First impressions and bugs

[Michel Alexandre Salim]

Hello,

A bit late joining in - dowloading 3 ISOs over a 20 KB/s cable modem
connection can be irritating at times! I'm happy to say Severn is the
first Red Hat version to support my notebook out-of-the-box - this time,
please don't take ACPI out for the final release :)

Graphical boot is nice, if a bit slow the first time - probably running
modprobe in the background? In any case it's only enabled in runlevel 5,
and I could always turn it off. A bit non-informative - would be nice to
have a minimised window tailing the console output for those curious.

And now for the more severe bugs. neat hard-froze the system when run
the first time if I did not run internet-druid first, which is bizarre.
I could replicate it three times but after running internet-druid, neat
now works fine on its own. Forgot to save kernel logs, sorry.

Mounting CD-ROMs from command line works, redhat-config-packages seems
to be having some real problems with it; when it tried accessing the
drive the CD icon popped up in Nautilus with the correct volume label,
but nothing shows up in /mnt/cdrom - and I keep getting prompted to
insert the right disc.

And trying to select Samba does not even work. I clicked in vain on the
'Install' button and nothing happened - Dependency checking should kick
in at this point, as it did when I tried installing Epiphany and kernel
sources (both failed, of course, since RCP could not get to the Red Hat
CD)

A bit rushed right now so I'll have to end it here. System is up-to-date
(no updated packages as yet) - please let me know if anyone intends to
submit / has submitted any of the above bugs to Bugzilla, otherwise I'll
make a report later today.

Oh, PS, fonts work marvelous! I don't know what you guys did but it
certainly looks much better than my RH9 desktop, even after installing
bitstream fonts by hand.

Now, when we get built-in ACL support in Nautilus...

Another thing - please update Gaim to 0.65, 0.64 has annoying little
bugs (like not being able to display my MSN nick with UTF characters
properly)

(and install Bogofilter... hmm, lots of RFEs to file tonight)

Thanks RedHat,

Michel

Package requests (Re: First impressions and bugs)

[Bill Nottingham]

Michel Alexandre Salim (mas118(a)york.ac.uk) said: 
>  Ah yes, just found it myself as well. There is a problem with it
> though
>  - it displays resolutions higher than the resolution set in XF86Config
>  (changable through System Settings->Display)
>  
>  Found out about it the hard way - my 1400x1050 laptop LCD was configured
>  at 1024x768 even though the graphics card has 16MB of VRAM. Is there any
>  reason why this conservative setting is chosen by default? 
I believe 1024x768 is the default in absence of a monitor probe
that suggests it allows higher.

Bill

[Jeremy Katz]

On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 22:21, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote:
>  On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 03:57, Florin Andrei wrote:
>  > On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 19:35, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote:
>  > 
>  > > Another thing - please update Gaim to 0.65, 0.64 has annoying little
>  > > bugs (like not being able to display my MSN nick with UTF characters
>  > > properly)
>  > 
>  > You mean "update to 0.66 because that's where all MSN bugs are fixed
>  > (hopefully)". ;-)
>  Err, yes. Or whatever the most bug-free version is come freeze-date :) 
0.66 is building now, should be in rawhide tomorrow.

Jeremy

Package requests (Re: First impressions and bugs)

[Michel Alexandre Salim]

On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 19:04, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote:
>  On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 10:04, Jonathan Blandford wrote:
>  > Michel Alexandre Salim <mas118(a)york.ac.uk&gt; writes:
>  > 
>  > > My list:
>  > > Bogofilter - http://bogofilter.sourceforge.net
>  > > grandr_applet - resize X on-the-fly -
>  > > http://www.fedora.us/tempspecs/testing/grandr_applet.spec
>  > 
>  > There is a Display Size dialog under preferences now that does R and R
>  > resizing.  It is better integrated with the way we handle this in GNOME,
>  > now.
>  > 
>  Ah yes, just found it myself as well. There is a problem with it though
>  - it displays resolutions higher than the resolution set in XF86Config
>  (changable through System Settings->Display)
>   
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=100593

Red Hat Linux Beta beta1 control-center NEW gnome-display-properties
lists unavailable resolutions

Regards,

Michel

Package requests (Re: First impressions and bugs)

[Bill Nottingham]

Michel Alexandre Salim (mas118(a)york.ac.uk) said: 
>  > > Found out about it the hard way - my 1400x1050 laptop LCD
> was configured
>  > > at 1024x768 even though the graphics card has 16MB of VRAM. Is there any
>  > > reason why this conservative setting is chosen by default?
>  > 
>  > I believe 1024x768 is the default in absence of a monitor probe
>  > that suggests it allows higher.
>  > 
>  Even when Generic 1400x1050 is manually selected? My monitor does
>  provide DCC information but I feel safer manually overriding. 
Hm, no, if you select the monitor, it should allow you to default
to that mode. File a bug. :)

Bill

Package requests (Re: First impressions and bugs)

[Michel Alexandre Salim]

On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 22:41, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>  Michel Alexandre Salim (mas118(a)york.ac.uk) said: 
>  > Ah yes, just found it myself as well. There is a problem with it though
>  > - it displays resolutions higher than the resolution set in XF86Config
>  > (changable through System Settings->Display)
>  > 
>  > Found out about it the hard way - my 1400x1050 laptop LCD was configured
>  > at 1024x768 even though the graphics card has 16MB of VRAM. Is there any
>  > reason why this conservative setting is chosen by default?
>  
>  I believe 1024x768 is the default in absence of a monitor probe
>  that suggests it allows higher.
>   
Even when Generic 1400x1050 is manually selected? My monitor does
provide DCC information but I feel safer manually overriding.

Regards,

Michel

Package requests (Re: First impressions and bugs)

[Michel Alexandre Salim]

On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 10:04, Jonathan Blandford wrote:
>  Michel Alexandre Salim <mas118(a)york.ac.uk&gt; writes:
>  
>  > My list:
>  > Bogofilter - http://bogofilter.sourceforge.net
>  > grandr_applet - resize X on-the-fly -
>  > http://www.fedora.us/tempspecs/testing/grandr_applet.spec
>  
>  There is a Display Size dialog under preferences now that does R and R
>  resizing.  It is better integrated with the way we handle this in GNOME,
>  now.
>   
Ah yes, just found it myself as well. There is a problem with it though
- it displays resolutions higher than the resolution set in XF86Config
(changable through System Settings->Display)

Found out about it the hard way - my 1400x1050 laptop LCD was configured
at 1024x768 even though the graphics card has 16MB of VRAM. Is there any
reason why this conservative setting is chosen by default?

Thanks,

Michel

Package requests (Re: First impressions and bugs)

[Bill Nottingham]

Michel Alexandre Salim (mas118(a)york.ac.uk) said: 
>  I found the following Bugzilla entry:
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=99541
>  
>  Is a new bug report necessary? 
No, that looks OK.

Bill

Package requests (Re: First impressions and bugs)

[Michel Alexandre Salim]

On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 23:22, Bill Nottingham wrote:

>  > > I believe 1024x768 is the default in absence of a monitor
> probe
>  > > that suggests it allows higher.
>  > > 
>  > Even when Generic 1400x1050 is manually selected? My monitor does
>  > provide DCC information but I feel safer manually overriding.
>  
>  Hm, no, if you select the monitor, it should allow you to default
>  to that mode. File a bug. :)
>   
I found the following Bugzilla entry:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=99541

Is a new bug report necessary?

Thanks,

Michel

[Michel Alexandre Salim]

On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 03:57, Florin Andrei wrote:
>  On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 19:35, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote:
>  
>  > Another thing - please update Gaim to 0.65, 0.64 has annoying little
>  > bugs (like not being able to display my MSN nick with UTF characters
>  > properly)
>  
>  You mean "update to 0.66 because that's where all MSN bugs are fixed
>  (hopefully)". ;-) 
Err, yes. Or whatever the most bug-free version is come
freeze-date :)

Regards,

Michel

[Florin Andrei]

On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 19:35, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote:

>  Another thing - please update Gaim to 0.65, 0.64 has annoying little
>  bugs (like not being able to display my MSN nick with UTF characters
>  properly) 
You mean "update to 0.66 because that's where all MSN bugs are fixed
(hopefully)". ;-)

-- 
Florin Andrei

"Never send a human to do a machine's job." - Agent Smith

Package requests (Re: First impressions and bugs)

[Jonathan Blandford]

Michel Alexandre Salim <mas118(a)york.ac.uk&gt; writes:

>  My list:
>  Bogofilter - http://bogofilter.sourceforge.net
>  grandr_applet - resize X on-the-fly -
>  http://www.fedora.us/tempspecs/testing/grandr_applet.spec 
There is a Display Size dialog under preferences now that does R and R
resizing.  It is better integrated with the way we handle this in GNOME,
now.

Thanks,
-Jonathan

Package requests (Re: First impressions and bugs)

[Michel Alexandre Salim]

On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 09:35, Michel Alexandre Salim wrote:
>  Another thing - please update Gaim to 0.65, 0.64 has annoying little
>  bugs (like not being able to display my MSN nick with UTF characters
>  properly)
>  
>  (and install Bogofilter... hmm, lots of RFEs to file tonight)
>   
While I'm at it, what about a brainstorming - think of packages you
would like to see added, before the feature freeze sinks in.

My list:
Bogofilter - http://bogofilter.sourceforge.net
grandr_applet - resize X on-the-fly -
http://www.fedora.us/tempspecs/testing/grandr_applet.spec

and a cornucopia of Gstreamer apps - Soundjuicer and Totem topping the
list.

And yes, I'll RFE all these tonight. Got to run.

Regards,

Michel