a treasure for translators

[Mohammad Ghoniem]

Salâms

Do you guys know this site : http://www.c4arab.com/qamoos/index.php  ?

salâm

Mohammad

[Sherif Abdelgawad]

This is a great link, thanks for sharing.

Sherif

On Thu, 2004-11-18 at 10:53, Mohammad Ghoniem wrote:
>  Salâms
>  
>  Do you guys know this site : http://www.c4arab.com/qamoos/index.php  ?
>  
>  salâm
>  
>  Mohammad
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[maha helwa]

>  Salâms
>  
>  Do you guys know this site : http://www.c4arab.com/qamoos/index.php  ?
>  
>  salâm
>  
>  Mohammad
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:)) it's really good to know..Thank You Muhammed

 I'v found another translation to "Daemon":
حارس
"Harres" saying that this gurdian works in the background without knowing
that it's already works and not initiated from a user request.
http://www.c4arab.com/qamoos/mean.php?word=Daemon

I guess it's more descriptive and better than
خدمة
"khedma"..
What do you think leave as before or change it?!

Maha

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[Munzir Taha]

On Yaum al-Jumma 06 Shawwal 1425 01:25, maha helwa wrote:
>  > Sal�ms
>  >
>  > Do you guys know this site : http://www.c4arab.com/qamoos/index.php  ? 
>   I'v found another translation to "Daemon":
> حارس
>  "Harres" saying that this gurdian works in the background without knowing
>  that it's already works and not initiated from a user request.
>  http://www.c4arab.com/qamoos/mean.php?word=Daemon
>
>  I guess it's more descriptive and better than
> خدمة
>  "khedma".. 
I believe our translation is more accurate, other opinions?

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[Mohammad Ghoniem]

Munzir Taha wrote:

> On Yaum al-Jumma 06 Shawwal 1425 01:25, maha helwa wrote:
>
> > I'v found another translation to "Daemon":
> حارس
> >"Harres" saying that this gurdian works in the background without knowing
> >that it's already works and not initiated from a user request.
> >http://www.c4arab.com/qamoos/mean.php?word=Daemon
> >
> >I guess it's more descriptive and better than
> خدمة
> >"khedma"..
> >    
> >
>
> I believe our translation is more accurate, other opinions?
>  
I believe خادم may be more suitable for daemon, while خدمة may be 
preferred for "service". You can think of it as خادم المصباح in the 
story of علاء الدين, which corresponds to the primary meaning of daemon. :-)

<mode humour=on>
Of course, we can also try مارد or عفريت. :-P
</mode>

salâm

Mohammad

[maha helwa]

>  Munzir Taha wrote:
>  
>  >On Yaum al-Jumma 06 Shawwal 1425 01:25, maha helwa wrote:
>  >
>  >> I'v found another translation to "Daemon":
> حارس
>  >>"Harres" saying that this gurdian works in the background without
>  knowing
>  >>that it's already works and not initiated from a user request.
>  >>http://www.c4arab.com/qamoos/mean.php?word=Daemon
>  >>
>  >>I guess it's more descriptive and better than
>  خدمة
>  >>"khedma"..
>  >>    
>  >>
>  >
>  >I believe our translation is more accurate, other opinions?
>  >
>  
>  I believe خادم may be more suitable for daemon, while خدمة may be 
>  preferred for "service". You can think of it as خادم المصباح in
>  the 
>  story of علاء الدين, which corresponds to the primary meaning of
>  daemon. :-)
>  
>  <mode humour=on>
>  Of course, we can also try مارد or عفريت. :-P
>  </mode>
>  
>  salâm
>   

I didn't give it a thought it could be the same like "3freet", i liked more
the comment on the word.. 

BTW, i found this in initscript:
"Reloading cron daemon configuration: "
"&#1578;&#1580;&#1585;&#1610;
&#1573;&#1593;&#1575;&#1583;&#1577;
&#1578;&#1581;&#1605;&#1610;&#1604;
&#1573;&#1593;&#1583;&#1575;&#1583;
&#1575;&#1604;&#1593;&#1601;&#1585;&#1610;&#1578;
&#1603;&#1585;&#1608;&#1606; (cron): "

:))

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[Munzir Taha]

On Yaum al-Jumma 06 Shawwal 1425 14:52, maha helwa wrote:

>  BTW, i found this in initscript:
>  "Reloading cron daemon configuration: "
>  "تجري
> إعادة
>  تحميل
> إعداد
>  العفريت
>  كرون (cron): " 
I believe Sherif is going to kill some one here if you continue this 
discussion. Don't say I haven't warned you ;)

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[Sherif Abdelgawad]

On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 11:29, Munzir Taha wrote:
>  On Yaum al-Jumma 06 Shawwal 1425 14:52, maha helwa wrote:
>  
>  > BTW, i found this in initscript:
>  > "Reloading cron daemon configuration: "
>  > "تجري
> إعادة
>  > تحميل
> إعداد
>  > العفريت
>  > كرون (cron): "
>  
>  I believe Sherif is going to kill some one here if you continue this 
>  discussion. Don't say I haven't warned you ;) 
I just decided to step aside and let you guys discus and reach a
conculsion :)

Deskoy , why Linux Egypt logo in English ? ;-)

Sherif

[Mohamed Eldesoky]

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On Friday 19 November 2004 7:47 pm, Sherif Abdelgwad wrote:
>  On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 11:29, Munzir Taha wrote:
>  > On Yaum al-Jumma 06 Shawwal 1425 14:52, maha helwa wrote:
>  > > BTW, i found this in initscript:
>  > > "Reloading cron daemon configuration: "
>  > > "تجري
> إعادة
>  > > تحميل
> إعداد
>  > > العفريت
>  > > كرون (cron): "
>  >
>  > I believe Sherif is going to kill some one here if you continue this
>  > discussion. Don't say I haven't warned you ;)
>
>  I just decided to step aside and let you guys discus and reach a
>  conculsion :)
>
>  Deskoy , why Linux Egypt logo in English ? ;-)
>  
Do you notice the BIG Arabic letter ??
;-)
After all, we write it in Arabic as لينكس-مصر

As a side note, Maha, I can't read your Arabic words.

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[maha helwa]

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>  On Friday 19 November 2004 7:47 pm, Sherif Abdelgwad wrote:
>  > On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 11:29, Munzir Taha wrote:
>  > > On Yaum al-Jumma 06 Shawwal 1425 14:52, maha helwa wrote:
>  > > > BTW, i found this in initscript:
>  > > > "Reloading cron daemon configuration: "
>  > > > "تجري
> إعادة
>  > > > تحميل
>  إعداد
>  > > >
> العفريت
>  > > > كرون (cron): "
>  > >
>  > > I believe Sherif is going to kill some one here if you continue this
>  > > discussion. Don't say I haven't warned you ;)
>  >
>  > I just decided to step aside and let you guys discus and reach a
>  > conculsion :)
>  >
>  > Deskoy , why Linux Egypt logo in English ? ;-)
>  >
>  Do you notice the BIG Arabic letter ??
>  ;-)
>  After all, we write it in Arabic as لينكس-مصر
>  
>  As a side note, Maha, I can't read your Arabic words.
>  
>  - -- 
>  Mohamed Eldesoky 
تجري
إعادة
تحميل
إعداد
العفريت
كرون (cron): 

Keda awdah!!
tayeb ay awddah.. elli fel ahmar walla elli fel akhdar
tehb nezawed walla en2alel..:))

i sent the email from IE.. it's encoding issue i guess.
 

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[Sherif Abdelgawad]

>  
>  Keda awdah!!
>  tayeb ay awddah.. elli fel ahmar walla elli fel akhdar
>  tehb nezawed walla en2alel..:))
>  
>  i sent the email from IE.. it's encoding issue i guess. 
I cannot read your arabic either.

Sherif

[maha helwa]

>  > 
>  > Keda awdah!!
>  > tayeb ay awddah.. elli fel ahmar walla elli fel akhdar
>  > tehb nezawed walla en2alel..:))
>  > 
>  > i sent the email from IE.. it's encoding issue i guess.
>  
>  I cannot read your arabic either.
>  
>  Sherif
>   
mmm.. no arabic encoding did works.. i don't know why... could it be the gmx
mail itself?!

How can you include arabic in your emails?!

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[Mohamed Eldesoky]

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On Tuesday 23 November 2004 12:59 am, maha helwa wrote:
>  > > Keda awdah!!
>  > > tayeb ay awddah.. elli fel ahmar walla elli fel akhdar
>  > > tehb nezawed walla en2alel..:))
>  > >
>  > > i sent the email from IE.. it's encoding issue i guess.
>  >
>  > I cannot read your arabic either.
>  >
>  > Sherif
>
>  mmm.. no arabic encoding did works.. i don't know why... could it be the
>  gmx mail itself?!
>
>  How can you include arabic in your emails?! 
We type using the keyboard :-)

Seriously, can't you just send emails using outlook for example, using the 
SMTP of your ISP ???

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[maha helwa]

>  On Yaum al-Jumma 06 Shawwal 1425 14:52, maha helwa wrote:
>  
>  > BTW, i found this in initscript:
>  > "Reloading cron daemon configuration: "
>  > "تجري
> إعادة
>  > تحميل
> إعداد
>  > العفريت
>  > كرون (cron): "
>  
>  I believe Sherif is going to kill some one here if you continue this 
>  discussion. Don't say I haven't warned you ;)
>  
>  -- 
>  Munzir Taha   

Excuse me.. Didn't get your point? 

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[Munzir Taha]

On Yaum al-Jumma 06 Shawwal 1425 21:39, maha helwa wrote:
>  > On Yaum al-Jumma 06 Shawwal 1425 14:52, maha helwa wrote:
>  > > BTW, i found this in initscript:
>  > > "Reloading cron daemon configuration: "
>  > > "تجري
> إعادة
>  > > تحميل
> إعداد
>  > > العفريت
>  > > كرون (cron): "
>  >
>  > I believe Sherif is going to kill some one here if you continue this
>  > discussion. Don't say I haven't warned you ;) 
>  Excuse me.. Didn't get your point? 
When Sherif knows that some one translated it as 3afreet, KULL AL3AFAREET 
BITNATTAT FI DIMAGU. ;)

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[Sherif Abdelgawad]

>  When Sherif knows that some one translated it as 3afreet, KULL AL3AFAREET
>  BITNATTAT FI DIMAGU. ;) 
loooooooooooooool Munzir ... Meen ely targem deeh as 3afreet ? LOL
Thanks Maha for catching it :)

Sherif

[Munzir Taha]

On Yaum al-Jumma 06 Shawwal 1425 11:59, Mohammad Ghoniem wrote:
>  Munzir Taha wrote:
>  >I believe our translation is more accurate, other opinions? 
>  I believe خادم may be more suitable for daemon, while خدمة may be
>  preferred for "service". You can think of it as خادم المصباح in the
>  story of علاء الدين, which corresponds to the primary meaning of daemon.
>  :-) 
There is a logical point in your discussion besides I have not definite answer 
of why KHIDMA not KHADIM or what's the difference between service and server. 
Thus, I will add my voice to yours and say that from now on Daemon is KHADIM. 
If no one objects, I am going to add it to our beloved glossary.

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[Mohammad Ghoniem]

Salâms,

Munzir Taha wrote:

> There is a logical point in your discussion besides I have not
> definite answer 
> of why KHIDMA not KHADIM or what's the difference between service and server. 
> Thus, I will add my voice to yours and say that from now on Daemon is KHADIM. 
> If no one objects, I am going to add it to our beloved glossary.
>  
Alright ! Now I have another predictible question : do we keep خادم as a 
translation for server ? For example, some dialogs in up2date require 
the user to enter the url of a server. 
http://www.c4arab.com/qamoos/index.php suggests مزود (muzawwid) for 
server. What do you think about that ?

daemon = خادم
service = خدمة
server = ??

I guess there are situations where the word "server" refers to the 
computer itself, which may run many services. Of course, in some 
situation, the same word refers to that piece of software that provides 
a given service. For instance, apache is a web server...

salâm

Mohammad

[Munzir Taha]

On Yaum al-Arbi'a 11 Shawwal 1425 12:10 pm, Mohammad Ghoniem wrote:
>  Salâms,
>
>  Munzir Taha wrote:
>  >There is a logical point in your discussion besides I have not definite
>  > answer of why KHIDMA not KHADIM or what's the difference between service
>  > and server. Thus, I will add my voice to yours and say that from now on
>  > Daemon is KHADIM. If no one objects, I am going to add it to our beloved
>  > glossary.
>
>  Alright ! Now I have another predictible question : do we keep خادم as a
>  translation for server ? For example, some dialogs in up2date require
>  the user to enter the url of a server.
>  http://www.c4arab.com/qamoos/index.php suggests مزود (muzawwid) for
>  server. What do you think about that ?
>
>  daemon = خادم
>  service = خدمة
>  server = ??
>
>  I guess there are situations where the word "server" refers to the
>  computer itself, which may run many services. Of course, in some
>  situation, the same word refers to that piece of software that provides
>  a given service. For instance, apache is a web server... 
Umm! So it's that any daemon is a server but not every server is a daemon.

I would suggest ملقّم to make a distinction and to conform with M$ translation 
which is not wrong here.

I want to hear from others before adding this to glossary.

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[Mohammad Ghoniem]

Munzir Taha wrote:

> On Yaum al-Arbi'a 11 Shawwal 1425 12:10 pm, Mohammad Ghoniem
> wrote:
>   
>
> >I guess there are situations where the word "server" refers to the
> >computer itself, which may run many services. Of course, in some
> >situation, the same word refers to that piece of software that provides
> >a given service. For instance, apache is a web server...
> >    
> >
>
> Umm! So it's that any daemon is a server but not every server is a daemon.
>   
>  
I guess so.

> I would suggest ملقّم to make a distinction and to conform with M$
> translation 
> which is not wrong here.
>   
>  
It sounds pretty much like مزود. If I were to suggest another 
alternative I would even say موزع. But again, I am not familiar with the 
standards adopted by Arabic software editors. Any clues ?

> I want to hear from others before adding this to glossary.
>  
Yeah, me too.

Salâm

Mohammad

[Munzir Taha]

On Yaum al-Khamees 12 Shawwal 1425 7:00 pm, Mohammad Ghoniem wrote:
>  Munzir Taha wrote:
>  >I would suggest ملقّم to make a distinction and to conform with M$
>  > translation which is not wrong here.
>
>  It sounds pretty much like مزود. 
Supplier?


>  alternative I would even say موزع. 
Distributor?

>  standards adopted by Arabic software editors. Any clues ? 
AFAIK, the two most famous translations adopted are خادم  and ملقّم.


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