Currently the Gnome SW update mechanism seems to run faulty

[Joerg Lechner]

Hi,
when I run install updates via Yumex, there are no updates to install. When I try to do
the same with Gnome SW there are 3 updates requested (see screenshot,......... this is my
current way to explain, what I mean, because of lack of the correct English SW terms), but
they will not be installed, when requested.
I think the updates requested are already installed, but still requested. Or the
"Betriebsystemaktualisierungen" are announced somewhere, but not in the library,
where the updates will be taken to install, anyway there seem to be an error somewhere in
Gnome. Date 2015-04-27 15:31 UTC. Is this worthwhile to file a bug?
Kind Regards

[Michael Schwendt]

On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 11:33:47 -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote:

>  Hi,
>  when I run install updates via Yumex, there are no updates to install. When I try to do
> the same with Gnome SW there are 3 updates requested (see screenshot,......... this is my
> current way to explain, what I mean, because of lack of the correct English SW terms), but
> they will not be installed, when requested.
>  I think the updates requested are already installed, but still requested. Or the
> "Betriebsystemaktualisierungen" are announced somewhere, but not in the library,
> where the updates will be taken to install, anyway there seem to be an error somewhere in
> Gnome. Date 2015-04-27 15:31 UTC. Is this worthwhile to file a bug?
>  Kind Regards 
I'd suggest doing a tiny bit of homework first to verify the "I think..."
part of your post:

gnome-software lists specific updates, such as firefox-37.0.2-3.fc22 and
gwenview-15.04.0-1.fc22

Which firefox and gwenview packages are installed? Query "rpm", not yumex.
rpm -q firefox gwenview

That would answer the first question, whether the system is really
up-to-date.

Next question: What happens when you ask it to reboot and update?

Last: Try clicking the arrow button at the top left corner to refresh/reload
to force gnome-software to work on the latest repo metadata. All those
package tools use their own caches, even their own history (and yumdb) and
things like that. For users it's typically a good idea to focus on a single
tool for the job, but some of the tools cannot do everything (e.g. they
hide some packages), so most users still use Yum, DNF, even plain "rpm" for
some tasks.

[Joerg Lechner]

Hi,
this error disappeared after the update of today (2015-04-29). Before this update, when I
said to Gnome SW please update, the update procedure was started as usual, and the system
rebooted - I know there is a cross in the left upper corner....., but the updates where
not done, because as I see in the logs the modules -at least firefox and Gwenview- had not
to be updated. What's about Kernel, I don't know, because my Linux knowledge is
too low.

If it's useful for analysis I add the log (/var/log) of the last updates:

Apr 25 17:37:36 Installed: python3-decorator-3.4.0-5.fc21.noarch
Apr 25 17:37:37 Installed: libselinux-python3-2.3-9.fc22.x86_64
Apr 25 17:37:37 Installed: python3-slip-0.6.1-1.fc22.noarch
Apr 25 17:37:37 Installed: python3-slip-dbus-0.6.1-1.fc22.noarch
Apr 25 17:37:37 Installed: python3-firewall-0.3.13-5.fc22.noarch
Apr 25 17:37:38 Installed: system-config-printer-1.5.6-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 25 17:37:38 Installed: system-config-printer-applet-1.5.6-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 25 19:40:41 Installed: libftdi-1.2-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 25 19:40:42 Installed: lirc-core-0.9.2a-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 25 19:40:42 Installed: lirc-libs-0.9.2a-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 25 19:40:42 Installed: exiv2-0.24-4.fc22.x86_64
Apr 25 19:40:43 Installed: geeqie-1.2-0.1.20141130gita1afabd.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:14:49 Updated: libgcc-5.1.1-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:14:50 Updated: libstdc++-5.1.1-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:14:50 Updated: libblockdev-utils-0.11-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:14:51 Updated: 2:samba-client-libs-4.2.1-4.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:14:51 Updated: 2:libwbclient-4.2.1-4.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:14:52 Updated: 2:samba-common-4.2.1-4.fc22.noarch
Apr 27 08:14:52 Updated: 2:libsmbclient-4.2.1-4.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:14:52 Updated: libblockdev-0.11-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:14:52 Updated: kdepimlibs-gpgme-4.14.7-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:14:53 Updated: 2:samba-common-libs-4.2.1-4.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:14:53 Updated: libblockdev-mpath-0.11-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:14:54 Updated: libblockdev-swap-0.11-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:14:55 Updated: libblockdev-lvm-0.11-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:14:55 Updated: libblockdev-dm-0.11-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:14:55 Updated: libblockdev-mdraid-0.11-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:14:55 Updated: libblockdev-loop-0.11-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:14:55 Updated: libblockdev-btrfs-0.11-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:14:55 Installed: kf5-kitemmodels-5.9.0-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:14:56 Installed: kf5-kactivities-libs-5.9.0-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:14:57 Updated: gwenview-15.04.0-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:14:57 Updated: gwenview-libs-15.04.0-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:22 Updated: pcre-8.36-6.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:22 Updated: paps-libs-0.6.8-34.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:29 Updated: oxygen-icon-theme-15.04.0-1.fc22.noarch
Apr 27 08:15:29 Updated: 6:kdelibs-common-4.14.7-4.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:30 Installed: kate4-part-4.14.3-12.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:30 Installed: 6:kdelibs-ktexteditor-4.14.7-4.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:34 Updated: 6:kdelibs-4.14.7-4.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:34 Updated: 6:kdelibs-webkit-4.14.7-4.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:34 Updated: kdepimlibs-kxmlrpcclient-4.14.7-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:35 Updated: kdepimlibs-4.14.7-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:35 Updated: kde-runtime-flags-15.04.0-1.fc22.noarch
Apr 27 08:15:36 Updated: kde-runtime-drkonqi-15.04.0-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:38 Updated: kde-runtime-15.04.0-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:38 Updated: kde-runtime-libs-15.04.0-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:39 Updated: libevdev-1.4.2-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:39 Updated: libquadmath-5.1.1-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:39 Updated: libblockdev-crypto-0.11-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:39 Updated: libblockdev-plugins-all-0.11-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:40 Updated: 1:python-blivet-1.0.8-1.fc22.noarch
Apr 27 08:15:41 Updated: anaconda-tui-22.20.10-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:42 Updated: anaconda-core-22.20.10-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:42 Updated: anaconda-widgets-22.20.10-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:42 Updated: anaconda-gui-22.20.10-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:43 Updated: kde-baseapps-common-15.04.0-1.fc22.noarch
Apr 27 08:15:43 Updated: libgcc-5.1.1-1.fc22.i686
Apr 27 08:15:44 Updated: libkonq-15.04.0-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:44 Updated: anaconda-22.20.10-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:44 Updated: libgfortran-5.1.1-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:44 Updated: libinput-0.14.1-2.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:45 Updated: kdepimlibs-akonadi-4.14.7-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:45 Updated: libkdcraw-15.04.0-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:46 Updated: libkipi-15.04.0-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:46 Updated: paps-0.6.8-34.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:47 Updated: 2:samba-client-4.2.1-4.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:54 Updated: firefox-37.0.2-3.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:54 Updated: 1:wpa_supplicant-2.3-3.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:55 Updated: libtirpc-0.2.5-3.0.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:55 Updated: libgomp-5.1.1-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:55 Updated: libtool-ltdl-2.4.2-34.fc22.x86_64
Apr 27 08:15:56 Updated: libstdc++-5.1.1-1.fc22.i686
Apr 27 08:16:21 Updated: pcre-8.36-6.fc22.i686
Apr 29 12:08:56 Updated: 1:libreoffice-ure-4.4.2.2-4.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:08:56 Updated: libblockdev-utils-0.12-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:08:56 Updated: 2:libwbclient-4.2.1-6.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:08:57 Updated: 2:samba-client-libs-4.2.1-6.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:08:58 Updated: ibus-libs-1.5.10-3.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:08:58 Updated: 2:samba-common-4.2.1-6.fc22.noarch
Apr 29 12:08:59 Updated: kf5-kfilemetadata-5.9.0-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:08:59 Updated: kf5-baloo-libs-5.9.0-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:08:59 Updated: 2:samba-common-libs-4.2.1-6.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:00 Updated: 2:libsmbclient-4.2.1-6.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:00 Updated: ibus-setup-1.5.10-3.fc22.noarch
Apr 29 12:09:00 Updated: ibus-wayland-1.5.10-3.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:00 Updated: ibus-gtk3-1.5.10-3.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:02 Updated: ibus-1.5.10-3.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:02 Updated: ibus-gtk2-1.5.10-3.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:02 Updated: libblockdev-mdraid-0.12-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:02 Updated: libblockdev-loop-0.12-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:02 Updated: libblockdev-btrfs-0.12-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:02 Updated: libblockdev-lvm-0.12-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:03 Updated: libblockdev-mpath-0.12-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:03 Updated: libblockdev-swap-0.12-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:03 Updated: libblockdev-0.12-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:03 Updated: libblockdev-dm-0.12-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:03 Updated: 1:libreoffice-opensymbol-fonts-4.4.2.2-4.fc22.noarch
Apr 29 12:09:04 Updated: chrony-2.0-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:05 Updated: anaconda-core-22.20.11-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:06 Updated: anaconda-tui-22.20.11-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:06 Updated: anaconda-widgets-22.20.11-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:07 Updated: anaconda-gui-22.20.11-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:07 Updated: libblockdev-crypto-0.12-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:08 Updated: colord-libs-1.2.10-2.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:08 Updated: 1:autocorr-en-4.4.2.2-4.fc22.noarch
Apr 29 12:09:22 Updated: 1:libreoffice-core-4.4.2.2-4.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:22 Updated: 1:libreoffice-pyuno-4.4.2.2-4.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:23 Updated: 1:libreoffice-calc-4.4.2.2-4.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:24 Updated: 1:libreoffice-writer-4.4.2.2-4.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:25 Updated: 1:libreoffice-graphicfilter-4.4.2.2-4.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:25 Updated: 1:libreoffice-draw-4.4.2.2-4.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:25 Updated: 1:libreoffice-pdfimport-4.4.2.2-4.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:26 Updated: 1:libreoffice-impress-4.4.2.2-4.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:27 Updated: 1:libreoffice-math-4.4.2.2-4.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:27 Updated: 1:libreoffice-xsltfilter-4.4.2.2-4.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:27 Updated: 1:libreoffice-filters-4.4.2.2-4.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:27 Updated: 1:libreoffice-emailmerge-4.4.2.2-4.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:29 Updated: colord-1.2.10-2.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:29 Updated: libblockdev-plugins-all-0.12-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:29 Updated: anaconda-22.20.11-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:30 Updated: 2:samba-client-4.2.1-6.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:30 Updated: kf5-baloo-5.9.0-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:31 Updated: mailcap-2.1.44-1.fc22.noarch
Apr 29 12:09:32 Updated: breeze-icon-theme-5.3.0-1.fc22.noarch
Apr 29 12:09:33 Updated: stunnel-5.15-1.fc22.x86_64
Apr 29 12:09:34 Updated: gnome-weather-3.16.2-1.fc22.noarch

Kind Regards

-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- 
Von: Michael Schwendt <mschwendt(a)gmail.com&gt;
An: test <test(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
Verschickt: Mi, 29 Apr 2015 2:53 pm
Betreff: Re: Currently the Gnome SW update mechanism seems to run faulty


On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 11:33:47 -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote:

>  Hi,
>  when I run 
install updates via Yumex, there are no updates to install. When I try
to do the
same with Gnome SW there are 3 updates requested (see screenshot,......... this
is my current way to explain, what I mean, because of lack of the correct
English SW terms), but they will not be installed, when requested.
>  I think the 
updates requested are already installed, but still
requested. Or the
"Betriebsystemaktualisierungen" are announced somewhere, but not in the
library,
where the updates will be taken to install, anyway there seem to be an error
somewhere in Gnome. Date 2015-04-27 15:31 UTC. Is this worthwhile to file a
bug?
>  Kind Regards 
I'd suggest doing a tiny bit of homework first to verify
the "I think..."
part of your post:

gnome-software lists specific updates, such
as firefox-37.0.2-3.fc22 and
gwenview-15.04.0-1.fc22

Which firefox and gwenview
packages are installed? Query "rpm", not yumex.
rpm -q firefox gwenview

That
would answer the first question, whether the system is really
up-to-date.

Next
question: What happens when you ask it to reboot and update?

Last: Try clicking
the arrow button at the top left corner to refresh/reload
to force
gnome-software to work on the latest repo metadata. All those
package tools use
their own caches, even their own history (and yumdb) and
things like that. For
users it's typically a good idea to focus on a single
tool for the job, but some
of the tools cannot do everything (e.g. they
hide some packages), so most users
still use Yum, DNF, even plain "rpm" for
some tasks.
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[Michael Schwendt]

On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 12:11:39 -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote:

>  Hi,
>  this error disappeared after the update of today (2015-04-29). Before this update, when I
> said to Gnome SW please update, the update procedure was started as usual, and the system
> rebooted - I know there is a cross in the left upper corner....., but the updates where
> not done, because as I see in the logs the modules -at least firefox and Gwenview- had not
> to be updated. What's about Kernel, I don't know, because my Linux knowledge is
> too low.
>  
>  If it's useful for analysis I add the log (/var/log) of the last updates:
>  
>  Apr 25 17:37:36 Installed: python3-decorator-3.4.0-5.fc21.noarch
>  Apr 25 17:37:37 Installed: libselinux-python3-2.3-9.fc22.x86_64 
Which log file is that? /var/log/yum.log is specific to Yum (and Yumex)
and is _not_ used by programs based on PackageKit.

If you use Yumex *and* gnome-software, this can result in temporary
confusion. They don't use shared data. They don't sync with eachother.
If you update with Yum frequently, you don't give gnome-software a
chance to catch up. In that case you need to click the top-left button
so it refreshes the repo metadata it has cached.

You can ask the PackageKit console client about what updates are
available:

  pkcon get-updates

You can also ask it about the status of the last offline update:

  pkcon offline-status

"man pkcon" for the manual page.

The current situation is not pretty, but IMO some of the problems are
caused by users having false expectations with regard to how these
various package tools work.

[Joerg Lechner]

Hi
thank You for the info, I am still learning linux.
The log is /var/log/yum.log

 [root@linux-2 log]#  pkcon get-updates
Aktualisierungen werden abgerufen[=========================]         
Zwischenspeicher wird geladen [=========================]         
Fertig                        [=========================]         
Derzeit sind keine Aktualisierungen verfügbar.
[root@linux-2 log]#  pkcon offline-status
Status:	Failed
ErrorCode:failed-initialization
ErrorDetails:cannot download Packages/f/firefox-37.0.2-3.fc22.x86_64.rpm to
/var/cache/PackageKit/metadata/fedora/packages/: Curl error (6): Couldn't resolve host
name for https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=fedora-22&arch=x86_64 [Could
not resolve host: mirrors.fedoraproject.org]
[root@linux-2 log]# 

Kind Regards




-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- 
Von: Michael Schwendt <mschwendt(a)gmail.com&gt;
An: test <test(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
Verschickt: Mi, 29 Apr 2015 7:27 pm
Betreff: Re: Currently the Gnome SW update mechanism seems to run faulty


On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 12:11:39 -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote:

>  Hi,
>  this error 
disappeared after the update of today (2015-04-29). Before this update,
when I
said to Gnome SW please update, the update procedure was started as usual, and
the system rebooted - I know there is a cross in the left upper corner....., but
the updates where not done, because as I see in the logs the modules -at least
firefox and Gwenview- had not to be updated. What's about Kernel, I don't know,
because my Linux knowledge is too low.
>  
>  If it's useful for analysis I add 
the log (/var/log) of the last updates:
>  
>  Apr 25 17:37:36 Installed: 
python3-decorator-3.4.0-5.fc21.noarch
>  Apr 25 17:37:37 Installed:
libselinux-python3-2.3-9.fc22.x86_64

Which log file is that? /var/log/yum.log
is specific to Yum (and Yumex)
and is _not_ used by programs based on
PackageKit.

If you use Yumex *and* gnome-software, this can result in
temporary
confusion. They don't use shared data. They don't sync with
eachother.
If you update with Yum frequently, you don't give gnome-software
a
chance to catch up. In that case you need to click the top-left button
so it
refreshes the repo metadata it has cached.

You can ask the PackageKit console
client about what updates are
available:

  pkcon get-updates

You can also ask
it about the status of the last offline update:

  pkcon offline-status

"man
pkcon" for the manual page.

The current situation is not pretty, but IMO some
of the problems are
caused by users having false expectations with regard to how
these
various package tools work.

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