Latest rawhide updates seem to have removed the shutdown option at gdm and gnome logout

[Jef Spaleta]

As the subject says, applying the latest updates i seem to have lost
the ability to select shutdown from gdm login screen and gnome logout
dialog. The reboot option remains.
A few questions:

Anyone else see this change in default behavior for locally logged in users?
How do I re-enable the shutdown option again in gdm and gnome dialog?
Is this a bug or a delibrate change in behavior?


-jef"why don't they make Biore back strips?"spaleta

[Gerry Tool]

Jeff Spaleta wrote:

>  Anyone else see this change in default behavior for locally logged in
> users?
>  How do I re-enable the shutdown option again in gdm and gnome dialog?
>  Is this a bug or a delibrate change in behavior?
>   
I see the same behaviour, but can't answer the other questions. 
Deliberately making it act this way doesn't seem sensible.

Gerry Tool

[Jef Spaleta]

On 4/27/05, Gerry Tool <gstool(a)earthlink.net&gt; wrote:
>  I see the same behaviour, but can't answer the other questions.
>  Deliberately making it act this way doesn't seem sensible. 
For 'modern' hardware with operational acpi the power button does a
clean shutdown, so there is an argument to be made for this being a
forward looking default. I'm not really concerned about arguing about
default behavior i just want to know how to re-enable it for my older
hardware as needed and whether or not this needs to be filed if this
is actually a bug.  If this is an intended change in default behavior,
I'll let other people light the torches and wave around pitchforks
while lusting for the sticky sweet blood of developers.  I'll gladly
settle for learning how to reconfigure options as needed so I can get
a shutdown back on my gdm login for my older non-acpi hardware.

-jef"my k6-2 box is definitely not going to have a soft reboot when
the power button is hit"spaleta

[Chris Adams]

Once upon a time, Jeff Spaleta <jspaleta(a)gmail.com&gt; said:
>  For 'modern' hardware with operational acpi the power button
> does a
>  clean shutdown, so there is an argument to be made for this being a
>  forward looking default. 
That presumes that the power button is conveniently located.  It also
presumes that (especially for rack mounted systems) you know which
system your current console is attached to.

-- 
Chris Adams <cmadams(a)hiwaay.net&gt;
Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services
I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.

[Rodd Clarkson]

On Wed, 2005-04-27 at 21:17 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
>  On 4/27/05, Gerry Tool <gstool(a)earthlink.net&gt; wrote:
>  > I see the same behaviour, but can't answer the other questions.
>  > Deliberately making it act this way doesn't seem sensible.
>  
>  For 'modern' hardware with operational acpi the power button does a
>  clean shutdown, so there is an argument to be made for this being a
>  forward looking default. I'm not really concerned about arguing about
>  default behavior i just want to know how to re-enable it for my older
>  hardware as needed and whether or not this needs to be filed if this
>  is actually a bug.  If this is an intended change in default behavior,
>  I'll let other people light the torches and wave around pitchforks
>  while lusting for the sticky sweet blood of developers.  I'll gladly
>  settle for learning how to reconfigure options as needed so I can get
>  a shutdown back on my gdm login for my older non-acpi hardware. 
Jef,

I;m seeing this too.  While GNOME only allows you to logout from a
session (requiring you to log out and then shutdown) I'd be pretty
confident that this is a bug (FC, as I understand it, runs a patch to
add the shutdown and reboot options to the panel menu).

Given that there's no mention of removing shutdown in the change logs
for the most recent build I'd be confident that this is an oops.



R.

[Guy Fraser]

On Wed, 2005-27-04 at 21:17 -0400, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
>  On 4/27/05, Gerry Tool <gstool(a)earthlink.net&gt; wrote:
>  > I see the same behaviour, but can't answer the other questions.
>  > Deliberately making it act this way doesn't seem sensible.
>  
>  For 'modern' hardware with operational acpi the power button does a
>  clean shutdown, so there is an argument to be made for this being a
>  forward looking default. I'm not really concerned about arguing about
>  default behavior i just want to know how to re-enable it for my older
>  hardware as needed and whether or not this needs to be filed if this
>  is actually a bug.  If this is an intended change in default behavior,
>  I'll let other people light the torches and wave around pitchforks
>  while lusting for the sticky sweet blood of developers.  I'll gladly
>  settle for learning how to reconfigure options as needed so I can get
>  a shutdown back on my gdm login for my older non-acpi hardware.
>  
>  -jef"my k6-2 box is definitely not going to have a soft reboot when
>  the power button is hit"spaleta 
This assumes that you want to allow the
machine to be shutdown 
when the power button is pressed. It may be a reasonable assumption 
but the power button may not be accessible or may be disabled.

In any case the option should be available to the administrator 
to decide.

[Kyrre Ness Sjobak]

tor, 28.04.2005 kl. 03.17 skrev Jeff Spaleta:
>  On 4/27/05, Gerry Tool <gstool(a)earthlink.net&gt; wrote:
>  > I see the same behaviour, but can't answer the other questions.
>  > Deliberately making it act this way doesn't seem sensible.
>  
>  For 'modern' hardware with operational acpi the power button does a
>  clean shutdown, so there is an argument to be made for this being a
>  forward looking default. I'm not really concerned about arguing about
>  default behavior i just want to know how to re-enable it for my older
>  hardware as needed and whether or not this needs to be filed if this
>  is actually a bug.  If this is an intended change in default behavior,
>  I'll let other people light the torches and wave around pitchforks
>  while lusting for the sticky sweet blood of developers.  I'll gladly
>  settle for learning how to reconfigure options as needed so I can get
>  a shutdown back on my gdm login for my older non-acpi hardware.
>  
>  -jef"my k6-2 box is definitely not going to have a soft reboot when
>  the power button is hit"spaleta 
What about the currently logged on gnome session - will that be
"properly" logged off?

Kyrre

[Ray Strode]

Hi,
>  As the subject says, applying the latest updates i seem to have lost
>  the ability to select shutdown from gdm login screen and gnome logout
>  dialog. The reboot option remains. 
Yea that's a bug that I fixed a while ago
and reverted yesterday on
accident.  

--Ray