ARM release-blocking desktop changed to Xfce

[Adam Williamson]

In accordance with discussion at today's Go/No-Go meeting, I've changed
the release-blocking desktop for ARM from KDE to Xfce in 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:Release_criteria_preamble (whic
h is included in each of the Release Criteria pages). For those not at
the meeting and who don't want to read through the whole log, this has
been changed on the basis that KDE 5 requires 3D acceleration and does
not fully work with llvmpipe (software rendering), and we don't have
hardware 3D support for any of our supported ARM platforms at this
time, so it no longer makes any sense for KDE to be the blocking
desktop for ARM.

I'd suggest the ARM team takes whatever steps necessary so that, in
future, they can ensure this desktop is working and tested - including
ensuring that resources will be available to fix bugs in Xfce,
potentially at short notice - and if they wish to change it again or
not have a release-blocking desktop any more, this be proposed at an
appropriate point in the cycle.

I will also adjust the desktop validation matrix appropriately (moving
KDE to non-blocking and ARM to blocking), effective from Alpha RC2 as
this change was effectively applied to Alpha at the meeting.
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Adam Williamson
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[Rex Dieter]

Adam Williamson wrote:

>  ). For those not at
>  the meeting and who don't want to read through the whole log, this has
>  been changed on the basis that KDE 5 requires 3D acceleration and does
>  not fully work with llvmpipe (software rendering), and we don't have
>  hardware 3D support for any of our supported ARM platforms at this
>  time, so it no longer makes any sense for KDE to be the blocking
>  desktop for ARM. 
This should have been the case already for Fedora 22 as well.  Did it work 
there and something (recently) regressed or am I missing something?

-- Rex

[Adam Williamson]

On Sat, 2015-08-08 at 10:54 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
>  Adam Williamson wrote:
>  
>  > ). For those not at
>  > the meeting and who don't want to read through the whole log, this 
>  > has
>  > been changed on the basis that KDE 5 requires 3D acceleration and 
>  > does
>  > not fully work with llvmpipe (software rendering), and we don't 
>  > have
>  > hardware 3D support for any of our supported ARM platforms at this
>  > time, so it no longer makes any sense for KDE to be the blocking
>  > desktop for ARM.
>  
>  This should have been the case already for Fedora 22 as well.  Did it 
>  work 
>  there and something (recently) regressed or am I missing something? 
Well, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_22_Final_RC2_D
esktop has checks in all the ARM KDE desktop tests from pwhalen. And
that's all I know, as I never can get any of my ARM devices to actually
work well enough to test anything reliably.
-- 
Adam Williamson
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[Paul Whalen]

----- Original Message -----
>  On Sat, 2015-08-08 at 10:54 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
>  > Adam Williamson wrote:
>  > 
>  > > ). For those not at
>  > > the meeting and who don't want to read through the whole log, this
>  > > has
>  > > been changed on the basis that KDE 5 requires 3D acceleration and
>  > > does
>  > > not fully work with llvmpipe (software rendering), and we don't
>  > > have
>  > > hardware 3D support for any of our supported ARM platforms at this
>  > > time, so it no longer makes any sense for KDE to be the blocking
>  > > desktop for ARM.
>  > 
>  > This should have been the case already for Fedora 22 as well.  Did it
>  > work
>  > there and something (recently) regressed or am I missing something?
>  
>  Well, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_22_Final_RC2_D
>  esktop has checks in all the ARM KDE desktop tests from pwhalen. And 
Yes, it was working in F22 so there has been some regression. 

>  that's all I know, as I never can get any of my ARM devices to
> actually
>  work well enough to test anything reliably. 
Let's fix that at Flock. If you want to bring your Trimslice, I think it
needs to be upgraded to more recent version of U-Boot, and the Beaglebone
Black needs a serial cable, which I'm bringing for you. 

Regards, 
Paul

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[fedora-arm] ARM release-blocking desktop changed to Xfce

[Dennis Gilmore]

It worked in f22 but was a bit slow. Plasmashell is segfaulting and the bug filing process
does not work.

Dennis

On August 8, 2015 10:54:48 AM CDT, Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt; wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > ). For those not at
> > the meeting and who don't want to read through the whole log, this
> has
> > been changed on the basis that KDE 5 requires 3D acceleration and
> does
> > not fully work with llvmpipe (software rendering), and we don't have
> > hardware 3D support for any of our supported ARM platforms at this
> > time, so it no longer makes any sense for KDE to be the blocking
> > desktop for ARM.
>
> This should have been the case already for Fedora 22 as well.  Did it
> work 
> there and something (recently) regressed or am I missing something?
>
> -- Rex
>
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[fedora-arm] ARM release-blocking desktop changed to Xfce

[Adam Jackson]

On Sat, 2015-08-08 at 11:27 -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
>  It worked in f22 but was a bit slow. Plasmashell is segfaulting and 
>  the bug filing process does not work. 
Do you mean:

a) abrt can't figure out how to file a bug about this
b) nobody can be bothered to file a bug about this
c) there is a bug filed and it's not gotten any attention

- ajax

[fedora-arm] ARM release-blocking desktop changed to Xfce

[Dennis Gilmore]

On Monday, August 10, 2015 11:39:30 AM Adam Jackson wrote:
>  On Sat, 2015-08-08 at 11:27 -0500, Dennis Gilmore wrote:
>  > It worked in f22 but was a bit slow. Plasmashell is segfaulting and
>  > the bug filing process does not work.
>  
>  Do you mean:
>  
>  a) abrt can't figure out how to file a bug about this
>  b) nobody can be bothered to file a bug about this
>  c) there is a bug filed and it's not gotten any attention
>  
>  - ajax 
plasmashell explodes, the inbuilt kde bug filer  that loads up fails to be 
able to report a bug. ABRT does not get a look in.

Dennis