F34, pipewire and orca (screen reader)

[Adam Williamson]

Hi folks! Sending to test@ and desktop@, and CCing two folks who
reported problems.

So I finally got some time today to look into the reports of screen
reader functionality not working well in F34, with GNOME 40 and
Pipewire. I wrote the latest F34 nightly live to a USB stick, booted it
on my test laptop, and turned on the screen reader. It initially seems
to work - it reads out some of the contents of the welcome window, and
it reads out things in the GNOME environment when I click on them.

However, after I launch the installer it does not seem to read anything
in the installer. Is that normal/expected?

I do see that a bug was opened:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1940311
and closed as 'fixed' by pipewire 0.3.24:
https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2021-2c994d0609
but I'm not sure if that's the whole story.

I haven't tested how it behaves after install yet, I'll try and do that
tomorrow.

[Adam Williamson]

On Thu, 2021-04-15 at 09:38 +0200, dileepa.tissera dileepa.tissera
wrote:
> Hello Adam,
>  
> The bug that was opened and closed was about Orca actually not
> talking at all once Fedora rawhide or 34 was installed.
> Yes, until a fix is put on Anaconda, the installer won’t talk, unless
> the gnome environment is switched to Gnome on xorg, then, it’ll talk
> as expected.
> A workaround is to install the Mate respin, on which the installer
> works beautifully.
> Best regards.
> Francisco

Thanks. Is the "not talking in the installer" thing new with Pipewire,
or was it the same with Pulseaudio?

Aside from that issue, is it generally working as expected in current
F34 with pipewire 0.3.24?

Thanks again!

[Matthias Clasen]

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 9:28 PM Adam Williamson 
wrote:
> Hi folks! Sending to test@ and desktop@, and CCing two folks who
> reported problems.
>
> So I finally got some time today to look into the reports of screen
> reader functionality not working well in F34, with GNOME 40 and
> Pipewire. I wrote the latest F34 nightly live to a USB stick, booted it
> on my test laptop, and turned on the screen reader. It initially seems
> to work - it reads out some of the contents of the welcome window, and
> it reads out things in the GNOME environment when I click on them.
>
> However, after I launch the installer it does not seem to read anything
> in the installer. Is that normal/expected?
>
> I do see that a bug was opened:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1940311
> and closed as 'fixed' by pipewire 0.3.24:
> https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2021-2c994d0609
> but I'm not sure if that's the whole story.
>
> I haven't tested how it behaves after install yet, I'll try and do that
> tomorrow.

When I turn on orca in my Wayland session here, it speaks (of course,
there's issues
with the a11y stack in general, but it seems to work as well as it has in
F33). So the problem
you are seeing appears to be specific to the live session.