So there's no way to install with some systems because it messes up the partition table.
you can't run fdisk in the provided virtual terminal on alt-ctrl-f2 or f3? I could have sworn you had access to fdisk through the provided virtual terminal.
Yes, but then I can't select those partitions to install to.
I tried and tried and tried to make Test1 install to an existing partition but it refused, it would only install to a partition that Disk Druid created, but Disk Druid trashed my partition table.
I found a solution (boot with hda=cyl,heads,sectors) but not on this mailing list (or any other fedora mailing list for that matter) but on a website where someone had posted "how I made fedora install on my thinkpad"
I apologize for mixing my issue with the lilo issue (mine wasn't grub related) but the attitude I saw on the mailing list made me appreciate Guy and Mike's comments: the FC4 installs do not work on very very very common hardware and any time we ask for help or understanding or a way to use tools that we know _do_ work we get told that we're not helpful and should shut up.
Sure, Guy got carried away, but so did the people who followed him up accusing him of just being a troll.
I'm trying to find out what Fedora's goal is: I know RedHat controls it and I'm used to working around RedHat things, but when it just plain doesn't work with my brand new laptop, made by such a small little known company (IBM) and I see other people getting frustrated as well and things like OpenOffice being installed on a minimal setup....
That's gotta suck :)
Dana "OK, going back to work" Lacoste