1:55 p.m.
I present a request to not move to release F17 until the release name
is changed in the released code.
I appreciate the comments public and private but it remains that this
name may do considerable harm.
There is not formal criterion for a blocker bug. So I appeal to this
group, as the last in the community, to present their decision that
the release is not yet ready, for humanitarian reasons.
You would block if there was a flaw in an important technical element,
but Fedora is more than technology, it is a community.
Most who communicated with me believe this is not the place to raise
this request. That iis too late in the process. The name process was
discussed by the "board" and they declined to address the concerns
raised and defer to address naming and word meaning and connotations
at a future release. If this had been flushed-out when the warning was
raised, it would not have impacted the placement of the objected-to
name in so many places and documentation and release notes. I was not
part of those initial dialogs.
Some have said to me that it cannot be stopped because "legal" or some
other group did not object so it is ok for Testing to assume ok. But
also note that few women are involved in the approval processes. The
banking crises was in part formed by many individuals sensing
something wasn't right but did not take any personal responsibility to
act.
Consider please:
if one headmaster says the release is inappropriate to use in the
teaching or desktop situation;
if one religious leader objects to its use in that the supporting
material for the name says "this is your new god"
if one advocate of equality for women speaks up
if one government department says its use violates discrimination
in the workplace laws
if one parent objects
and it is picked up by the press....
I don't know the future, but I think that releasing with this name has
the potential to be a destroyer of the momentum that the contributors
to Fedora with the support of RedHat have worked to build.
2:07 p.m.
On 27/04/12 19:55, george2 wrote:
I don't know the future, but I think that releasing with this name has
the potential to be a destroyer of the momentum that the contributors to
Fedora with the support of RedHat have worked to build.
Lets not delay the release.
--
Regards,
Frank
"Jack of all, fubars"
4:26 p.m.
On 04/27/2012 06:55 PM, george2 wrote:
I don't know the future, but I think that releasing with this
name has
the potential to be a destroyer of the momentum that the contributors
to Fedora with the support of RedHat have worked to build.
First and foremost the release name does not have any bearing on the
code we ship.
Secondly the community votes upon the release name so if you want to
affect those resault you do so by casting your vote.
Thirdly this is not the list to discuss this.
JBG
7:13 p.m.
On Fri, 2012-04-27 at 14:55 -0400, george2 wrote:
if one headmaster says the release is inappropriate to use in the
teaching or desktop situation;
if one religious leader objects to its use in that the supporting
material for the name says "this is your new god"
if one advocate of equality for women speaks up
if one government department says its use violates discrimination
in the workplace laws
if one parent objects
and it is picked up by the press....
It's a hot dog. It has always been a hot dog. The name is not an
innuendo, it is not a double entendre. If anyone thinks it is, that's
their problem, not ours. The whole beefy miracle thing is and _has
always been_ about a food product.
That aside: this list is for QA work. There's no possible basis for QA
as a group to object to this or indeed _any_ given release name. If
individual QA members believe there's something so terrible about the
release name that it's worth trying to provoke a screaming emergency,
then by all means, go ahead and do so - but I can't see any basis for
doing so as an action _of the QA group_. We're doing QA, we're not
debating implications of the release name.
--
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9:39 p.m.
On Sat, 2012-04-28 at 01:13 +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
It's a hot dog. It has always been a hot dog. The name is not an
innuendo, it is not a double entendre. If anyone thinks it is, that's
their problem, not ours. The whole beefy miracle thing is and _has
always been_ about a food product.
I believe you -- though no reference to anything other than Fedora
appears in the top Google searches for that phrase -- but the fact that
nobody outside the US gets the joke should perhaps tell you something.
Not that it's offensive (people can be offended at anything) but that
it's so obscure as to be completely meaningless. No wonder people try
and put interpretations on it.
Fedora version names don't matter to anyone, until suddenly they do and
not in a good way. Best get rid of them.
poc
8:53 p.m.
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 15:55, george2 <george2(a)spanmail.net> wrote:
But also note that few women are involved in the approval processes.
The
banking crises was in part formed by many individuals sensing something
wasn't right but did not take any personal responsibility to act.
From Bonsai and Origami to Human Rights and Global Warming,
there's a
wide range of options for entertainment or worthy causes you could
join if one wants to invest his/her spare time. Agonizing over a Linux
distro release name is a waste of time, if you ask me.
But that is just me.
FC
10:19 p.m.
On 04/27/2012 01:55 PM, george2 wrote:
The banking crises was in part formed by many individuals sensing
something wasn't right but did not take any personal responsibility to
act.
If you really meant the words you typed then you would be responding to
the replies to your message.
It is obvious you wrote a one-off rant that alleviates your ignorance
about what the F17 name means.
A.K.A. A spam mail to the test list.
7:14 a.m.
On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 12:25 AM, george2 <george2(a)spanmail.net> wrote:
Most who communicated with me believe this is not the place to raise
this
request. That iis too late in the process. The name process was discussed by
Hello george,
you can use the
Fedora community advisory board <advisory-board(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>,
--
Regards,
Buddhike Chandradeepa Kurera(bckurera)
Fedora Ambassador - APAC region
Event Liaison - Design Team
Email: bckurera@fedoraproject.org | IRC: bckurera
9:15 a.m.
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 7:55 PM, george2 <george2(a)spanmail.net> wrote:
I present a request to not move to release F17 until the release name
is
changed in the released code.
I appreciate the comments public and private but it remains that this name
may do considerable harm.
This has already been discussed on the advisory-board mailing list,
please go and read the list archives there. The vote for naming
happened a whole 6 months ago and when that was announced was the time
to complain not a couple of weeks before the release is due.
Ultimately the ways and means of registering your dislike of the name
was when it was being voted for and rallying a crowd of people to vote
against the name then.
Peter
There is not formal criterion for a blocker bug. So I appeal to this
group,
as the last in the community, to present their decision that the release is
not yet ready, for humanitarian reasons.
You would block if there was a flaw in an important technical element, but
Fedora is more than technology, it is a community.
Most who communicated with me believe this is not the place to raise this
request. That iis too late in the process. The name process was discussed by
the "board" and they declined to address the concerns raised and defer to
address naming and word meaning and connotations at a future release. If
this had been flushed-out when the warning was raised, it would not have
impacted the placement of the objected-to name in so many places and
documentation and release notes. I was not part of those initial dialogs.
Some have said to me that it cannot be stopped because "legal" or some other
group did not object so it is ok for Testing to assume ok. But also note
that few women are involved in the approval processes. The banking crises
was in part formed by many individuals sensing something wasn't right but
did not take any personal responsibility to act.
Consider please:
if one headmaster says the release is inappropriate to use in the
teaching or desktop situation;
if one religious leader objects to its use in that the supporting
material for the name says "this is your new god"
if one advocate of equality for women speaks up
if one government department says its use violates discrimination in the
workplace laws
if one parent objects
and it is picked up by the press....
I don't know the future, but I think that releasing with this name has the
potential to be a destroyer of the momentum that the contributors to
Fedora with the support of RedHat have worked to build.
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10:35 a.m.
Am Freitag, den 27.04.2012, 14:55 -0400 schrieb george2:
I present a request to not move to release F17 until the release
name
is changed in the released code.
I appreciate the comments public and private but it remains that this
name may do considerable harm.
There is not formal criterion for a blocker bug. So I appeal to this
group, as the last in the community, to present their decision that
the release is not yet ready, for humanitarian reasons.
Humanitarianism is an universal concept that tries to establish a set of
common values not based on grounds of religion, gender or nationality,
but if I understand you correctly your concerns are religious. Correct?
You would block if there was a flaw in an important technical
element,
but Fedora is more than technology, it is a community.
So far we had two people raising their concerns, but our community is
much bigger. We certainly don't want to offend anyone, but when dealing
with a world-wide community with many different cultures, it is nearly
impossible to it right for everybody.
Most who communicated with me believe this is not the place to raise
this request. That iis too late in the process. The name process was
discussed by the "board" and they declined to address the concerns
raised and defer to address naming and word meaning and connotations
at a future release. If this had been flushed-out when the warning was
raised, it would not have impacted the placement of the objected-to
name in so many places and documentation and release notes. I was not
part of those initial dialogs.
Then please be so kind as to read what has been discussed before.
It was already to late when this topic was brought up on the advisory
board weeks ago and bringing it up now is certainly too late.
The person who brought the issue to the Board's attention was fine with
our approach to address this with a connotation analysis in the future.
This requires that people speak up when the naming suggestions are
announced.
Some have said to me that it cannot be stopped because
"legal" or some
other group did not object so it is ok for Testing to assume ok.
It's not so much the Red Hat Legal department. They just sort out names
that don't work for legal reasons but they don't force us to pick
anything. The reason we cannot stop it was because 1) it has already
been subject to a vote of the community and b) several groups such as
the design-team, marketing or the ambassadors already prepared for this
name.
But also note that few women are involved in the approval processes.
The banking crises was in part formed by many individuals sensing
something wasn't right but did not take any personal responsibility to
act.
I am sorry, I don't understand what this has to do with gender or
financial crisis. When speaking of woman, please note the the FPL is one
and did not have any objections.
Consider please:
if one headmaster says the release is inappropriate to use in the
teaching or desktop situation;
if one religious leader objects to its use in that the supporting
material for the name says "this is your new god"
AFAIK none of our marketing materials says this.
if one advocate of equality for women speaks up
Would you mind explaining what this has to do with equality of woman?
if one government department says its use violates discrimination
in the workplace laws
Again I wonder what this has has to do with discrimination. Would you
mind to elaborate this one, too?
if one parent objects
and it is picked up by the press....
I don't know the future, but I think that releasing with this name has
the potential to be a destroyer of the momentum that the contributors
to Fedora with the support of RedHat have worked to build.
I agree we should be more careful in the future, but this requires that
our community speaks up as problems occur and not 6 months later.
Kind regards,
Christoph
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