3:08 a.m.
How does anaconda go about detecting the time zone / country / language?
I just went about installing from DVD and It is being detected that I would want to use
Bengali and that my time zone is Asia/Dhaka.
The previous version got it right. Traditional Chinese and Asia/Taipei.
I'm installing in VBox VM.
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3:12 a.m.
On 06/05/13 16:08, Ed Greshko wrote:
How does anaconda go about detecting the time zone / country /
language?
I just went about installing from DVD and It is being detected that I would want to use
Bengali and that my time zone is Asia/Dhaka.
The previous version got it right. Traditional Chinese and Asia/Taipei.
I'm installing in VBox VM.
Well, this is weird...I went back and booted the previous beta with the same results.
So what could have changed?
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3:50 a.m.
On 06/05/13 16:08, Ed Greshko wrote:
> How does anaconda go about detecting the time zone / country / language?
>
> I just went about installing from DVD and It is being detected that I would
> want to use Bengali and that my time zone is Asia/Dhaka.
>
> The previous version got it right. Traditional Chinese and Asia/Taipei.
>
> I'm installing in VBox VM.
>
Well, this is weird...I went back and booted the previous beta with the same
results.
So what could have changed?
I guess they're using some sort of an online service, and the service now returns
different results than it used to. You might want to talk to vpodzime on #anaconda IRC.
11:08 a.m.
On Wed, 2013-06-05 at 04:50 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote:
> On 06/05/13 16:08, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > How does anaconda go about detecting the time zone / country / language?
> >
> > I just went about installing from DVD and It is being detected that I would
> > want to use Bengali and that my time zone is Asia/Dhaka.
> >
> > The previous version got it right. Traditional Chinese and Asia/Taipei.
> >
> > I'm installing in VBox VM.
> >
>
> Well, this is weird...I went back and booted the previous beta with the same
> results.
>
> So what could have changed?
I guess they're using some sort of an online service, and the service now returns
different results than it used to. You might want to talk to vpodzime on #anaconda IRC.
Beta and Final TC1 use the mirrormanager service to get a country code.
There's a patch to use the new Fedora infrastructure geolocation API,
though, which should give far better results:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=963531
there's an updates.img there you can try (not sure if it applies cleanly
against TC1, though). That'll probably wind up in Final if no issues are
found.
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4:34 p.m.
On 06/06/13 00:08, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2013-06-05 at 04:50 -0400, Kamil Paral wrote:
>> On 06/05/13 16:08, Ed Greshko wrote:
>>> How does anaconda go about detecting the time zone / country / language?
>>>
>>> I just went about installing from DVD and It is being detected that I would
>>> want to use Bengali and that my time zone is Asia/Dhaka.
>>>
>>> The previous version got it right. Traditional Chinese and Asia/Taipei.
>>>
>>> I'm installing in VBox VM.
>>>
>> Well, this is weird...I went back and booted the previous beta with the same
>> results.
>>
>> So what could have changed?
> I guess they're using some sort of an online service, and the service now returns
different results than it used to. You might want to talk to vpodzime on #anaconda IRC.
Beta and Final TC1 use the mirrormanager service to get a country code.
There's a patch to use the new Fedora infrastructure geolocation API,
though, which should give far better results:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=963531
there's an updates.img there you can try (not sure if it applies cleanly
against TC1, though). That'll probably wind up in Final if no issues are
found.
Yes, thanks, I found that out via vpodzime on #anaconda IRC and I'm testing the new
Fedora infrastructure system and all is well.
I certainly hope it gets into the final. It would be disconcerting for a native Taiwanese
to be presented with a screen in Bengali. :-) :-)
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1:59 a.m.
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 05:34:11AM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
I certainly hope it gets into the final. It would be disconcerting
for a native Taiwanese to be presented with a screen in Bengali. :-) :-)
Even when a Bengali speaker got a screen in Bengali how you can be even
remotely sure that her/his neighbour has some vague idea about the
language?
I just had this experience that because I travel Google starts to write
to me in a script which I do not grok at all. Yes, there is a "Switch
to English" option but for some reasons does not seem to work too well.
Michal
12:32 p.m.
On Thu, 2013-06-06 at 08:59 +0200, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 05:34:11AM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>
> I certainly hope it gets into the final. It would be disconcerting
> for a native Taiwanese to be presented with a screen in Bengali. :-) :-)
Even when a Bengali speaker got a screen in Bengali how you can be even
remotely sure that her/his neighbour has some vague idea about the
language?
You can't, but then, we can't really figure that everyone who fires up a
Fedora image speaks English either.
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1:20 p.m.
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 10:32:44AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Thu, 2013-06-06 at 08:59 +0200, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 05:34:11AM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> >
> > I certainly hope it gets into the final. It would be disconcerting
> > for a native Taiwanese to be presented with a screen in Bengali. :-) :-)
>
> Even when a Bengali speaker got a screen in Bengali how you can be even
> remotely sure that her/his neighbour has some vague idea about the
> language?
You can't, but then, we can't really figure that everyone who fires up a
Fedora image speaks English either.
Just Bengali is an "interesting" case. Even if it was assumed
"correctly" in the same geographical region you can find other languages
in use, not necessarily using the same script, and a common denominator
will be provided by a some variant of English. :-)
Michal
1:27 p.m.
On Thu, 2013-06-06 at 20:20 +0200, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 10:32:44AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-06-06 at 08:59 +0200, Michal Jaegermann wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 05:34:11AM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > >
> > > I certainly hope it gets into the final. It would be disconcerting
> > > for a native Taiwanese to be presented with a screen in Bengali. :-) :-)
> >
> > Even when a Bengali speaker got a screen in Bengali how you can be even
> > remotely sure that her/his neighbour has some vague idea about the
> > language?
>
> You can't, but then, we can't really figure that everyone who fires up a
> Fedora image speaks English either.
Just Bengali is an "interesting" case. Even if it was assumed
"correctly" in the same geographical region you can find other languages
in use, not necessarily using the same script, and a common denominator
will be provided by a some variant of English. :-)
Yes, I'm aware of the pitfalls of languages in India. Is anaconda
*actually* setting the default language based on the geolocation stuff,
btw, or is someone just guessing that it might?
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12:11 p.m.
On Wed, 5 Jun 2013, Ed Greshko wrote:
How does anaconda go about detecting the time zone / country /
language?
???
My recollection is that it doesn't, it asks.
That said, F15 is the last one I was able to install.
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12:18 p.m.
On Wed, 2013-06-05 at 12:11 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jun 2013, Ed Greshko wrote:
> How does anaconda go about detecting the time zone / country / language?
???
My recollection is that it doesn't, it asks.
As of F19 it does, it doesn't just default to America/New York (or try
and guess based on language selection), it tries to get the default
right via geolocation.
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11:29 p.m.
On 06/05/2013 01:18 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
As of F19 it does, it doesn't just default to America/New York
(or try
and guess based on language selection), it tries to get the default
right via geolocation.
This is the sort of thing that needs to go into the release
notes,
marketing material etc. Hopefully someone in the know
12:15 a.m.
On Thu, 2013-06-06 at 00:29 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 06/05/2013 01:18 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> As of F19 it does, it doesn't just default to America/New York (or try
> and guess based on language selection), it tries to get the default
> right via geolocation.
This is the sort of thing that needs to go into the release notes,
marketing material etc. Hopefully someone in the know
Eh, it didn't really seem that significant to me, and it ought to be
pretty obvious...but you can throw a needs_release_note flag on the bug
if you like.
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12:26 a.m.
On 06/06/2013 01:15 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Eh, it didn't really seem that significant to me, and it ought to
be
pretty obvious...but you can throw a needs_release_note flag on the bug
if you like.
Not on its own but along with the rest of the changes, it should be
documented. This is sort of thing reviewers tend to notice and users
might be surprised by. I am not sure the installation beat was covered
at all in this cycle. and I don't know the relevant bug here but please
tag them as appropriate.
Rahul
1:05 a.m.
On Thu, 2013-06-06 at 01:26 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 06/06/2013 01:15 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Eh, it didn't really seem that significant to me, and it ought to be
> pretty obvious...but you can throw a needs_release_note flag on the bug
> if you like.
Not on its own but along with the rest of the changes, it should be
documented. This is sort of thing reviewers tend to notice and users
might be surprised by. I am not sure the installation beat was covered
at all in this cycle. and I don't know the relevant bug here but please
tag them as appropriate.
oh jeez, it might just be better if I write something up, remembering
all the bug IDs would be fun...i'll throw it at my todo list.
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10:39 a.m.
On Wed, 05 Jun 2013 23:05:04 -0700
Adam Williamson <awilliam(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Thu, 2013-06-06 at 01:26 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 06/06/2013 01:15 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Eh, it didn't really seem that significant to me, and it ought to
> > be pretty obvious...but you can throw a needs_release_note flag
> > on the bug if you like.
> Not on its own but along with the rest of the changes, it should be
> documented. This is sort of thing reviewers tend to notice and
> users might be surprised by. I am not sure the installation beat
> was covered at all in this cycle. and I don't know the relevant bug
> here but please tag them as appropriate.
oh jeez, it might just be better if I write something up, remembering
all the bug IDs would be fun...i'll throw it at my todo list.
FYI, for the curious... Fedora Infrastructure is running the service
this uses. It's a simple wsgi script with geoip-geolite:
https://github.com/mdomsch/geoip-city-wsgi
It does not work for ipv6 addresses, but otherwise seems to work ok.
Happy to provide or track down more info on it if anyone has questions.
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