I just install rawhide (er, did an install of fc4 and yum updated to rawhide) - and noticed that the terminal is no longer available by right clicking on the desktop.
Is that intentional, a bug, or what?
I find it rather annoying personally. That's how I launch a Terminal.
On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 11:57 -0700, Michael A. Peters wrote:
I just install rawhide (er, did an install of fc4 and yum updated to rawhide) - and noticed that the terminal is no longer available by right clicking on the desktop.
Is that intentional, a bug, or what?
I find it rather annoying personally. That's how I launch a Terminal.
read the archives of -devel-list from about 2 months ago.
and the gnome lists in the same time frame.
-sv
seth vidal wrote:
On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 11:57 -0700, Michael A. Peters wrote:
I just install rawhide (er, did an install of fc4 and yum updated to rawhide) - and noticed that the terminal is no longer available by right clicking on the desktop.
Is that intentional, a bug, or what?
I find it rather annoying personally. That's how I launch a Terminal.
read the archives of -devel-list from about 2 months ago.
and the gnome lists in the same time frame.
-sv
I think installing the package nautilus-open-terminal brings back that functionality plus more (i.e. the ability to open terminal starting in a directory that you have browsed to). I haven't gotten a chance to try it yet so all that I said is from reading the lists in the past.
/Mike
Michael A. Peters wrote:
I just install rawhide (er, did an install of fc4 and yum updated to rawhide) - and noticed that the terminal is no longer available by right clicking on the desktop.
Is that intentional, a bug, or what?
Intentional. You can find a huge flame war/discussion in fedora-devel list a few months back about it. nautilus-open-terminal in Fedora Extras might be the 'fix' you want.
regards Rahul
Michael A. Peters wrote:
I just install rawhide (er, did an install of fc4 and yum updated to rawhide) - and noticed that the terminal is no longer available by right clicking on the desktop.
Is that intentional, a bug, or what?
I find it rather annoying personally. That's how I launch a Terminal
It feels like part of the conspiracy to dumb down America doesn't it?
Fix it by grabbing nautilus-open-terminal from Fedora Extras.
John
What was the purpose? Is it that gnome would like people to move away from using terminal commands and stick with the GUI? Having a powerful terminal so easily accessible is what makes Linux attractive to me.
Teak
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Michael A. Peters wrote:
I just install rawhide (er, did an install of fc4
and yum updated to
rawhide) - and noticed that the terminal is no
longer available by right
clicking on the desktop.
Is that intentional, a bug, or what?
I find it rather annoying personally. That's how I
launch a Terminal
It feels like part of the conspiracy to dumb down America doesn't it?
Fix it by grabbing nautilus-open-terminal from Fedora Extras.
John
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On Sat, 2005-10-15 at 19:16 -0700, Teak Billard wrote:
What was the purpose? Is it that gnome would like people to move away from using terminal commands and stick with the GUI? Having a powerful terminal so easily accessible is what makes Linux attractive to me.
I suspect it has more to do with consistent UI design. The terminal is an application, Applications are launched from the Application menu.
From a strictly UI perspective, it's probably proper to do what they are
doing. It's just legacy users who are already so use to it being available the old way, and installing that nautilus-openterminal package gives it back to us (though I have a surprising number of untitled folders on my desktop ... ;)
I don't know the real reason, but I suspect it was UI design reasons.
On Sat, 2005-10-15 at 19:34 -0700, Michael A. Peters wrote:
On Sat, 2005-10-15 at 19:16 -0700, Teak Billard wrote:
What was the purpose? Is it that gnome would like people to move away from using terminal commands and stick with the GUI? Having a powerful terminal so easily accessible is what makes Linux attractive to me.
I suspect it has more to do with consistent UI design. The terminal is an application, Applications are launched from the Application menu.
From a strictly UI perspective, it's probably proper to do what they are
doing. It's just legacy users who are already so use to it being available the old way, and installing that nautilus-openterminal package gives it back to us (though I have a surprising number of untitled folders on my desktop ... ;)
I don't know the real reason, but I suspect it was UI design reasons.
As someone involved in the initial Fedora discussion about this, I recall that the rationale for removing it from the menu was as follows:
* The terminal is a power user tool (which is why people on this list will miss it in the desktop menu) and as such wasn't part of the primary goals of GNOME, to design a desktop for users.
* The current implementation was limited and by having it in a separate package you could do it much better. The nautilus-open-terminal package (yum install it) not only offers a terminal from the desktop, but from each nautilus window (and with the exception of the desktop, it defaults to the location your in. Much nicer.
* You can get to a terminal simply by setting up keystrokes using Desktop > Preferences > Keyboard Shortcuts, which power users would find easy to do and doesn't require you having access to either the desktop or a nautilus window.
Yes, you'll need to relearn some knee jerk habits, but overall this is a good decision (and I arked up about it when it first happened too).
Rodd
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