[EMAIL FROM ZACK:] Re: cloud Digest, Vol 86, Issue 3

[Zack Cylinder]

I can't make it ot the meeting today Sorry!

Zack Cylinder
Cloudbakers
Cloud Training Specialist

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 8:28 AM, <cloud-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
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>     1. Re: tunir tests: what's this useradd-not-found failure?
>        (Trishna Guha)
>     2. Re: fedora/25-cloud-base on atlas (Thomas Mueller)
>     3. [atomic-wg] Issue #173 `Fedora Cloud Base Vagrant Boxes Don't Allow
>  Vagrant User To su To Other Users`
>        (Dusty Mabe)
>     4. [atomic-wg] Issue #173 `Fedora Cloud Base Vagrant Boxes Don't Allow
>  Vagrant User To su To Other Users`
>        (Trishna Guha)
>     5. Re: fedora/25-cloud-base on atlas (Matthew Miller)
>     6. Re: fedora/25-cloud-base on atlas (Thomas Mueller)
>     7. Re: fedora/25-cloud-base on atlas (Dusty Mabe)
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>  Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 10:54:11 +0530
>  From: Trishna Guha <trishnaguha17(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  Subject: Re: tunir tests: what's this useradd-not-found failure?
>  To: Fedora Cloud SIG <cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;,   Matthew Miller
>          <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
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>  On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:23 PM, Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  wrote:
>  > I'm looking at https://apps.fedoraproject.org/autocloud/jobs/740, where
>  > there is a failure in the Fedora Cloud Base vagrant-libvirt image (yet
>  > vagrant-virtualbox and others are fine).
>  >
>  > The specific failure (with whitespace removed) from
>  > https://apps.fedoraproject.org/autocloud/jobs/1984/output is:
>  >
>  >   command: ## sudo python3 -m unittest
>  >   tunirtests.nongatingtests.TunirNonGatingtestaudit -v
>  >   status: False
>  >   test_audit (tunirtests.nongatingtests.TunirNonGatingtestaudit)
>  >   Tests audit ... FAIL
>  >   ======================================================================
>  >   FAIL: test_audit (tunirtests.nongatingtests.TunirNonGatingtestaudit)
>  >   Tests audit
>  >   ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  >   Traceback (most recent call last):
>  >   File "/home/vagrant/tunirtests/nongatingtests.py", line 265, in
>  test_audit
>  >   self.assertIn('useradd', f)
>  >   AssertionError: 'useradd' not found in ''
>  >   ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  >   Ran 1 test in 0.140s
>  >   FAILED (failures=1)
>  >
>  > How is it that useradd is not found in this image but everything else
>  > works and other images are fine?
>  >
>
>  Interestingly this test passes for me:
>
>  [vagrant@localhost ~]$ sudo python3 -m unittest
>  tunirtests.nongatingtests.TunirNonGatingtestaudit -v
>  test_audit (tunirtests.nongatingtests.TunirNonGatingtestaudit)
>  Tests audit ... ok
>
>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Ran 1 test in 0.280s
>
>  OK
>
>  Also I have tested the commands and checked the audit log *manually*
>  which looks fine to me (Nothing missing in there).
>  Not sure why it failed on autocloud.
>
>
>  --
>  Regards,
>  Trishna Guha
>
>  trishnaguha17(a)gmail.com
>  trishnag.wordpress.com
>
>  ------------------------------
>
>  Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 09:43:47 +0100
>  From: Thomas Mueller <thomas(a)chaschperli.ch&gt;
>  Subject: Re: fedora/25-cloud-base on atlas
>  To: Fedora Cloud SIG <cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Message-ID: <ab815037-c074-9064-f611-3c9511c98ca1(a)chaschperli.ch&gt;
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>
>  Hi Dusty
>
>  Am 31.01.2017 um 19:05 schrieb Dusty Mabe
>
>  > On 01/30/2017 04:00 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote:
>  >> Hi
>  >>
>  >> Wasn't the fedora/25-cloud-base updated too?
>  >>
>  >> https://atlas.hashicorp.com/fedora/boxes/25-cloud-base lists v20161122
>  >> (last release 2 months ago).
>  > Hi Thomas,
>  >
>  > Unfortunately we only officially "release" the Atomic images every two
>  > weeks. We'd like to release the cloud base image more often but don't
>  > currently have enough resources to QA them and produce them more
>  > regularly.
>  >
>  > Note: We do regularly build the cloud images as part of the 2 week atomic
>  > process, but we don't officially "release" them.
>
>  what is the work to be done to QA the release?
>
>  we use the fedora vagrant boxes to run acceptance tests for e.g. the
>  selinux module (https://github.com/voxpupuli/puppet-selinux).
>
>  Also download numbers on atlas indicate more interest for cloud-base
>  than atomic for vagrant.
>
>
>  - Thomas
>
>  ------------------------------
>
>  Date: Fri,  3 Feb 2017 13:31:13 +0000 (UTC)
>  From: Dusty Mabe <pagure(a)pagure.io&gt;
>  Subject: [atomic-wg] Issue #173 `Fedora Cloud Base Vagrant Boxes Don't
>          Allow Vagrant User To su To Other Users`
>  To: cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  Message-ID:
>          <atomic-wg-ticket-9ec1ed8774ce461b8dc074191ddc10d9-71820@pagure>
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>
>  dustymabe added a new comment to an issue you are following:
>  ``
>  trishnag, currently still the same - it won't matter if we fix it now
>  because we have not been releasing cloud base images so even if we fix it
>  it would not get released for the cloud base image until f26. That is
>  unless we decide to release a newer version of the cloud base image
>
>  ``
>
>  To reply, visit the link below or just reply to this email
>  https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/173
>
>  ------------------------------
>
>  Date: Fri,  3 Feb 2017 13:33:16 +0000 (UTC)
>  From: Trishna Guha <pagure(a)pagure.io&gt;
>  Subject: [atomic-wg] Issue #173 `Fedora Cloud Base Vagrant Boxes Don't
>          Allow Vagrant User To su To Other Users`
>  To: cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  Message-ID:
>          <atomic-wg-ticket-9ec1ed8774ce461b8dc074191ddc10d9-71821@pagure>
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>
>  trishnag added a new comment to an issue you are following:
>  ``
>  @dustymabe ACK! I have the PR ready for the test
>  https://github.com/kushaldas/tunirtests/pull/58
>  ``
>
>  To reply, visit the link below or just reply to this email
>  https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/173
>
>  ------------------------------
>
>  Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 08:41:46 -0500
>  From: Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Subject: Re: fedora/25-cloud-base on atlas
>  To: Fedora Cloud SIG <cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Message-ID: <20170203134146.GA5101(a)mattdm.org&gt;
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>  On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 09:43:47AM +0100, Thomas Mueller wrote:
>  > Also download numbers on atlas indicate more interest for cloud-base
>  > than atomic for vagrant.
>
>  Part of that might be self-reenforcing, as there haven't been enough
>  downloads of Atomic yet to bump it to the front page when you search
>  for "Fedora".
>
>  Is there any way to get download numbers over time? That would be very
>  interesting.
>
>  --
>  Matthew Miller
>  <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Fedora Project Leader
>
>  ------------------------------
>
>  Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 15:19:47 +0100
>  From: Thomas Mueller <thomas(a)chaschperli.ch&gt;
>  Subject: Re: fedora/25-cloud-base on atlas
>  To: Fedora Cloud SIG <cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt;
>  Message-ID: <0163a162-81fe-4fc2-08c3-ea128a9904b8(a)chaschperli.ch&gt;
>  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>
>
>  Am 03.02.2017 um 14:41 schrieb Matthew Miller:
>  > On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 09:43:47AM +0100, Thomas Mueller wrote:
>  >> Also download numbers on atlas indicate more interest for cloud-base
>  >> than atomic for vagrant.
>  > Part of that might be self-reenforcing, as there haven't been enough
>  > downloads of Atomic yet to bump it to the front page when you search
>  > for "Fedora".
>  Google Search: Fedora Atomic
>
>  * (1st hit: www.projectatomic.io/)
>  * 2nd hit: https://getfedora.org/en/atomic/
>  * click: download now
>  * click: vagrant downloads
>  * click: View downloads using vagrant tools
>
>  Google Search: Fedora Cloud
>  * (first hit: fedora atomic (https://getfedora.org/en/atomic/))
>  * 2nd hit: https://getfedora.org/de/cloud/download (redirect to
>  https://alt.fedoraproject.org/de/cloud/)
>  * no information about howto use with vagrant directly, only possiblity
>  to download or "Want try Atomic" link at the bottom.
>
>  Google Search: Fedora
>  * Fedora Atomic "sub-link" (category link? don't know how they are
>  called) on first hit
>  * no Fedora Cloud on first page
>
>
>  IMHO:
>  * Even search for Fedora Cloud brings Atomic on top
>  * better information about Atomic then for cloud base (for vagrant use
>  case)
>
>  Conclusion: i don't think downloads for cloud base are better because of
>  people searching find it better.
>
>  >
>  > Is there any way to get download numbers over time? That would be very
>  > interesting.
>
>  I think the future is containers. but right now most people are still
>  not ready to start full containerization. Another question is if people
>  are using vagrant with Atomic. I use it to run tests. if possible i run
>  tests in docker because of lower overhead - I would not use vagrant to
>  start an Atomic vm to run a container in it I think.
>
>  - Thomas
>
>  ------------------------------
>
>  Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 09:27:42 -0500
>  From: Dusty Mabe <dusty(a)dustymabe.com&gt;
>  Subject: Re: fedora/25-cloud-base on atlas
>  To: cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  Message-ID: <8283ce62-a468-e2c7-2fd7-46424dbb587f(a)dustymabe.com&gt;
>  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>
>
>  On 02/03/2017 09:19 AM, Thomas Mueller wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  > Am 03.02.2017 um 14:41 schrieb Matthew Miller:
>  >> On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 09:43:47AM +0100, Thomas Mueller wrote:
>  >>> Also download numbers on atlas indicate more interest for cloud-base
>  >>> than atomic for vagrant.
>  >> Part of that might be self-reenforcing, as there haven't been enough
>  >> downloads of Atomic yet to bump it to the front page when you search
>  >> for "Fedora".
>  > Google Search: Fedora Atomic
>  >
>  > * (1st hit: www.projectatomic.io/)
>  > * 2nd hit: https://getfedora.org/en/atomic/
>  > * click: download now
>  > * click: vagrant downloads
>  > * click: View downloads using vagrant tools
>  >
>  > Google Search: Fedora Cloud
>  > * (first hit: fedora atomic (https://getfedora.org/en/atomic/))
>  > * 2nd hit: https://getfedora.org/de/cloud/download (redirect to
>  > https://alt.fedoraproject.org/de/cloud/)
>  > * no information about howto use with vagrant directly, only possiblity
>  > to download or "Want try Atomic" link at the bottom.
>  >
>  > Google Search: Fedora
>  > * Fedora Atomic "sub-link" (category link? don't know how they are
>  > called) on first hit
>  > * no Fedora Cloud on first page
>  >
>  >
>  > IMHO:
>  > * Even search for Fedora Cloud brings Atomic on top
>  > * better information about Atomic then for cloud base (for vagrant use
>  case)
>  >
>  > Conclusion: i don't think downloads for cloud base are better because of
>  > people searching find it better.
>  >
>
>  I think what he was alluding to is that if you search for fedora on
>  Atlas [1] then you don't see atomic, which means that the cloud base
>  images could be getting selected because people don't know they are
>  there. This is because they are sorted by # of downloads, which is
>  fine.
>
>  [1] https://atlas.hashicorp.com/boxes/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&
>  sort=&provider=&q=fedora
>
>  >>
>  >> Is there any way to get download numbers over time? That would be very
>  >> interesting.
>  >
>  > I think the future is containers. but right now most people are still
>  > not ready to start full containerization. Another question is if people
>  > are using vagrant with Atomic. I use it to run tests. if possible i run
>  > tests in docker because of lower overhead - I would not use vagrant to
>  > start an Atomic vm to run a container in it I think.
>  >
>
>  I agree with you that running Atomic in Vagrant can be considered less
>  useful to some people than running a mutable OS in Vagrant. At least
>  for me, part of the reason to run something in Vagrant is because you
>  want to do something (install rpms, hack up storage, test something) that
>  you don't want to do on your host. If you aren't running containers
>  Atomic would not be interesting to you in a Vagrant box at this point.
>
>  Dusty
>
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