dvd)
> > - education (former education math)
> > - electronic lab (dvd)
> > - kde  (permanent)
> > - games (dvd)
> > - sugar
> > - xfce
> >
> > This is 10 spins already, and more or less on the horizon is GIS/Geo, 
> > Security, LTSP and LXDE. Some of these may end up being combined
> > (like 
> > XFCE and LXDE), but we're not sure yet.
> >
> > Let me know what you think.
>  
>  I think it's entirely too many spins.  Looking at
>  http://spins.fedoraproject.org:6969/ the spins we've offered for F10
>  haven't been very popular.  The only ones with more than 10 complete
>  downloads are XFCE, KDE, and Desktop.  FEL reached over 10 if you
>  combine i686 and x86_64,  broffice comes close if you combine.
>   
I think you're looking at the seeds (complete) column, rather then the 
downloaded column?

Kind regards,

Jeroen van Meeuwen
-kanarip

[Jesse Keating]

On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 12:29 +0100, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
>   - aos 
I forgot to do this one, will try to get it done today.

>  - broffice.org 
Over by 47M on i686, not shipping it.

>  - desktop (permanent)
>  - developer (dvd) 
Done

>  - education (former education math) 
Over, not shipping it.

>  - electronic lab (dvd)
>  - kde  (permanent)
>  - games (dvd)
>  - sugar
>  - xfce 
Done.

-- 
Jesse Keating
Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature!
identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating

[Jesse Keating]

On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 12:13 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote:
>   > - games (dvd) 
The x86_64 version of this is too big for squashfs.  not shipping for
alpha.

-- 
Jesse Keating
Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature!
identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating