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[Mohamed Eldesoky]

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Newly released package
I have taken it, and won't be able to complete it all, will release it as soon 
as I feel I am hanged !

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Mohamed Eldesoky
Systems Engineer
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[Munzir Taha]

On Yaum al-Khamees 04 Jumaada al-Thaani 1425 11:00 am, Mohamed Eldesoky wrote:
>  Newly released package
>  I have taken it, 
The status page shows you haven't taken it yet!

>  and won't be able to complete it all, will release it as 
>  soon as I feel I am hanged ! 
It's only 21 strings so you would finish it very quickly.

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[Mohamed Eldesoky]

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On Thursday 22 July 2004 1:38 pm, Munzir Taha wrote:
>  On Yaum al-Khamees 04 Jumaada al-Thaani 1425 11:00 am, Mohamed
> Eldesoky  
wrote:
>  > Newly released package
>  > I have taken it,
>
>  The status page shows you haven't taken it yet!
>
>  > and won't be able to complete it all, will release it as
>  > soon as I feel I am hanged !
>
>  It's only 21 strings so you would finish it very quickly. 
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Systems Engineer
RedHat Certified Engineer
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Common Words or Phrases..

[maha helwa]

Hello All..

Well sorry for being out of your discussions and couldn't follow up your
emails..
but seems munzir and desokey making a good couple here and enjoying their
work :)) Masha` Allah..

i'd like to suggest something.. if we could parse the whole files..and
collect just the common words then unify its translation or to at least to
insure it's unified.. 
something like 'debug' Munzir suggested a translation and desokey did the
translation..
this word could be in other files translated by other ppl with old
translation still kept there.. so to be consistent i suggest collecting all
the common words into one single file and translate or review all of them..

What do you think!! maybe maybe it does not worth such an effort, because no
common words exists.. but it's just an idea came into my mind. and i'd like
to tell you about.


Maha.

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Common Words or Phrases..

[Munzir Taha]

On Yaum al-Ahad 07 Jumaada al-Thaani 1425 04:57 pm, maha helwa wrote:
>  Hello All..
>
>  Well sorry for being out of your discussions and couldn't follow up your
>  emails..
>  but seems munzir and desokey making a good couple here and enjoying their
>  work :)) Masha` Allah.. 
Thanks for the encouragement!

>  i'd like to suggest something.. if we could parse the whole
> files..and
>  collect just the common words then unify its translation or to at least to
>  insure it's unified..
>  something like 'debug' Munzir suggested a translation and desokey did the
>  translation..
>  this word could be in other files translated by other ppl with old
>  translation still kept there.. so to be consistent i suggest collecting all
>  the common words into one single file and translate or review all of them.. 
Sure you are right. As Sherif suggest we will go through all these issues 
after finishing the translation. I hope by next week inshallah. Priority one 
would be a glossary list, better to be discussed with other groups if we 
agree together ;)

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Common Words or Phrases..

[maha helwa]

>  On Yaum al-Ahad 07 Jumaada al-Thaani 1425 04:57 pm, maha helwa
> wrote:
>  > Hello All..
>  >
>  > Well sorry for being out of your discussions and couldn't follow up your
>  > emails..
>  > but seems munzir and desokey making a good couple here and enjoying
>  their
>  > work :)) Masha` Allah..
>  
>  Thanks for the encouragement!
>  
>  > i'd like to suggest something.. if we could parse the whole files..and
>  > collect just the common words then unify its translation or to at least
>  to
>  > insure it's unified..
>  > something like 'debug' Munzir suggested a translation and desokey did
>  the
>  > translation..
>  > this word could be in other files translated by other ppl with old
>  > translation still kept there.. so to be consistent i suggest collecting
>  all
>  > the common words into one single file and translate or review all of
>  them..
>  
>  Sure you are right. As Sherif suggest we will go through all these issues 
>  after finishing the translation. I hope by next week inshallah. Priority
>  one 
>  would be a glossary list, better to be discussed with other groups if we 
>  agree together ;) 
 
what's other groups you are talking about :))
Okay.. i can do this task..collecting whatever i said common words or
repeated phrases into single file to be sure at least that all was
translated the same translation.

Aaand i suppose that i took a file for reviewing loong time ago :))& didn't
finish it yet.. got busy!! and ask you to vote but just you Munzir and
Desookey reply on me.. 

So i guess the actions on me will be.. 
1. finish that file "apacheconf.po" within this week insha2 ALLAH :)).. and
do the same thing as before like mcq :)
2. this one after you agree ofcourse.. collecting the common words. but in
this case, is this link below have latest versions of the
files:

http://www.arabic-fedora.org/index.php?option=com_docman&Itemid=40&am...

well, i dont know how to help you but i'll try to do something.
ok.. why don't you Munzir send me 20 Strings of the remaining strings and
i'll try to translate them.


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Common Words or Phrases..

[Munzir Taha]

On Yaum al-Sabt 13 Jumaada al-Thaani 1425 22:04, maha helwa wrote:
>  > On Yaum al-Ahad 07 Jumaada al-Thaani 1425 04:57 pm, maha helwa
> wrote:
>  > > Hello All.. 

>  > would be a glossary list, better to be discussed with other
> groups if we
>  > agree together ;)
>
>  what's other groups you are talking about :)) 
I will tell everything after we finish the file ;)

>  well, i dont know how to help you but i'll try to do something.
>  ok.. why don't you Munzir send me 20 Strings of the remaining strings and
>  i'll try to translate them. 
I am attaching you the same file sent previously to Desoky. Just start from 
entry 61 and translate 20 strings and send them please.

Thanks

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Common Words or Phrases..

[Munzir Taha]

On Yau al-Thulatha 16 Jumaada al-Thaani 1425 04:39, you wrote:
>  On Yaum al-Sabt 13 Jumaada al-Thaani 1425 22:04, maha helwa wrote:
>  > > On Yaum al-Ahad 07 Jumaada al-Thaani 1425 04:57 pm, maha helwa wrote:
>  > > > Hello All..
>  > >
>  > > would be a glossary list, better to be discussed with other groups if
>  > > we agree together ;)
>  >
>  > what's other groups you are talking about :)) 
Mainly I meant arabeyes since they have already began a common words technical 
list. I prefer not to scatter efforts and still reserve ourselves the right 
to deviate from some of the translations there if we agree that we have 
something better. For example I didn't like their translation/transcribing of 
product names. They used to translate KDE for example as كيدي and I propose 
to leave these as they are but they refuse my idea strongly ;). Here also, I 
want to listen to your opinions regarding this issue and depending on your 
final votes we will consider what to do.

My suggestion of product names translation is to leave them as they are in 
English. If an Arabic user don't know English and can't understand SATAN, he 
would be more confused if he find it as ساتان. No need to translate 
OpenOffice.org to say أوبن أوفيس.أورج . I checked what other OS are doing. 
e.g Microsoft didn't translated Word as وورد Anyone can take a look at any 
localized version of Windows or office or any other app like flash or 
photoshop or ... and he won't see them transfering the name in Arabic. 
Whether the reason is trademark issues or just get the headache away from 
translators heads, this is the trend. Let me hear from you...

>  > well, i dont know how to help you but i'll try to do
> something.
>  > ok.. why don't you Munzir send me 20 Strings of the remaining strings and
>  > i'll try to translate them.
>
>  I am attaching you the same file sent previously to Desoky. Just start from
>  entry 61 and translate 20 strings and send them please. 
BTW: I am sorry I shouldn't send the file here. Just a mistake.

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Common Words or Phrases..

[Sherif AbdElGawad]

>  Mainly I meant arabeyes since they have already began a common words
> technical 
>  list. I prefer not to scatter efforts and still reserve ourselves the right 
>  to deviate from some of the translations there if we agree that we have 
>  something better. For example I didn't like their translation/transcribing of 
>  product names. They used to translate KDE for example as كيدي and I propose 
>  to leave these as they are but they refuse my idea strongly ;). Here also, I 
>  want to listen to your opinions regarding this issue and depending on your 
>  final votes we will consider what to do. 
I do agree that certain terms and names should be kept untranslated.
Looking at it as letters in arabic will not provide any information,
so I guess Munzir you are right in not provide "pronunciation
translation". 

>  ......< snip> ...........Anyone can take a look at any 
>  localized version of Windows or office or any other app like flash or 
>  photoshop or ... and he won't see them transfering the name in Arabic. 
>  Whether the reason is trademark issues or just get the headache away from 
>  translators heads, this is the trend. Let me hear from you... 
I agree with you. It is good to look at the others and try not to be off
the current localized effort. We still have to reserve the right to
discuss and validate any similar things in Windows or other products. 


>  > I am attaching you the same file sent previously to Desoky. Just
> start from
>  > entry 61 and translate 20 strings and send them please.
>  
>  BTW: I am sorry I shouldn't send the file here. Just a mistake. 
By default you only allowed 40K here. I get a request for action for
bigger files to approve. I looked at your attachamet and was like hmm
what should I do! I thought I should approve it and leave you a note,
but got too busy and forgot to do that. So yes, please for larg files
guys send it directly to the person who needs it.

P.S. I am sorry for not being so active here or on Resala Linux mailing
list .. it is just I have no time to breath! But I should organize my
time soon.  Munzir you are doing an outstanding work :)

Thanks

Sherif

Common Words or Phrases..

[maha helwa]

Hello..

I agree too.. it's useless/meaningless if we translated in that way..
But i have a thought..
i guess we could write down the untranslated word with a brief description
about what the acronym or the product name is about.. because if the
end-user got an error message or warning message.. it should be more
informative. like any other abbreviation, you tell  what it stands for..it's
not like that exactly. 

Something like "MS Office" hmm i thought it would be like this: 
 " (MS
office)التطبيق
المكتبى
ل" YUk..  
i mean just leave a useful hint to the user..


didn't check this in any localized version Yet!! 


Maha.


>  My suggestion of product names translation is to leave them as they
> are in
>  English. If an Arabic user don't know English and can't understand SATAN,
>  he 
>  would be more confused if he find it as ساتان. No need to 
translate

>  OpenOffice.org to say أوبن
أوفيس.أورج . I checked what other
>  OS are doing. 
>  e.g Microsoft didn't translated Word as وورد Anyone can take
a look at
>  any 
>  localized version of Windows or office or any other app like flash or 
>  photoshop or ... and he won't see them transfering the name in Arabic. 
>  Whether the reason is trademark issues or just get the headache away from 
>  translators heads, this is the trend. Let me hear from you...
>   
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Common Words or Phrases..

[Munzir Taha]

On Yaum al-Jumma 19 Jumaada al-Thaani 1425 23:47, maha helwa wrote:
>  Hello.. 
>  Something like "MS Office" hmm i thought it would be like
> this:
>   " (MS office)التطبيق المكتبي 
Good idea as far as i won't create a redundancy. For example you alreayd have 
an Office submenu where you have many office programs like OO.o, KOffice, 
AbiWord, .... In such a case it's enough to translate the Office menu and all 
programs under it need no more explanation, ain't it?

>  didn't check this in any localized version Yet!! 
Please, check and confirm.


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