10:51 a.m.
I would just like to point out, if anyone from Red Hat is listening, do you
see what this trouble is all about? Do you get my point now?
These guys are pulling their hair out trying to get BASIC MULTIMEDIA support
on their Red Hat system!
Shall I rest my case?
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From: Rainer.Hattenhauer(a)t-online.de
To: rhl-beta-list(a)redhat.com
Sent: 9/7/03 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: RH10 multimedia support
Hi,
The source can't be read.
Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't
contain data (e.g: not disc in dirve). (/dev/dvd)
/dev/dvd is a link to /dev/scd1 which is my dvd drive.
Does anyone know what I need to do to get this to work?
Perhaps your link /dev/dvd isn't configured proper.
Try to adjust this directly in xine (viedeo input, device /dev/scd1).
Another possibility is that the DVD is CSS-type, and you have to install
libdvdcss.
Rainer
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11 a.m.
New subject: RH10 multimedia support
Here are the counter parts:
1) Red Hat cant ship the codecs without licenses and probably breaking
their free software promise
2) Putting links to easily download copies of the codecs that are put on
various internet sites can bring about DMCA violation lawsuits (as
evidenced from the 2600.com and similar cases).
3) It would be a calculated risk that making it easy to link in software
from people who you do not have a business relationship could also get a
DMCA case against you.
The joys of todays paranoid computing.
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Joseph Phillips wrote:
I would just like to point out, if anyone from Red Hat is listening,
do you
see what this trouble is all about? Do you get my point now?
These guys are pulling their hair out trying to get BASIC MULTIMEDIA support
on their Red Hat system!
Shall I rest my case?
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11:23 a.m.
New subject: RH10 multimedia support
2) Putting links to easily download copies of the codecs that are put
on
various internet sites can bring about DMCA violation lawsuits (as
evidenced from the 2600.com and similar cases).
3) It would be a calculated risk that making it easy to link in software
from people who you do not have a business relationship could also get a
DMCA case against you.
Maybe it's time someone with some money in one of the banks took this
risk. Drew the fire of the RIAA/MPAA and fought the case not against a
piracy claim but against a legitimate use of decss to VIEW dvds on a
non-windows,non-macintosh platform.
-sv
12:02 p.m.
New subject: RH10 multimedia support
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 12:23:31PM -0400, seth vidal wrote:
> 2) Putting links to easily download copies of the codecs that are put on
> various internet sites can bring about DMCA violation lawsuits (as
> evidenced from the 2600.com and similar cases).
>
> 3) It would be a calculated risk that making it easy to link in software
> from people who you do not have a business relationship could also get a
> DMCA case against you.
Maybe it's time someone with some money in one of the banks took this
risk. Drew the fire of the RIAA/MPAA and fought the case not against a
piracy claim but against a legitimate use of decss to VIEW dvds on a
non-windows,non-macintosh platform.
Who in Corporate America has pockets deep enough and bets enough of
its earning on Desktop Linux to go there ? I think you have more chance
to get there by making it a political problem and fixed that way, i.e.
I don't think there is any chance of this happening in the foreseeable
future <grin/>
Good luck !
Daniel
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12:16 p.m.
New subject: RH10 multimedia support
I agree with Daniel here. The amount of money that would need to be
spent on the legal case would be in the 100 million to low billions in
cost. There would be the needed research into all case and patents,
getting the appropriate politicians paid for (I mean lobbied), and also
pay off the RIAA/MPAA to make them go away. It would take around 10-20
years to get done also as you would need to make sure the appropriate
public pressure and right judges had been appointed. IE you would need
to do exactly what the RIAA/MPAA have done for the last 4 decades.
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Daniel Veillard wrote:
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 12:23:31PM -0400, seth vidal wrote:
>
> > 2) Putting links to easily download copies of the codecs that are put on
> > various internet sites can bring about DMCA violation lawsuits (as
> > evidenced from the 2600.com and similar cases).
> >
> > 3) It would be a calculated risk that making it easy to link in software
> > from people who you do not have a business relationship could also get a
> > DMCA case against you.
>
> Maybe it's time someone with some money in one of the banks took this
> risk. Drew the fire of the RIAA/MPAA and fought the case not against a
> piracy claim but against a legitimate use of decss to VIEW dvds on a
> non-windows,non-macintosh platform.
Who in Corporate America has pockets deep enough and bets enough of
its earning on Desktop Linux to go there ? I think you have more chance
to get there by making it a political problem and fixed that way, i.e.
I don't think there is any chance of this happening in the foreseeable
future <grin/>
Good luck !
Daniel
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12:24 p.m.
New subject: RH10 multimedia support
seth vidal wrote:
>2) Putting links to easily download copies of the codecs that are
put on
>various internet sites can bring about DMCA violation lawsuits (as
>evidenced from the 2600.com and similar cases).
>
>3) It would be a calculated risk that making it easy to link in software
>from people who you do not have a business relationship could also get a
>DMCA case against you.
>
>
Maybe it's time someone with some money in one of the banks took this
risk. Drew the fire of the RIAA/MPAA and fought the case not against a
piracy claim but against a legitimate use of decss to VIEW dvds on a
non-windows,non-macintosh platform.
That's what I want to see - and that's my real concern, not the
difficulty of installing multimedia support. Skulking around under this
cloud of doubt can be quite tiresome, I'd love to have it out in the
open and have it decided that, yes, I can legally view the DVDs I've
purchased.
Joe
2 p.m.
New subject: RH10 multimedia support
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 10:24:15AM -0700, Joe wrote:
seth vidal wrote:
>Maybe it's time someone with some money in one of the banks took this
>risk. Drew the fire of the RIAA/MPAA and fought the case not against a
>piracy claim but against a legitimate use of decss to VIEW dvds on a
>non-windows,non-macintosh platform.
>
>
That's what I want to see - and that's my real concern, not the
difficulty of installing multimedia support. Skulking around under this
cloud of doubt can be quite tiresome, I'd love to have it out in the
open and have it decided that, yes, I can legally view the DVDs I've
purchased.
So the law need fixing ? Well here the way we get it changed is put
pressure on the political system to try to have it changed. This may
not work in the US, but that's how democracies are supposed to function,
aren't they ? Honnestly, suggesting to use a lawsuit to fix a breakage
in law sounds really bizarre from here.
Daniel
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3:41 p.m.
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--- seth vidal <skvidal(a)phy.duke.edu> wrote:
Maybe it's time someone with some money in one of
the banks took this
risk. Drew the fire of the RIAA/MPAA and fought the
case not against a
piracy claim but against a legitimate use of decss
to VIEW dvds on a
non-windows,non-macintosh platform.
I would personally rather let them rot in their own
hell with their closed source trap and let them play
their games with trying to stop software pirating and
every other evil closed source has created. Let them
deal with making things worse, instead of opening
things to make them better. The difference between
closed source companies and open source companies, is
that closed source companies are interested in ONLY
one thing: Making money. Open Source companies are
interested in not only making money, but also having
their platform progress and become faster and better.
Let's face it, most developers that start out working
for open source projects, start out because they enjoy
what they do, not because they're getting paid. Which
do you think will work better in the end?
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2:58 p.m.
New subject: RH10 multimedia support
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 08:51:02 -0700, you wrote:
I would just like to point out, if anyone from Red Hat is listening,
do you
see what this trouble is all about? Do you get my point now?
These guys are pulling their hair out trying to get BASIC MULTIMEDIA support
on their Red Hat system!
Another way of viewing this is to put pressure on the people creating
these various multimedia apps to stop adding new stuff and make their
current offerings more polished.
Many of these "troubles" would likely go away if someone took the time
to create descriptive error messages, useful help systems, and cleaned
up some of the mess that the current systems are.
Why should it be up to Red Hat and the other distributions to figure
out the mess that is installing these apps?
3:03 p.m.
New subject: RH10 multimedia support
--- Joseph Phillips <jphillips(a)amphus.com> wrote:
These guys are pulling their hair out trying to get
BASIC MULTIMEDIA support
on their Red Hat system!
Shall I rest my case?
There is still the licensing problem that exists. This
can't ever be changed.... especially when patent laws
are being broken. Red Hat would be held liable if they
released software that contained proprietary and
illegal software.
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