Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 19 Alpha Test Compose 2 (TC2) Available Now!

[Adam Williamson]

On Thu, 2013-03-28 at 14:24 +0000, Pádraig Brady wrote:
>  On 03/26/2013 04:17 AM, Andre Robatino wrote:
>  > *IMPORTANT*: All DVDs and Lives are oversized, so will not fit on the
>  > standard media.
>  
>  To save others wasted time, please note that TC2 is not installable on bare metal:
>  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=928228
>  
>  Also when installing to a VM, 1G is not enough RAM at least,
>  and will result in tending towards infinite CPU spin in anaconda/loop2/loop3
>  when one clicks the "install to hard drive" icon. 
Note this is not enough detail. RAM use depends heavily on installed
package set and VM configuration at least. It's not possible to declare
that it Always Fails With Less Than X and Always Works With More Than X.
I generally find 2GB is a good baseline for Alpha testing, though (Alpha
always uses more RAM due to the debugging kernel).

>  As aid to people quickly scanning email, please markup URLs
>  so they're clickable, like:
>  
>  https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/
>  https://download-ib01.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/ (mirror (1 hour lag)) 
This isn't a bug, it's a feature ;) We intentionally don't provide
easily-clickable download locations in the announcement email to try and
ensure only people who are at least committed enough to click on (and
hopefully read) the testing instructions page download the images. We
don't want TC and RC images in the hands of drive-by downloaders, that
isn't what they're for; we structure the pages and announcements to try
and gently encourage this.
-- 
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora
http://www.happyassassin.net

[Test-Announce] Fedora 19 Alpha Test Compose 2 (TC2) Available Now!

[Andre Robatino]

On 03/28/2013 03:32 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>  On Thu, 2013-03-28 at 14:24 +0000, Pádraig Brady wrote: 
> > As aid to people quickly scanning email, please markup URLs
> > so they're clickable, like:
> >
> > https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/
> > https://download-ib01.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/ (mirror (1 hour lag))
>  
>  This isn't a bug, it's a feature ;) We intentionally don't provide
>  easily-clickable download locations in the announcement email to try and
>  ensure only people who are at least committed enough to click on (and
>  hopefully read) the testing instructions page download the images. We
>  don't want TC and RC images in the hands of drive-by downloaders, that
>  isn't what they're for; we structure the pages and announcements to try
>  and gently encourage this. 
The reason I wasn't including these paths was because each test page
uses slightly different download links, so I thought it would scale
better to use the redirection. But looking at the pages, everything is
under https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/ , so I was thinking
about putting something like this in the announcement:

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Please see the following pages for download links (including delta ISOs)
and testing instructions. Normally

https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/19-Alpha-TC3/

should provide the fastest download, but

https://download-ib01.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/19-Alpha-TC3/

is available as a mirror (with an approximately 1 hour lag) in case of
trouble.

Installation Test Results:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test

Base Test Results:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Base_Test

Desktop Test Results:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test

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Personally I don't think we should be going out of our way to discourage
drive-bys unless bandwidth is in short supply and they're sucking too
much of it away from the real testers. Drive-bys could become real
testers later.

[Test-Announce] Fedora 19 Alpha Test Compose 2 (TC2) Available Now!

[Adam Williamson]

On Thu, 2013-03-28 at 15:49 -0400, Andre Robatino wrote:

>  Personally I don't think we should be going out of our way to
> discourage
>  drive-bys unless bandwidth is in short supply and they're sucking too
>  much of it away from the real testers. Drive-bys could become real
>  testers later. 
Resources aren't the problem, it's that these aren't general purpose
pre-release images but people have an annoying tendency to think they
are, and download them and complain when they don't work or eat their
puppy or whatever, or write reviews about them. We really want to avoid
that. The only people who should be downloading TCs or RCs are people
who want to take part in release validation.
-- 
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora
http://www.happyassassin.net

[Test-Announce] Fedora 19 Alpha Test Compose 2 (TC2) Available Now!

[Andre Robatino]

On 03/28/2013 03:58 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>  On Thu, 2013-03-28 at 15:49 -0400, Andre Robatino wrote:
>  
> > Personally I don't think we should be going out of our way to discourage
> > drive-bys unless bandwidth is in short supply and they're sucking too
> > much of it away from the real testers. Drive-bys could become real
> > testers later.
>  
>  Resources aren't the problem, it's that these aren't general purpose
>  pre-release images but people have an annoying tendency to think they
>  are, and download them and complain when they don't work or eat their
>  puppy or whatever, or write reviews about them. We really want to avoid
>  that. The only people who should be downloading TCs or RCs are people
>  who want to take part in release validation. 
OK, I'll leave the announcement as is, then.