Hi. I got my F11 preupdate to work; I think maybe an anaconda update did the trick. So now I'm running F11. I've run into a few issues. I used to have an audio volume applet installed in my gnome panel, which made it convenient to quickly adjust the volume. When I first logged in under F11, it put up a dialog that said something about that applet no longer exisitng. I don't see an obvious replacement. Is there something else I could use or install? (I guess I'll ask about other issues in other mails as necessary....)
Thanks!
On 24/05/2009 2:50 PM, Reid Rivenburgh wrote:
Hi. I got my F11 preupdate to work; I think maybe an anaconda update did the trick. So now I'm running F11. I've run into a few issues. I used to have an audio volume applet installed in my gnome panel, which made it convenient to quickly adjust the volume. When I first logged in under F11, it put up a dialog that said something about that applet no longer exisitng. I don't see an obvious replacement. Is there something else I could use or install? (I guess I'll ask about other issues in other mails as necessary....)
Thanks!
-- Reid
Try running at a console: alsamixer -c0 that should give you access to the 'real' hardware volume controls for your card. You may need to boost one of those to get full volume.
that may get you more sound volume
On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 15:37 +1000, Greg wrote:
On 24/05/2009 2:50 PM, Reid Rivenburgh wrote:
Hi. I got my F11 preupdate to work; I think maybe an anaconda update did the trick. So now I'm running F11. I've run into a few issues. I used to have an audio volume applet installed in my gnome panel, which made it convenient to quickly adjust the volume. When I first logged in under F11, it put up a dialog that said something about that applet no longer exisitng. I don't see an obvious replacement. Is there something else I could use or install? (I guess I'll ask about other issues in other mails as necessary....)
Thanks!
-- Reid
Try running at a console: alsamixer -c0 that should give you access to the 'real' hardware volume controls for your card. You may need to boost one of those to get full volume.
that may get you more sound volume
Install gst-mixer either at root or yum extender. Then go to system/preference/Advanced sound and there it is
On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 04:56 -0600, Lawrence E. Graves wrote:
On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 15:37 +1000, Greg wrote:
On 24/05/2009 2:50 PM, Reid Rivenburgh wrote:
Hi. I got my F11 preupdate to work; I think maybe an anaconda update did the trick. So now I'm running F11. I've run into a few issues. I used to have an audio volume applet installed in my gnome panel, which made it convenient to quickly adjust the volume. When I first logged in under F11, it put up a dialog that said something about that applet no longer exisitng. I don't see an obvious replacement. Is there something else I could use or install? (I guess I'll ask about other issues in other mails as necessary....)
Thanks!
-- Reid
Try running at a console: alsamixer -c0 that should give you access to the 'real' hardware volume controls for your card. You may need to boost one of those to get full volume.
that may get you more sound volume
Install gst-mixer either at root or yum extender. Then go to system/preference/Advanced sound and there it is
Neither of those is really the answer, though, the new applet should replace the old one smoothly...has anyone else noticed this on an upgrade? Reid, is the package gnome-media installed?
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Adam Williamson awilliam@redhat.com wrote:
Neither of those is really the answer, though, the new applet should replace the old one smoothly...has anyone else noticed this on an upgrade? Reid, is the package gnome-media installed?
Hi Adam. I have this installed:
gnome-media-2.26.0-6.fc11.x86_64
And when I right-click on a panel and say "Add to panel...", none of the applets (if that's the right term) seem to be related to audio/mixing. But it sounds like it was replaced with a notification area approach....
Another potential problem I have is this:
% rpm -qa | grep fc10 | wc -l 136
Here are a few random examples:
yum-plugin-upgrade-helper-1.1.22-1.fc10.noarch qt-4.5.1-10.fc10.i386 krusader-2.0.0-1.fc10.x86_64 kdeutils-4.2.3-1.fc10.x86_64
I upgraded using preupgrade. Is it normal to still have that many fc10 rpms installed? Maybe having some third party packages like picasa caused this? I checked a few cases by hand, and sometimes I have both fc10 and fc11 rpms installed (but otherwise identical). Whatever the cause, I'm afraid that could cause some strange behavior.
Reid
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Reid Rivenburgh reidr@pobox.com wrote:
Another potential problem I have is this:
% rpm -qa | grep fc10 | wc -l 136
Here are a few random examples:
yum-plugin-upgrade-helper-1.1.22-1.fc10.noarch qt-4.5.1-10.fc10.i386 krusader-2.0.0-1.fc10.x86_64 kdeutils-4.2.3-1.fc10.x86_64
I upgraded using preupgrade. Is it normal to still have that many fc10 rpms installed? Maybe having some third party packages like picasa caused this? I checked a few cases by hand, and sometimes I have both fc10 and fc11 rpms installed (but otherwise identical). Whatever the cause, I'm afraid that could cause some strange behavior.
Since I mentioned this, more info.... After upgrading, I couldn't even use yum until I manually installed the fc11 version. Until I did a "yum clean", it wasn't updating many packages. After cleaning, it just updated 112 packages, and now my fc10 list is down to 57. Getting there! I should probably reboot since I've changed the system quite a bit.
Thanks, Reid
Reid Rivenburgh wrote:
Since I mentioned this, more info.... After upgrading, I couldn't even use yum until I manually installed the fc11 version. Until I did a "yum clean", it wasn't updating many packages. After cleaning, it just updated 112 packages, and now my fc10 list is down to 57. Getting there! I should probably reboot since I've changed the system quite a bit.
Thanks, Reid
Last week I had problems with yum trying to pull in the wrong rpms. This happened on two machines; one was current with rawhide (tried to pull in some out of date rpms) and the other went through preugrade from fc10 to fc11(tried to pull in rpms from rc9). "yum clean all" fixed the problems. My current conspiracy theory is that something went wrong in switching over from rawhide to fedora/updates.
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:21:58AM -0600, Reid Rivenburgh wrote:
Another potential problem I have is this:
% rpm -qa | grep fc10 | wc -l 136
If you install 'yum-utils' then you will find there 'package-cleanup' utility. The first check is
package-cleanup --problems
If none are reported then your installation is self-consistent. The next one would be
package-cleanup --orphans
If you will see some "orphans", i.e. packages not in F11 repositories, then you may remove some or all of them. Check for "problems" again once you did that.
Assorted packages in F11 repos can be inherited from F10. Quite often there is no need to recompile.
Michal
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Michal Jaegermann michal@harddata.com wrote:
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:21:58AM -0600, Reid Rivenburgh wrote:
Another potential problem I have is this:
% rpm -qa | grep fc10 | wc -l 136
If you install 'yum-utils' then you will find there 'package-cleanup' utility. The first check is
package-cleanup --problems
If none are reported then your installation is self-consistent. The next one would be
package-cleanup --orphans
If you will see some "orphans", i.e. packages not in F11 repositories, then you may remove some or all of them. Check for "problems" again once you did that.
Assorted packages in F11 repos can be inherited from F10. Quite often there is no need to recompile.
Thanks for the reminder about package-cleanup. Unfortunately, I do have problems. Some I was able to easily resolve, but here's one tricky one (of about 10 total):
Package qt-mysql-4.5.1-10.fc10.x86_64 requires libcrypto.so.7()(64bit)
I just checked a development mirror site and found this:
qt-mysql-4.5.0-14.fc11.x86_64.rpm
Is it possible that some of my pre-upgrade rpms (when I was using F10's updates-testing, not rawhide) were newer versions than the F11 ones, and therefore they didn't get upgraded? That's what these versions seem to suggest. I guess I can force install the F11 versions now and get things in order?
Thanks, Reid
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 21:16, Reid Rivenburgh reidr@pobox.com wrote:
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Is it possible that some of my pre-upgrade rpms (when I was using F10's updates-testing, not rawhide) were newer versions than the F11 ones, and therefore they didn't get upgraded? That's what these versions seem to suggest. I guess I can force install the F11 versions now and get things in order?
There's an updates-testing-repository for Fedora 11 as well. You can find the same version of qt-mysql in that repository.
See e.g. http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/updates/testing/11/x86_64/
If you have upgraded F10 with updates-testing enabled, you should probably enable updates-testing on your F11 installation as well. I guess it could be considered a preupgrade/anaconda bug that it isn't done so by default?
(Non-critical updates now end up in the "updates" repository for Fedora 11, rather than getting pushed to rawhide - and before that updates-testing)
Best, Kåre
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Kåre Fiedler Christiansen fedora@kaarefc.dk wrote:
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 21:16, Reid Rivenburgh reidr@pobox.com wrote:
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Is it possible that some of my pre-upgrade rpms (when I was using F10's updates-testing, not rawhide) were newer versions than the F11 ones, and therefore they didn't get upgraded? That's what these versions seem to suggest. I guess I can force install the F11 versions now and get things in order?
There's an updates-testing-repository for Fedora 11 as well. You can find the same version of qt-mysql in that repository.
See e.g. http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/updates/testing/11/x86_64/
If you have upgraded F10 with updates-testing enabled, you should probably enable updates-testing on your F11 installation as well. I guess it could be considered a preupgrade/anaconda bug that it isn't done so by default?
(Non-critical updates now end up in the "updates" repository for Fedora 11, rather than getting pushed to rawhide - and before that updates-testing)
I see. I also just realized that I don't have rawhide enabled. For some reason, I thought it would be, and that having rawhide enabled was a good thing until the post-release update that moves me from rawhide back to non-rawhide F11 (if I understand that process correctly).
In any case, enabling rawhide didn't give me any new packages, as you suggest. I assumed rawhide was always at least as new (in terms of version number) as update-testing, and similarly for updates-testing for updates. I guess that's not necessarily true around release time. I enabled updates-testing, and I do have lots of updates available now. So I guess I do want both updates-testing and rawhide enabled?
Thanks for all of the help. I hope this hasn't been hashed out lots of times already. I just re-joined the testing list when I upgraded.
Reid
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 13:39:56 -0600, Reid Rivenburgh reidr@pobox.com wrote:
In any case, enabling rawhide didn't give me any new packages, as you suggest. I assumed rawhide was always at least as new (in terms of version number) as update-testing, and similarly for updates-testing for updates. I guess that's not necessarily true around release time. I enabled updates-testing, and I do have lots of updates available now. So I guess I do want both updates-testing and rawhide enabled?
Right now rawhide is what's scheduled for f11 final. f11 updates and updates-testing are for updates to applied after the f11 release. Rawhide should switch to f12 sometime next week.
Reid Rivenburgh wrote:
I see. I also just realized that I don't have rawhide enabled. For some reason, I thought it would be, and that having rawhide enabled was a good thing until the post-release update that moves me from rawhide back to non-rawhide F11 (if I understand that process correctly).
The mirrorlist entry for fedora.repo redirects to Rawhide as long as Rawhide is F11. There's no need to enable rawhide.repo. (That's also why it didn't change anything for you.)
Kevin Kofler
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kofler@chello.at wrote:
Reid Rivenburgh wrote:
I see. I also just realized that I don't have rawhide enabled. For some reason, I thought it would be, and that having rawhide enabled was a good thing until the post-release update that moves me from rawhide back to non-rawhide F11 (if I understand that process correctly).
The mirrorlist entry for fedora.repo redirects to Rawhide as long as Rawhide is F11. There's no need to enable rawhide.repo. (That's also why it didn't change anything for you.)
Thanks for the clarifications, everyone. I guess the only real possible glitch in the system was, as someone pointed out, preupgrade not enabling F11 updates-testing, since I was using F10 updates-testing.
Reid
On 05/25/2009 04:19 AM, Reid Rivenburgh wrote:
Thanks for the clarifications, everyone. I guess the only real possible glitch in the system was, as someone pointed out, preupgrade not enabling F11 updates-testing, since I was using F10 updates-testing.
Seems a sensible enhancement to have. I have filed a request at
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=502406
Thanks for bringing it up.
Rahul
Reid Rivenburgh wrote:
qt-4.5.1-10.fc10.i386
That one is from updates-testing, you can get an F11 build in F11 updates-testing.
krusader-2.0.0-1.fc10.x86_64 kdeutils-4.2.3-1.fc10.x86_64
F11 builds of those are in the F11 updates. Make sure your /etc/yum.repos.d/updates.repo is enabled and run "yum update".
Kevin Kofler
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 4:56 AM, Lawrence E. Graves lgraves@risingstarmbc.com wrote:
On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 15:37 +1000, Greg wrote:
On 24/05/2009 2:50 PM, Reid Rivenburgh wrote:
Hi. I got my F11 preupdate to work; I think maybe an anaconda update did the trick. So now I'm running F11. I've run into a few issues. I used to have an audio volume applet installed in my gnome panel, which made it convenient to quickly adjust the volume. When I first logged in under F11, it put up a dialog that said something about that applet no longer exisitng. I don't see an obvious replacement. Is there something else I could use or install? (I guess I'll ask about other issues in other mails as necessary....)
Thanks!
-- Reid
Try running at a console:
alsamixer -c0
that should give you access to the 'real' hardware volume controls for your card. You may need to boost one of those to get full volume.
that may get you more sound volume
Install gst-mixer either at root or yum extender. Then go to system/preference/Advanced sound and there it is
Thanks for the pointers. I didn't have gst-mixer installed. But it looks like a standalone mixer tool. I'd like to have a gnome panel applet that I can use to easily mouse wheel up/down to change the volume. Does gst-mixer or something else provide that? I'm not even sure what the name of the volume applet was in F10 and earlier.... (And to clarify, sound is working fine.)
Reid
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Reid Rivenburgh reidr@pobox.com wrote:
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 4:56 AM, Lawrence E. Graves lgraves@risingstarmbc.com wrote:
On Sun, 2009-05-24 at 15:37 +1000, Greg wrote:
On 24/05/2009 2:50 PM, Reid Rivenburgh wrote:
Hi. I got my F11 preupdate to work; I think maybe an anaconda update did the trick. So now I'm running F11. I've run into a few issues. I used to have an audio volume applet installed in my gnome panel, which made it convenient to quickly adjust the volume. When I first logged in under F11, it put up a dialog that said something about that applet no longer exisitng. I don't see an obvious replacement. Is there something else I could use or install? (I guess I'll ask about other issues in other mails as necessary....)
Thanks!
-- Reid
Try running at a console:
alsamixer -c0
that should give you access to the 'real' hardware volume controls for your card. You may need to boost one of those to get full volume.
that may get you more sound volume
Install gst-mixer either at root or yum extender. Then go to system/preference/Advanced sound and there it is
Thanks for the pointers. I didn't have gst-mixer installed. But it looks like a standalone mixer tool. I'd like to have a gnome panel applet that I can use to easily mouse wheel up/down to change the volume. Does gst-mixer or something else provide that? I'm not even sure what the name of the volume applet was in F10 and earlier.... (And to clarify, sound is working fine.)
You should have an icon in the notification area. (It is no longer an applet but a notification area icon).
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 10:50 AM, drago01 drago01@gmail.com wrote:
You should have an icon in the notification area. (It is no longer an applet but a notification area icon).
You're right, I hadn't even noticed that! Thanks. Unfortunately, my notification area is on a short panel along the bottom. I used to have the volume applet on a wide panel along the right and was able to position it exactly where I wanted, in the upper-right corner. That made it easy to get to. (Position in the notification area seems a bit random.) Oh well, this is much better than nothing!
Thanks again, Reid
On 25/05/09 03:12, Reid Rivenburgh wrote:
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 10:50 AM, drago01drago01@gmail.com wrote:
You should have an icon in the notification area. (It is no longer an applet but a notification area icon).
You're right, I hadn't even noticed that! Thanks. Unfortunately, my notification area is on a short panel along the bottom. I used to have the volume applet on a wide panel along the right and was able to position it exactly where I wanted, in the upper-right corner. That made it easy to get to. (Position in the notification area seems a bit random.) Oh well, this is much better than nothing!
There is a bug filed [1] about that, and that bug got pointed to an upstream enhancement request [2] for deterministic ordering of notification icons. Any takers ?
[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=483231 [2] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=583115
DaveT.
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 9:04 AM, David Timms dtimms@iinet.net.au wrote:
On 25/05/09 03:12, Reid Rivenburgh wrote:
You're right, I hadn't even noticed that! Thanks. Unfortunately, my notification area is on a short panel along the bottom. I used to have the volume applet on a wide panel along the right and was able to position it exactly where I wanted, in the upper-right corner. That made it easy to get to. (Position in the notification area seems a bit random.) Oh well, this is much better than nothing!
There is a bug filed [1] about that, and that bug got pointed to an upstream enhancement request [2] for deterministic ordering of notification icons. Any takers ?
[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=483231 [2] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=583115
Wow, someone who did exactly what I was doing! Though, I think that redhat bug should really be a request to bring back the volume applet so that it can be placed anywhere. Requesting it go in the upper right is too specific. Being able to reorder notification icons or ordering them more predictably would be helpful, but in this case I'd still prefer an applet. No reason not to have both, right?
Thanks, Reid
Reid Rivenburgh wrote:
Hi. I got my F11 preupdate to work; I think maybe an anaconda update did the trick. So now I'm running F11. I've run into a few issues. I used to have an audio volume applet installed in my gnome panel, which made it convenient to quickly adjust the volume. When I first logged in under F11, it put up a dialog that said something about that applet no longer exisitng. I don't see an obvious replacement. Is there something else I could use or install? (I guess I'll ask about other issues in other mails as necessary....)
Developer's blog on the subject: http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/04/27/the-great-mixer-debate-or-where-did-...
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 13:56 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Reid Rivenburgh wrote:
Hi. I got my F11 preupdate to work; I think maybe an anaconda update did the trick. So now I'm running F11. I've run into a few issues. I used to have an audio volume applet installed in my gnome panel, which made it convenient to quickly adjust the volume. When I first logged in under F11, it put up a dialog that said something about that applet no longer exisitng. I don't see an obvious replacement. Is there something else I could use or install? (I guess I'll ask about other issues in other mails as necessary....)
Developer's blog on the subject: http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/04/27/the-great-mixer-debate-or-where-did-...
That's my blog, but I am not a developer (in the sense that I can't hack for toffee, and also in the sense that I don't work on gnome-media code :>). All I've done on the issue is package the old mixer for F11 and have it added to the default install. Just for clarity :)
Adam Williamson wrote:
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 13:56 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Reid Rivenburgh wrote:
Hi. I got my F11 preupdate to work; I think maybe an anaconda update did the trick. So now I'm running F11. I've run into a few issues. I used to have an audio volume applet installed in my gnome panel, which made it convenient to quickly adjust the volume. When I first logged in under F11, it put up a dialog that said something about that applet no longer exisitng. I don't see an obvious replacement. Is there something else I could use or install? (I guess I'll ask about other issues in other mails as necessary....)
Developer's blog on the subject: http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/04/27/the-great-mixer-debate-or-where-did-...
That's my blog, but I am not a developer (in the sense that I can't hack for toffee, and also in the sense that I don't work on gnome-media code :>). All I've done on the issue is package the old mixer for F11 and have it added to the default install. Just for clarity :)
And for that I think you, as probably all the people who have sound which doesn't work. The live snapshot has never produced a sound for me on any machine, real or virtual, including all the ones I use for fc10 (with sound).
On Mon, 2009-05-25 at 20:29 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
And for that I think you, as probably all the people who have sound which doesn't work. The live snapshot has never produced a sound for me on any machine, real or virtual, including all the ones I use for fc10 (with sound).
If it's a problem which you can solve by running an old-style mixer and increasing the level of a certain channel, please file a bug on this according to the instructions at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=497966#c1 , if you didn't already. Thanks :)