Rawhide, kernels and NVIDIA

[Russel Winder]

Since kernel 4.1.0, I have not been able to get an NVIDIA
driver/support to compile and work on Rawhide. Either the download
would not compile at all, or now it compiles but fails to work
correctly. As far as I can tell (I may well be wrong) the beta 358.09
is the only driver/support that compiles against kernels 4.2.0 and
later.

This is now becoming a bit annoying as everything works fine on Debian.

If anyone has any data/information to help me, it would be much
appreciated. 

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[Richard Shaw]

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:57 AM, Russel Winder <russel(a)winder.org.uk&gt; wrote:

>  Since kernel 4.1.0, I have not been able to get an NVIDIA
>  driver/support to compile and work on Rawhide. Either the download
>  would not compile at all, or now it compiles but fails to work
>  correctly. As far as I can tell (I may well be wrong) the beta 358.09
>  is the only driver/support that compiles against kernels 4.2.0 and
>  later. 

I don't know how much this helps but I'm running 355.11 on Fedora 22 with a
4.2.5 kernel without issue on m GTS450...

Thanks,
Richard

[Russel Winder]

On Thu, 2015-11-19 at 08:02 -0600, Richard Shaw wrote:
>  On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 2:57 AM, Russel Winder
> <russel(a)winder.org.uk&gt;
>  wrote:
>  
>  > Since kernel 4.1.0, I have not been able to get an NVIDIA
>  > driver/support to compile and work on Rawhide. Either the download
>  > would not compile at all, or now it compiles but fails to work
>  > correctly. As far as I can tell (I may well be wrong) the beta
>  > 358.09
>  > is the only driver/support that compiles against kernels 4.2.0 and
>  > later.
>  
>  
>  I don't know how much this helps but I'm running 355.11 on Fedora 22
>  with a
>  4.2.5 kernel without issue on m GTS450... 
Prompted by your report of success, I did a more full test, forcing an
install of kernel 4.2.6-300 (albeit f23 not f24) obtained from Koji to
add to the 4.3 and 4.4 kernels I have:

	NVIDIA 355.11 will not compile for kernels 4.3+, fine on 4.2.6-
300.f23
	NVIDIA 358.09 compiles on all kernels.

In all cases, Xorg does not start properly and I end up with the
flashing text screen. This would seem to imply the problem is not
actually with the NVIDIA kernel per se, but is with either f24 versions
of GDM or Xorg. 

Checking Xorg logs, it seems that Debian Xorg is 1.17 and Fedora Xorg
is 1.18. The Fedora error message says something about ABI 20.0. So
this is the crux of the problem I am seeing, Xorg, kernels and NVIDIA
driver are somehow mutually inconsistent currently in the Rawhide
repository. I guess this is somehow an NVIDIA issue?

I am not using the Fedora packaged NVIDIA driver so I have no idea if
that works. Nor am I using the Nouveau driver as it stops various
features of the GNOME UI that I rely on for sanity.

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[Peter Robinson]

> > > Since kernel 4.1.0, I have not been able to get an NVIDIA
> > > driver/support to compile and work on Rawhide. Either the download
> > > would not compile at all, or now it compiles but fails to work
> > > correctly. As far as I can tell (I may well be wrong) the beta
> > > 358.09
> > > is the only driver/support that compiles against kernels 4.2.0 and
> > > later.
> >
> >
> > I don't know how much this helps but I'm running 355.11 on Fedora 22
> > with a
> > 4.2.5 kernel without issue on m GTS450...
>
>  Prompted by your report of success, I did a more full test, forcing an
>  install of kernel 4.2.6-300 (albeit f23 not f24) obtained from Koji to
>  add to the 4.3 and 4.4 kernels I have:
>
>          NVIDIA 355.11 will not compile for kernels 4.3+, fine on 4.2.6-
>  300.f23
>          NVIDIA 358.09 compiles on all kernels.
>
>  In all cases, Xorg does not start properly and I end up with the
>  flashing text screen. This would seem to imply the problem is not
>  actually with the NVIDIA kernel per se, but is with either f24 versions
>  of GDM or Xorg.
>
>  Checking Xorg logs, it seems that Debian Xorg is 1.17 and Fedora Xorg
>  is 1.18. The Fedora error message says something about ABI 20.0. So
>  this is the crux of the problem I am seeing, Xorg, kernels and NVIDIA
>  driver are somehow mutually inconsistent currently in the Rawhide
>  repository. I guess this is somehow an NVIDIA issue? 
As a general rule of thumb anything proprietary binary only will be
painful in rawhide. Anything can change through out the dev cycle and
you have to wait for the vendor to catch up. Recently Xorg was bumped
to the latest release requiring a rebuild for the new ABI. You can
either use nouveau and have the latest and greatest or retrieve the
last Xorg server build from koji that supported the ABI required by
the proprietary driver and downgrade to that that exclude the affected
packages from being upgraded.

>  I am not using the Fedora packaged NVIDIA driver so I have no idea
> if
>  that works. Nor am I using the Nouveau driver as it stops various
>  features of the GNOME UI that I rely on for sanity. 
Fedora doesn't package the NVIDIA driver, I presume you're referring
to the rpmfusion.org one.

[Russel Winder]

On Fri, 2015-11-20 at 12:56 +0000, Peter Robinson wrote:
>  > > > […]
>  
>  As a general rule of thumb anything proprietary binary only will be
>  painful in rawhide. Anything can change through out the dev cycle and
>  you have to wait for the vendor to catch up. Recently Xorg was bumped
>  to the latest release requiring a rebuild for the new ABI. You can
>  either use nouveau and have the latest and greatest or retrieve the
>  last Xorg server build from koji that supported the ABI required by
>  the proprietary driver and downgrade to that that exclude the
>  affected
>  packages from being upgraded. 
Indeed, I expect nothing but pain with Rawhide :-)

As it happens, yesterday NVIDIA released 358.16 which explicitly fixes
the Xorg ABI 20 issue. Moreover, it compiles and appears to work fine
(*) on kernel 4.3. However on kernel 4.4-RC there appear to be
problems: I tend to find this has always been the case – no matter
using the special no debug kernels, only the formal release kernels
have ever really worked. So nothing new there.

(*) For some definition of the word fine. Sadly I am getting kernel
problems with the Fedora 4.3 kernel + 358.16 which are not happening
with the Debian 4.2 kernel with 358.16. I will assume NVIDIA haven't
quite got the Xorg ABI 20 stuff sorted properly as yet.

Sadly nouveau really doesn't do a good enough job for the GNOME Shell,
etc. behaviour that I want to work with. But that is my problem.

>  > I am not using the Fedora packaged NVIDIA driver so I have no
> idea
>  > if
>  > that works. Nor am I using the Nouveau driver as it stops various
>  > features of the GNOME UI that I rely on for sanity.
>  
>  Fedora doesn't package the NVIDIA driver, I presume you're referring
>  to the rpmfusion.org one. 
Yes indeed. And it isn't really up to scratch. And with the Debian
support for the NVIDIA driver being such an outright mess, downloading
the NVIDIA release is always the best strategy.

It is worth adding that Rawhide seems to work perfectly well (bar the
occasional glitch) on my Lenovo X series laptops, so I tend to run Sid
on the workstation and Rawhide on the laptops.

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On Sat, Nov 21, 2015, 6:39 PM Russel Winder <russel(a)winder.org.uk&gt; wrote:

>  On Fri, 2015-11-20 at 12:56 +0000, Peter Robinson wrote:
>  > > > > […]
>  >
>  > As a general rule of thumb anything proprietary binary only will be
>  > painful in rawhide. Anything can change through out the dev cycle and
>  > you have to wait for the vendor to catch up. Recently Xorg was bumped
>  > to the latest release requiring a rebuild for the new ABI. You can
>  > either use nouveau and have the latest and greatest or retrieve the
>  > last Xorg server build from koji that supported the ABI required by
>  > the proprietary driver and downgrade to that that exclude the
>  > affected
>  > packages from being upgraded.
>
>  Indeed, I expect nothing but pain with Rawhide :-)
>
>  As it happens, yesterday NVIDIA released 358.16 which explicitly fixes
>  the Xorg ABI 20 issue. Moreover, it compiles and appears to work fine
>  (*) on kernel 4.3. However on kernel 4.4-RC there appear to be
>  problems: I tend to find this has always been the case – no matter
>  using the special no debug kernels, only the formal release kernels
>  have ever really worked. So nothing new there.
>
>  (*) For some definition of the word fine. Sadly I am getting kernel
>  problems with the Fedora 4.3 kernel + 358.16 which are not happening
>  with the Debian 4.2 kernel with 358.16. I will assume NVIDIA haven't
>  quite got the Xorg ABI 20 stuff sorted properly as yet.
>
>  Sadly nouveau really doesn't do a good enough job for the GNOME Shell,
>  etc. behaviour that I want to work with. But that is my problem.
>
>  > > I am not using the Fedora packaged NVIDIA driver so I have no idea
>  > > if
>  > > that works. Nor am I using the Nouveau driver as it stops various
>  > > features of the GNOME UI that I rely on for sanity.
>  >
>  > Fedora doesn't package the NVIDIA driver, I presume you're referring
>  > to the rpmfusion.org one.
>
>  Yes indeed. And it isn't really up to scratch. And with the Debian
>  support for the NVIDIA driver being such an outright mess, downloading
>  the NVIDIA release is always the best strategy.
>
>  It is worth adding that Rawhide seems to work perfectly well (bar the
>  occasional glitch) on my Lenovo X series laptops, so I tend to run Sid
>  on the workstation and Rawhide on the laptops.
>
>  --
>  Russel.
>
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