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Correct assignment of /dev/lp0?
by Paul F. Johnson 12 Apr '05

12 Apr '05

Hi, I have a Visioneer 4800 scanner attached to a USB port. If I do scanimage -L, it is reporting to be on /dev/lp0 rather than /dev/usbscanner (or something similar). Is this correct? I want to check before throwing this into bugzilla. TTFN Paul -- "It is often said that something cannot be libel if it is the truth. This has had to be amended to 'something cannot be libel if it is the truth or if the bank balance says otherwise'" - US Today

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Kickstart ate my windoze partition maybe?
by Tom Diehl 12 Apr '05

12 Apr '05

Hi all, I hate to break up all of the arguments about grub vs lilo but I have a different question/problem. I have a dell 2650 laptop that I had XP and FC3 installed on. I took the partition table from the anaconda-ks.cfg file and dropped it into the ks-cfg file I used to install today's rawhide. The thing installed fine but it wiped the XP partition. Can someone take a look at the following snippett and tell me if this is my mistake or a bug in anaconda/kickstart? clearpart --linux --drives=hda part /boot --fstype "ext3" --size=100 --ondisk=hda part pv.3 --size=0 --grow --ondisk=hda volgroup VolGroup00 pv.3 logvol /home --fstype ext3 --name=LogVol05 --vgname=VolGroup00 --size=5088 logvol /tmp --fstype ext3 --name=LogVol04 --vgname=VolGroup00 --size=512 logvol /var --fstype ext3 --name=LogVol03 --vgname=VolGroup00 --size=1024 logvol / --fstype ext3 --name=LogVol00 --vgname=VolGroup00 --size=1024 logvol /usr/local --fstype ext3 --name=LogVol02 --vgname=VolGroup00 --size=224 logvol swap --fstype swap --name=LogVol06 --vgname=VolGroup00 --size=1024 logvol /usr --fstype ext3 --name=LogVol01 --vgname=VolGroup00 --size=5024 If it is a bug I will be glad to file it in bugzilla. I just want to be sure this is not operator error. Actually since this info was generated by anaconda during the install of FC3, if it is wrong I guess it is still a bug. XP was installed b4 I installed FC3. All was fine until I did the kickstart install this afternoon. If someone has any ideas what went wrong here I am willing to do it again even if I trash the install again. There is nothing on the machine I care about. It just means yet another windoze reinstall. I guess I could ghost the thing to save time but..... Regards, Tom Diehl tdiehl(a)rogueind.com Spamtrap address mtd123(a)rogueind.com

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during yum update, "/usr/lib/gcj-4.0.0/classmap.db" not found
by Robert P. J. Day 12 Apr '05

12 Apr '05

after a "full" install of fc4t2, i ran "yum update", pulled up a chair to watch 300+ packages get updated but, during the actual update, got a small number of errors similar to the subject line which caused scriptlet errors in the update of some eclipse packages. i queried bugzilla but saw nothing obvious related to this. anyone else see this? rday

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NFS install with ISO images still borked in fc4t2?
by Robert P. J. Day 12 Apr '05

12 Apr '05

perhaps i'm just doing something wrong but is it still the case that NFS installs with ISO images don't work? i'm getting the same error as i did with fc4t1 -- "That directory does not seem to contain a Fedora Core installation tree." this is described at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=150887 and the final comment promises that "And then, there's the upcoming FC4test2, in which this is going to work (confirmed with an internal compose last night)." so what's the story? rday

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RE: FC4t2 no good without LILO
by Dana Lacoste 12 Apr '05

12 Apr '05

> > So there's no way to install with some systems because it messes up > > the partition table. > you can't run fdisk in the provided virtual terminal on alt-ctrl-f2 or f3? > I could have sworn you had access to fdisk through the provided > virtual terminal. Yes, but then I can't select those partitions to install to. I tried and tried and tried to make Test1 install to an existing partition but it refused, it would only install to a partition that Disk Druid created, but Disk Druid trashed my partition table. I found a solution (boot with hda=cyl,heads,sectors) but not on this mailing list (or any other fedora mailing list for that matter) but on a website where someone had posted "how I made fedora install on my thinkpad" I apologize for mixing my issue with the lilo issue (mine wasn't grub related) but the attitude I saw on the mailing list made me appreciate Guy and Mike's comments: the FC4 installs do not work on very very very common hardware and any time we ask for help or understanding or a way to use tools that we know _do_ work we get told that we're not helpful and should shut up. Sure, Guy got carried away, but so did the people who followed him up accusing him of just being a troll. I'm trying to find out what Fedora's goal is: I know RedHat controls it and I'm used to working around RedHat things, but when it just plain doesn't work with my brand new laptop, made by such a small little known company (IBM) and I see other people getting frustrated as well and things like OpenOffice being installed on a minimal setup.... That's gotta suck :) Dana "OK, going back to work" Lacoste

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Firestarter for firewall configuration?
by IgnitionWorks 12 Apr '05

12 Apr '05

Hello all, I have FC4T2 installed on Dual AMD Opteron box and so far so good :) With each update, more bugs seem to be squashed. FC4 includes a firewall and SELinux configuration tool. Can firestarter be the default tool for firewall configuration. It has more features and easy to configure. Why reinvent the wheel? I welcome comments from other testers .. Also, can FC4 be made secure by default? Couple of things I can think off on the top off my head, * Enable pam_wheel module (users in wheel group can be su) * Enable auto-logout after x minutes? * Disallow root login from X which can be reenabled at Login Screen? * Disallow remote root login (currently enabled in sshd_conf) * Enforce strict password policy (length, complexity etc..) .... .... I'm sure there several other configuration to make it secure by default. Josh __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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RE: FC4t2 no good without LILO
by Dana Lacoste 12 Apr '05

12 Apr '05

> > Here's a question -- does grub work yet if your boot device is >2TB? > > Yes, no, and maybe. It depends on how you partition, and we don't yet > do GPT partitioning; that's an installer bug and an fdisk/parted bug as > much as anything else. Somebody's been threatening to send me a box to > use to fix it, but nothing has shown up yet. I'll start coding it blind > at some point, I guess... OK, let me get this straight. "Some people can't use this at all, it doesn't work at all for them, but because it works for me they have to use what I use, like it or lump it." I'll try test2 later this week, but I've already had to stop testing my install of test1 because disk druid trashed my partition table (in a well known yet still completely stupid manner) on install. But there's no other way to fdisk with the installer, so I can't install. So there's no way to install with some systems because it messes up the partition table. And there's no way to install with other systems cuz it won't boot after cuz grub just plain doesn't work. And the Fedora team is going to fix these problems by eliminating the tools that do work? I think I can see why the "switch to Mac!" articles have been so common lately. Dana "Hmm, wonder if I can switch back to BSD?" Lacoste PS: OpenOffice in minimal install? PPS: Perhaps labelling Fedora as a "desktop-only, NO SERVER SUPPORT" OS would be appropriate?

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RE: FC4t2 no good without LILO
by Dana Lacoste 12 Apr '05

12 Apr '05

> > you can't run fdisk in the provided virtual terminal on alt-ctrl-f2 or f3? > > I could have sworn you had access to fdisk through the provided > > virtual terminal. > Yes, but then I can't select those partitions to install to. To elaborate, here's what I went through (in case anyone cares) I have XP installed. I can't uninstall it because it would make running InstallShield a lot harder (I do a lot of different projects :) So I resized my NTFS and did some non-IT-supported messing around to make space for my Linux install. I install FC4. It sees my partition table fine. The partition table is in LBA mode (255 heads) and FC4 requires that I select a partition in Disk Druid to install to. I create a new partition, install away, reboot, grub works fine, linux works fine, but XP won't boot any more. Turns out that it won't boot because when Disk Druid re-wrote the partition table, it did it in the old way (16 heads, huge number of cylinders instead of 255 heads, smaller cylinders. I forget which one is which, but the difference between "Large" and "LBA" in old BIOS's [not selectable on new thinkpads]) I decide to continue testing to find a way around this: the answer is that there is none: the installer won't let you select an existing partition (empty) to install to, and disk druid trashes the partition table. the only way around that is to add an "hda=cyl,sec,heads" boot parameter. I did this, it's working, no complaints (well, nothing major ;) Asking for anything but disk druid to be used would be silly, I think we could all agree, but sfdisk and fdisk and the rescue CD I used to resize NTFS (qt-parted) all worked fine. This is directly analogous to the grub vs. lilo debate. It's not that I can't make it work, it's that the default install will just simply not work on existing hardware configurations that aren't unusual. If it was quirky hardware, sure, if it was an obscure request, sure, but neither of those was true, it just didn't work for me (and I ended up reinstalling XP and FC4 before I found out the "trick" of how to make it work.) Dana "trying to be helpful" Lacoste

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RE: FC4t2 no good without LILO
by Dana Lacoste 12 Apr '05

12 Apr '05

> > > PPS: Perhaps labelling Fedora as a "desktop-only, NO SERVER SUPPORT" OS > > > would be appropriate? OK, I have to apologize for asking this, cuz I was being a shit :) > > How about we better define what "server" means. But this! This is perfect! A constrcutive re-wording of what I said. I like that a lot. Thanks :) > "no kde or gnome" ? maybe no x11 at all? Ooooooooooohhhhh that would be PERFECT. Not just a text mode install, but installing only text. Dana "wiping drool off his chin" Lacoste :)

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RE: FC4t2 no good without LILO
by Dana Lacoste 12 Apr '05

12 Apr '05

> > Why is Fedora betting its farm? > > That is the function of Fedora. New technology that is risky. If you > want old, stable technology, there is always Debian. That would make sense if the grub problems were with old, stable hardware, but it's that grub doesn't work with new technology that's risky. What system do you use for development? Could it be that you need to upgrade to new, risky technology in order to properly test Fedora? Dana "this thread is stupid. I'm going to bring up Hitler soon to kill it off" Lacoste

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