These two packages are currently not available from updates for F11 or F12 (.i386 and .x86_64) and have not been for at least the last four days. All KDE updates as a result hang yum. (Cannot be downloaded either through yum nor directly from mirrors. The direct downloads ftp & http start and then hang.) Yum hangs as it attempts to download a zero length file and the download time runs to infinity. This was also the case for F10 last week but the problem was fixed shortly after an e-mail to the list. Can someone please explain why these two packages are such a big problem - the same problem has occurred repeatedly for each version update over at least the last year if not longer. Is it encryption or the build process? Could an error mode be introduced to yum such that if download time exceeds, say, 1.0 x 10^20 sec. or some such unreasonable length of time the update dies? I ask because currently when yum hangs trying to download these files it becomes impossible to kill the process (as root) short of shutting down the machine.