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Re: Severn Beta2
by Jef Spaleta 18 Aug '03

18 Aug '03

>it should be obvious that the ximian package is older and should be >replaced (or if it is newer.. than it should be left...). Maybe this is a >simplistic example though... its never enough to think of the simplistic example...the simplistic examples are never the ones that actually bite you in the arse when you implement things. First...newest doesn't mean squat! There is a reason why Epoch was invented. Second...you need to think of dependency chains instead of version numbers. What really really matters are the provides and requires of the packages, not to mention the API or whatever defines how the payload in said package interacts with other things. Version numbers are a horrid measure of worthwhileness. And when it comes to things like libraries..you have to be very particular about what package provides what library...and you have to be very aware that how xim builds its provides/requires can be deliberately inconsistent with how the base does it. http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=44442 What the hell do you do when yer add-on vendor builds their replacement packages using a dependency NOT in the base? its not just a direct bolt on then. Upgrades from the original vendor would not install cleanly in this case because they were built with a different dependency chain in mind. I contend that once you replace vendor A with vendor B's package...then you must prefer upgrades for that package from vendor B...or you risk major dependency issues. In my world view upgrade tools should try to be smart and by default only choose upgrades from the vendor/gpg sig for the package you already have installed....but this idea breaks down for base upgrades where the basic dependency structure you are relying on is massively changed. I don't have a smug, i know best, answer for how to do a sane base upgrade with multiple layers of 3rd party repo installs yet. But as soon as a dream one up I'll make it a point to beat the idea into the head of every package maintainer on this list. In the case of the base upgrade I think the logic runs the other way...you have to prefer the base package, so that dependancies chains will work out. You can't hold back development of the base release because it breaks pre-existing 3rd party packages....but hopefully a more open development cycle in the future will mean that interested 3rd party packagers will be able to keep their offerings in sync in a very timely manner. In the meantime...if ximian is not going to take advantage of the beta cycle so that you as an avid ximian fan can test their stuff for the upcoming rhl release...yer SOL. You can't hold up a base release because add-ons, no matter how popular, aren't ready to roll forward. -jef"but more importantly, ximian has the better t-shirt logo"spaleta

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Can't install Severn on a Cyrix P166
by Leonard den Ottolander 18 Aug '03

18 Aug '03

Hi, I seem to be unable to install Severn on a Cyrix P166 with 80MB. Actually I think this problem exists since 8.0. For some reason booting from CD fails, the machine reboots as soon as it tries to boot from the CD. I am not seeing this problem with 7.3. Using noapic, noacpi and nodma doesn't seem to make a difference. When booting from a boot floppy I manage to get as far as the package selection, but after OK-ing my selection the installation exits abnormally. No specific error is given on any of the tty's. Same thing happens with a hd installation. Another issue that surprises me is the fact that Severn doesn't recognize my serial mouse. Also this problem doesn't exist with 7.3. Even after selecting the correct mouse and port Severn doesn't recognize the mouse. Is the probing for serial mice deleted from the installer? Bye, Leonard. -- How clean is a war when you shoot around nukelar waste? Stop the use of depleted uranium ammo! End all weapons of mass destruction.

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Using ALSA?....
by Glen Maeding 18 Aug '03

18 Aug '03

Several questions: 1) How do you check to see if its using ALSA instead of OSS in console? I am aware that kernel 2.6.0 tests should have ALSA in it, so I went to get the plugin for XMMS to use it and tried to ./configure it, came back with errors: checking for libasound headers version >= 0.9.0... not present. configure: error: Sufficiently new version of libasound not found. I am trying to use alsa-xmms-0.9.12. 2) Where do you get the latest kernel rpm's for this beta release? I used this link to get the rpms from it: http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/2.5/ I downloaded it and installed it pretty successfully ( minus this network rpmsave thing, fixed it tho and the mouse lost its scroll wheel functions somehow ). By the way, I tested this kernel in RH9 too. * ** Glen Maeding * ** MIS Tech @ Kidspeace Inc. * ** Webmaster of MIS-comm, Pdangel.org, and others... * ** E-mail: gmaeding(a)kidspeace.org * ** Pager e-mail: goik(a)tmail.com

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radeon panic and 2.6 kernel
by Matt Whiteley 18 Aug '03

18 Aug '03

I searched the archives for a similar problem. When I tried Arjan's 2.6 rpm on my shrike install it worked great. When I try either the test1 or test2 rpms with severn I got no display. After removing the vga=791 param from the grub line I can see the kernel messages but the x server doesn't start. from /var/log/messages Jul 30 19:47:30 alt kernel: [drm:radeon_unlock] *ERROR* Process 45 using kernel context 0 Jul 30 19:47:54 alt kernel: [drm:radeon_cp_init] *ERROR* radeon_cp_init called without lock held Jul 30 19:47:54 alt kernel: [drm:radeon_unlock] *ERROR* Process 1677 using kernel context 0 Jul 30 19:47:58 alt kernel: [drm:radeon_cp_init] *ERROR* radeon_cp_init called without lock held Jul 30 19:47:58 alt kernel: [drm:radeon_unlock] *ERROR* Process 1682 using kernel context 0 Jul 30 19:48:06 alt kernel: [drm:radeon_cp_init] *ERROR* radeon_cp_init called without lock held ... from /var/log/XFree86.0.log Fatal server error: failed to initialize core devices Do I need to change something in the XF86Config or the modules.conf or what? thanks, -- Matt Whiteley <matt-whiteley(a)comcast.net>

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New Bluecurve theme bug
by Noah Silva [Mailing list] 18 Aug '03

18 Aug '03

Hi, [Should Rawhide stuff go to a different list?] I was testing out the new bluecurve theme, and found a possible bug: The title-bar buttons sometimes get cut off. http://aoi.atari-source.com/~nsilva/shots/20030818_rhl_bluecurve_ng_bug_scr… (This is in RHL9 with the updated redhat-artwork from rawhide as listed on gnome.org today). -- noah silva

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upgrading from rhl 9 -> very slow system?
by Noah Silva [Mailing list] 18 Aug '03

18 Aug '03

Hi, Perhaps this should be files in bugzilla too, but has anyone seen this: I upgraded a machine from a stock RHL9 install to Severn, and it was -very- slow to start up, log in, etc. I checked TOP, and there was no heavy processor usage, so maybe it was a disk bound slowness? I then installed Severn on the same machine again, this time obliterating the old install, and it worked fine. (much faster). (this was on a Dell desktop). Possibly a related problem: I had a dell laptop with Severn that also was being extremely slow, but when I took out the Wireless PCMCIA card, it sped right up. All I can figure was that some part of gnome (or something?) was waiting for DHCP to finish or something like that? -- noah silva

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lost the GNOME panel, how do I get it back?
by Elton Woo 18 Aug '03

18 Aug '03

I installed gnome-panel-2.3.6.2-2.i386.rpm from rawhide, and I guess in so doing, I manged to kill off the Gnome panel. The only apps that run are the ones that I have configured to autostart. I no longer have the applications list, or even access to the console window. HOW do I get back the default panel? Elton 8-| -- http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/stats/team/team_4504.html "You only live once, so let's make life EASIER for each other." LINUX Registered User #193975. AMD-K7 ATHLON CPU power on board.

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Possible bugs in Shrike and Severn installed on Toashiba Satellite 2450-S203
by Ossama Khayaat 18 Aug '03

18 Aug '03

Hi, I've installed both Shrike and Severn on my Toshiba Satellite 2450-S203. This is the latest model from Toshiba (at least in the Middle East) which has: - P4 2.8GHz (400MHz FSB) - 512MB DDR ram - 40GB HDD - External USB Floppy - CD DVD-R/RW drive (combo) - GeForce4 420 Go with 32MB DDR VRAM - 15" TFT (1024x768 max resolution) - V.90 modem, LAN, IEEE 1394, Fast IR, SD Card, 3xUSB 2.0 ... so I mentioned this for reference. Now, the system seems working so smooth on both versions, but noticed these things during the period of test: + Sound is detected and working fine, but not when I login as root. + When double clicking on 'Start Here' shortcut in the /home/user/Desktop folder, you get '..not a valid location error' (attached screen shot). + When you open the 'Home' folder, it opens in Konqueror instead of Nautilus + Try to open the floppy disk, and you get a '..no capable viewer..' error thing. Though, if you right-click the desktop, choose Disks->Floppy it will work fine, though it's so slow at first view/mount. The previously mentioned points are valid in both releases. + When the system goes in power saving mode and I want to resume: = I can't use my USB mouse to resume, only touchpad and/or keyboard. = The screen goes so wide that I have to switch to a console and back to X so that it restores correctly. Finally, only in Shrike (because this doesn't work anyway in Severn): + When you add the battery monitoring tool, it always show 'critical'. Other than this, the system is really excellent running both releases. Thanks, Ossama Khayat --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003

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RE: 'Fn key' and ACPI on dell laptops
by Ossama Khayaat 18 Aug '03

18 Aug '03

This is true for Toshiba satellite laptops too. The 'Fn' key isn't working at all! Is there any software to be installed? Also, when trying to add the 'Battery Charge Monitor' is crashes! Regards, Ossama Khayat Alexander Volovics wrote: > Dell laptops have a blue Fn key. > Under APM pressing 'Fn-setup' and 'Fn-battery' would show the > BIOS setup and the battery status. > > Under ACPI this is no longer possible. > Why does using ACPI disable this functionality? > > Alexander --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003

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2 batteries in laptop + acpi
by Alexander Volovics 18 Aug '03

18 Aug '03

I have severn running on a dell i8100. ACPI seems to be registering most events and also reporting some events correctly. I was surprised the battery applet on the panel reported battery status quite accurately. Also /proc/acpi/battery has entries for BAT0 and BAT1 and /proc/acpi/battery/BATx/state and /proc/acpi/battery/BATx/info, x=0,1, seem to be reporting events correctly when 2 batteries are inserted. (but the battery applet does not register the second battery!). However acpi does not seem to be capable of handling 2 batteries. When one battery is depleted the laptop abruptly aborts and does not switch to using the second battery. I this a known shortcoming (bug?) or is there some way of configuring the system to use the second battery when the first is empty. Should I bugzilla this? Alexander

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