DNF5 is in a bad state.

[Onyeibo]

Good Morning

I ran an update on a second rawhide machine of mine (DNF5 broke the
other one and I have not reinstalled Fedora there). After this last
update, I get the following behaviour when I attempt another update:

# dnf update
bash: /usr/bin/dnf: No such file or directory

What I find most aggravating about DNF5 is the silence when it
encounters an issue.  It moves with other things, giving the
impression that all is fine.  It does not print any hint when it
encounters an issue until it finishes. When it is done, the user
discovers a huge mess.

This trend is frustrating for those wishing to file a report. What do
we say is wrong?

Finally ... which Rawhide image is reliable these days? I might need to
grab an image before I poweroff this laptop. I have little faith that
this update will allow my machine to boot. Afterall, there is no
telling at what stage DNF5 lost its way.

[Luna Jernberg]

Hey!

Yeah and Fedora 39 Branched/Alpha has reverted to dnf4 as dnf5 is
delayed until later Fedora 41 as it seems now:
https://www.phoronix.com/news/No-DNF5-Fedora-39 so not released until
end of 2024 as that status looks now

Den ons 9 aug. 2023 kl 09:55 skrev Onyeibo <onyeibo(a)schemefusion.com&gt;:
>
> Good Morning
>
> I ran an update on a second rawhide machine of mine (DNF5 broke the
> other one and I have not reinstalled Fedora there). After this last
> update, I get the following behaviour when I attempt another update:
>
> # dnf update
> bash: /usr/bin/dnf: No such file or directory
>
> What I find most aggravating about DNF5 is the silence when it
> encounters an issue.  It moves with other things, giving the
> impression that all is fine.  It does not print any hint when it
> encounters an issue until it finishes. When it is done, the user
> discovers a huge mess.
>
> This trend is frustrating for those wishing to file a report. What do
> we say is wrong?
>
> Finally ... which Rawhide image is reliable these days? I might need to
> grab an image before I poweroff this laptop. I have little faith that
> this update will allow my machine to boot. Afterall, there is no
> telling at what stage DNF5 lost its way.
>
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[Samuel Sieb]

On 8/9/23 00:57, Onyeibo wrote:
>  I ran an update on a second rawhide machine of mine (DNF5 broke the
>  other one and I have not reinstalled Fedora there). After this last
>  update, I get the following behaviour when I attempt another update:
>  
>  # dnf update
>  bash: /usr/bin/dnf: No such file or directory 
Try using "dnf5" instead.  The update was supposed to give the "dnf" 
name back to dnf4.

[Adam Williamson]

On Wed, 2023-08-09 at 01:46 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>  On 8/9/23 00:57, Onyeibo wrote:
>  > I ran an update on a second rawhide machine of mine (DNF5 broke the
>  > other one and I have not reinstalled Fedora there). After this last
>  > update, I get the following behaviour when I attempt another update:
>  > 
>  > # dnf update
>  > bash: /usr/bin/dnf: No such file or directory
>  
>  Try using "dnf5" instead.  The update was supposed to give the "dnf"
>
>  name back to dnf4. 
Yes. This is intentional and expected. It's not the best experience for
Rawhide users, but that *is* part of the deal with running Rawhide -
you're kinda expected to follow the news and be able to deal with this
kind of thing.

We reverted the dnf5-by-default Change for F39, so dnf5 no longer
provides /usr/bin/dnf and no longer obsoletes dnf. For fresh installs
or upgrades from F38 to F39 everything will be smooth. For people who
ran Rawhide during the aborted transition, you need to do:

dnf5 --best install 'dnf < 5'

to get dnf4 back (just `dnf5 install dnf` may work after the next
successful Rawhide compose).

This was explained in a mail to devel@:

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail].o...
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