12:55 p.m.
Hi,
for testing purposes I use a fast Laptop (with Win 8.1) and Fedora on an external disk.
For F23 testing is it preferable to have the system on an PATA external disk? or SATA ext.
disk? Or should this be no matter of significance?
Kind Regards
1:12 p.m.
On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 01:55:40PM -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote:
for testing purposes I use a fast Laptop (with Win 8.1) and Fedora
on
an external disk. For F23 testing is it preferable to have the system
on an PATA external disk? or SATA ext. disk? Or should this be no
matter of significance?
I think both would be useful, for opposite reasons. Most modern systems
and drives are SATA, so by testing that, you test what most people will
see. On the other hand, by testing PATA, you're testing something more
obscure, where problems are less likely to already have been noticed by
somone else.
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1:29 p.m.
On Thu, 2015-08-06 at 13:55 -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote:
Hi,
for testing purposes I use a fast Laptop (with Win 8.1) and Fedora on
an external disk.
For F23 testing is it preferable to have the system on an PATA
external disk? or SATA ext. disk? Or should this be no matter of
significance?
I wouldn't say there's a huge difference.
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2:13 p.m.
Hi,
thank You for the advices. I will buy another Pata disk by ebay and then start testing
F23.
Kind Regards
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Hi,
for testing
purposes I use a fast Laptop (with Win 8.1) and Fedora on
an external disk.
For F23 testing is it preferable to have the system on an PATA
external disk?
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of
significance?
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3:49 p.m.
On 08/06/2015 02:13 PM, Joerg Lechner wrote:
Hi,
thank You for the advices. I will buy another Pata disk by ebay and then start testing
F23.
Kind Regards
Please don't.
Please test with SATA or newer hardware. External or internal.
If you don't have a SATA external enclosure then also pick one of those up.
2:19 p.m.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Adam Williamson
<adamwill(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Thu, 2015-08-06 at 13:55 -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote:
> Hi,
> for testing purposes I use a fast Laptop (with Win 8.1) and Fedora on
> an external disk.
> For F23 testing is it preferable to have the system on an PATA
> external disk? or SATA ext. disk? Or should this be no matter of
> significance?
I wouldn't say there's a huge difference.
Have there been successes with SATA with failures with PATA? What was
the nature? They're both handled by libata and seem sufficiently
abstracted that I'd be surprised if the installer is aware of the
difference.
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2:48 p.m.
On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 01:19:29PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:29 PM, Adam Williamson
>> external disk? or SATA ext. disk? Or should this be no matter of
>> significance?
> I wouldn't say there's a huge difference.
Have there been successes with SATA with failures with PATA? What was
the nature? They're both handled by libata and seem sufficiently
abstracted that I'd be surprised if the installer is aware of the
difference.
Me too, although I also wouldn't be shocked to see the PATA part
bitrotting.
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3:45 p.m.
Chris Murphy composed on 2015-08-06 13:19 (UTC-0600):
Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2015-08-06 at 13:55 -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote:
>> for testing purposes I use a fast Laptop (with Win 8.1) and
Fedora on
>> an external disk.
>> For F23 testing is it preferable to have the system on an PATA
>> external disk? or SATA ext. disk? Or should this be no matter of
>> significance?
> I wouldn't say there's a huge difference.
Have there been successes with SATA with failures with PATA? What
was
the nature? They're both handled by libata and seem sufficiently
abstracted that I'd be surprised if the installer is aware of the
difference.
Looking at all the thread responses, I don't understand any of them. OP is
using a laptop right? While his external *might* be on eSATA, it's more
likely on Firewire, yet almost certainly on USB, especially if not a Mac, and
just as close to certainly *not* on PATA. Whether on Firewire or USB, neither
kernel nor drivers will know whether the outside end is on PATA or SATA,
right? IOW, answer to OP is no difference whatsover, except possibly for a
slight speed difference if USB3 rather than USB2 or Firewire.
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3:49 p.m.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Felix Miata <mrmazda(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
Chris Murphy composed on 2015-08-06 13:19 (UTC-0600):
> Adam Williamson wrote:
>> On Thu, 2015-08-06 at 13:55 -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote:
>>> for testing purposes I use a fast Laptop (with Win 8.1) and Fedora on
>>> an external disk.
>>> For F23 testing is it preferable to have the system on an PATA
>>> external disk? or SATA ext. disk? Or should this be no matter of
>>> significance?
>> I wouldn't say there's a huge difference.
> Have there been successes with SATA with failures with PATA? What was
> the nature? They're both handled by libata and seem sufficiently
> abstracted that I'd be surprised if the installer is aware of the
> difference.
Looking at all the thread responses, I don't understand any of them. OP is
using a laptop right? While his external *might* be on eSATA, it's more
likely on Firewire, yet almost certainly on USB, especially if not a Mac, and
just as close to certainly *not* on PATA. Whether on Firewire or USB, neither
kernel nor drivers will know whether the outside end is on PATA or SATA,
right?
Right.
IOW, answer to OP is no difference whatsover, except possibly for a
slight speed difference if USB3 rather than USB2 or Firewire.
Yeah. And I don't even know if Fedora supports those interfaces for
booting. Obviously USB is for install media, because it has to, but
for /boot or root fs? I don't think so. There's no test for it anyway.
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4:04 p.m.
On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 02:49:27PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Felix Miata
<mrmazda(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
> Chris Murphy composed on 2015-08-06 13:19 (UTC-0600):
>
>> Adam Williamson wrote:
>
>>> On Thu, 2015-08-06 at 13:55 -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote:
>
<snip>
> IOW, answer to OP is no difference whatsover, except possibly
for a
> slight speed difference if USB3 rather than USB2 or Firewire.
Yeah. And I don't even know if Fedora supports those interfaces for
booting. Obviously USB is for install media, because it has to, but
for /boot or root fs? I don't think so. There's no test for it anyway.
i've certianly booted many fedora versions from USB,... both USB HD
and USB flash sticks. why would you think it might not work?
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4:23 p.m.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Fred Smith
<fredex(a)fcshome.stoneham.ma.us> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 02:49:27PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Felix Miata <mrmazda(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Chris Murphy composed on 2015-08-06 13:19 (UTC-0600):
> >
> >> Adam Williamson wrote:
> >
> >>> On Thu, 2015-08-06 at 13:55 -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote:
> >
<snip>
> > IOW, answer to OP is no difference whatsover, except possibly for a
> > slight speed difference if USB3 rather than USB2 or Firewire.
>
> Yeah. And I don't even know if Fedora supports those interfaces for
> booting. Obviously USB is for install media, because it has to, but
> for /boot or root fs? I don't think so. There's no test for it anyway.
i've certianly booted many fedora versions from USB,... both USB HD
and USB flash sticks. why would you think it might not work?
For the same reason anything might not work. The question raised by
"does Fedora support" means would Fedora block a release if this
didn't work. Yes if it were USB install media. But if for some reason
either installing to or booting from a system installed onto a USB
stick or drive? I don't know. Again there isn't a test case for USB
explicitly.
I'd think it's more of an issue for ARM where USB and SD installations
are probably typical, where on x86 they're rare.
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4:41 p.m.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Chris Murphy <lists(a)colorremedies.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Fred Smith
<fredex(a)fcshome.stoneham.ma.us> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 06, 2015 at 02:49:27PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Felix Miata <mrmazda(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
>> > Chris Murphy composed on 2015-08-06 13:19 (UTC-0600):
>> >
>> >> Adam Williamson wrote:
>> >
>> >>> On Thu, 2015-08-06 at 13:55 -0400, Joerg Lechner wrote:
>> >
> <snip>
>> > IOW, answer to OP is no difference whatsover, except possibly for a
>> > slight speed difference if USB3 rather than USB2 or Firewire.
>>
>> Yeah. And I don't even know if Fedora supports those interfaces for
>> booting. Obviously USB is for install media, because it has to, but
>> for /boot or root fs? I don't think so. There's no test for it anyway.
>
> i've certianly booted many fedora versions from USB,... both USB HD
> and USB flash sticks. why would you think it might not work?
For the same reason anything might not work. The question raised by
"does Fedora support" means would Fedora block a release if this
didn't work. Yes if it were USB install media. But if for some reason
either installing to or booting from a system installed onto a USB
stick or drive? I don't know. Again there isn't a test case for USB
explicitly.
I'd think it's more of an issue for ARM where USB and SD installations
are probably typical, where on x86 they're rare.
Far from typical on x86 I'm sure, but I feel it is becoming a little
more common due to rising popularity of x86 based tablets. I use one
myself and rather than split the meager internal storage between
Windows and Linux I just keep Linux on an SD card. Works great.
5:27 p.m.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Donavan Lance <tusklahoma(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Far from typical on x86 I'm sure, but I feel it is becoming a
little
more common due to rising popularity of x86 based tablets. I use one
myself and rather than split the meager internal storage between
Windows and Linux I just keep Linux on an SD card. Works great.
My SD card slot behavior sample size is small. It needs to work when
it's the main way to boot, sure. But my experience on Macs has been
crap. So at least on a Mac I'd say it's disqualified from being
blocked on if it didn't boot a system. It might be in the category of
video, where failures are taken on a case by case basis.
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8:44 p.m.
On Thu, 2015-08-06 at 13:19 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
Have there been successes with SATA with failures with PATA? What
was
the nature? They're both handled by libata and seem sufficiently
abstracted that I'd be surprised if the installer is aware of the
difference.
It's a very old distinction; the old
"QA:Testcase_Install_to_Pata_Device" appears first around F11. That's
sufficiently long ago that I don't know or remember if it was added in
response to any particular incident or just on general principles.
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