# Fedora Quality Assurance Meeting # Date: 2010-07-12 # Time: 15:00 UTC (11:00 EDT, 17:00 CEST) [1] # Location: #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net
Greetings gang,
If you haven't noticed, things are really heating up in preparation for the upcoming release. I'd like to review a few upcoming activities, as well as check-in on proventesters. Wwoods also asked to discuss a team sprint around the updated AutoQA depcheck milestone.
As always, corrections+suggestions to the agenda are welcome.
= Proposed Agenda =
1. Previous meeting follow-up 2. Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #1 3. Fedora 14 Install Matrix Review 4. Proventester update 5. AutoQA PUATP (package update acceptance test plan) 6. Open discussion <your topic here>
Thanks, James
On 07/12/2010 01:00 PM, James Laska wrote:
6. Open discussion<your topic here>
There's one issue that needs to be discussed and resolved and that's maintainers ignoring their packaging responsibility by not being the bridge between upstream and bugzilla refusing to resolve outstanding bugs and forcing reporters to file bugs against upstream bugzilla(s) trac system and what not.
This behaviour causes serious confusion and rift in the community and disrupts the QA workflow.
JBG
On 12/07/10 14:13, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 07/12/2010 01:00 PM, James Laska wrote:
6. Open discussion<your topic here>There's one issue that needs to be discussed and resolved and that's maintainers ignoring their packaging responsibility by not being the bridge between upstream and bugzilla refusing to resolve outstanding bugs and forcing reporters to file bugs against upstream bugzilla(s) trac system and what not.
This behaviour causes serious confusion and rift in the community and disrupts the QA workflow.
JBG
Thers an ongoing thread on devel list.
On 07/12/2010 01:19 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
Thers an ongoing thread on devel list.
There have been many threads on the development list through out several release cycles about this issue.
All those thread led nowhere and all those thread had all little to no input from the QA community and reporters/triagers in general. ( FYI. Not all reporters are subscribed to the development list as are not all developers/maintainers subscribed to the test list. ) Why should this be any different now?
This issue needs to be raised to FESCO with a firm stance from the QA community on the issue.
JBG
As always, IRC transcript and minutes available on the wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20100712
= Attendees =
People present (lines said):
* jlaska (133) * wwoods (121) * adamw (67) * j_dulaney (66) * kparal (29) * Viking-Ice (25) * jskladan (11) * tertl3 (11) * dafrito (6) * vaschenb (6) * fedbot (4) * zodbot (3) * Southern_Gentlem (1)
Regrets: * [[User:liam|liam]] * [[User:rhe|rhe]]
= Agenda = * Proposed meeting agenda - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-July/092024.html * MeetBot summary - http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-07-12/fedora-qa.2010-07...
== Previous meeting follow-up == 1. jlaska to cleanup (or remove) the Critical Path Packages#Background section so that it provides _some_ value * Content updated at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Critical_Path_Packages#Background 2. j_dulaney to draft a combined proventesters / joinproventesters wiki page for list review * Saved discussion for the proventesters topic 3. wwoods to evaluate nss-softokn dependency problem for proper 'depcheck' coverage * http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-July/138478.html
== Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #1 ==
Owner - [[User:jlaska]] Summary * Per task#4 on the fedora-qa schedule [http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-14/f-14-quality-tasks.html], a rawhide acceptance test run was scheduled for 2010-07-09. * See https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/3842, images built on Jul 12, 2010. Next steps ... * Testing underway, results posted to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_14_Pre-Alpha_Rawhide_Acce... * Test summary will be sent to test@lists.fedoraproject.org
== Fedora 14 Install Matrix Review == Owner - [[User:rhe]] Summary * Updated Fedora 14 install test plan (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Fedora_14_Install_Test_Plan) and test matrix (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Fedora_14_Install_Results_Template) * The proposed pages will be used to test Fedora 14 Next steps ... * Feedback encouraged. Please review test plan and matrix.
== Proventester Update ==
Owner - [[User:Maxamillion]], [[User:Adamwill]] Summary * Adam Miller announced that the proventesters wiki page ([[QA/JoinProvenTesters]]) is no longer a draft. * There are several TRAC requests to join the ''proventesters'' group. * [[User:Adamwill]] drafted ''proventester'' instructions and sent to the list for review. * Several draft documents were out for review: * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Adamwill/Draft_proventesters * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dafrito/Proven_tester * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jdulaney/Proven_Tester Next steps * Team chose the adamwill draft as final version * Research generating recurring critpath+proventester metrics
== AutoQA PUATP ==
Owner - [[User:wwoods]] Summary * In order to automate the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Package_Update_Acceptance_Test_Plan, wwoods proposed prioritizing the following autoqa milestones * depcheck - https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/Package% 20Update%20Acceptance%20Test%20Plan%20-%20depcheck * multi-hook test support - https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/Multi-hook% 20tests * Finalize test base class patchset - https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-July/000815.html * Finalize label patchset - https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-July/000820.html * The team agreed with the proposed focus, and would begin to carve up tickets Next steps... * Start picking up tickets in the above milestones
= Open discussion - <Your topic here> =
== Reporting bugs upstream vs fedora bugzilla ==
Owner - [[User:Johannbg]] Summary * Asked for QA to make a decision on a debate from devel@ regarding whether bugs should be submitted against Fedora, or against the upstream project. * Expressed concerns for time wasted by bug reports and maintainers if some bugs are not tracked in Fedora, but upstream Next steps... * Not enough time for discussion, and no consensus reached. * Continue discussion on list
= Upcoming QA events =
* 2010-07-08 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #1 * 2010-07-15 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #2 * 2010-07-22 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #3 * 2010-07-23 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #1 * 2010-07-30 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #2
= Action items =
1. adamw to talk with lmacken about generating recurring email reports on proventester
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