Vagrant in Fedora
by Alex Drahon
Hi all,
I wanted to give an update on the status of Vagrant in Fedora 20, I just realised it's my first post to the list so I'll take this opportunity to introduce myself. I'm Alex, I work at Red Hat as a Solution Architect (ie. nothing engineering related), I wrote the vagrant-kvm plugin on my spare time to make it work on my Fedora laptop, though there's now a (much more qualified) second maintainer who is also providing support for Ubuntu through a PPA. Matthew asked me if I wanted to work on packaging Vagrant and the KVM plugin for Fedora 20, and I foolishly accepted ;)
It's quite exhilarating having the opportunity to contribute to Fedora, and at the same time I feel totally lost. I don't mean this as a criticism, it's just this "first week at school" feeling, it will take me some time to get an idea of how things work. That said, here's the Vagrant situation:
1. I have a vagrant RPM that installs and works as expected, there's some minimal patching involved which has to do with the fact that Vagrant expect to be running in it's own Ruby 1.9.3 environment in /opt
2. There was also some patching involved to make the plugin system work, although I haven't tested plugins extensively (some stuff breaks like rubygems loading path) and providing common plugins as RPMs looks like the better way in Fedora.
3. I had to build my own rubygems-childprocess (current Fedora package is very old) and rubygems-log4r (not provided in Fedora) RPMs, but I don't know how I should submit them (package review ticket?). There's a existing ticket for log4r https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=905240 , I added it as a dependency to the Vagrant ticket.
4. I've packaged vagrant-kvm as a RPM and it installs, but I'm running into serious issues with Policykit. I don't think I'll be able to solve that without help, I'm not even sure what's the right way to do it.
So, as a summary:
- yum install vagrant should work, at which point you need to install VirtualBox and it will run as expected
- vagrant-kvm installs but I don't know how to add the right polkit rules (I need help)
Looks pretty good, right?
Alex
9 years, 10 months
PRD Hackfest on 8 January 2014
by Joe Brockmeier
Hi all,
Per the discussion during today's IRC meeting, we have a lot of work
left to do on the PRD and not tons of time to finish it in. Rather than
asking folks to spend holiday time slogging through it, it'd probably be
beneficial to try to organize a "hackfest" to do this together and just
get it done.
Due date for the PRD is ~ 13 January 2014, so let's meet before that.
I'm proposing 8 January 2014 - that's a Wednesday.
My suggestion is to start at 14:00 UTC and run through our meeting time,
ending at 18:00 UTC. That should be enough time to wrap things up, or at
least put us in a position where it only needs a bit of polish before
submitting the PRD.
Will also ping the server group to see if they want to run a concurrent
hackfest - that way, if we have any questions or need to collaborate
between groups, we'll all be available around the same time.
Thoughts, comments, flames?
Best,
jzb
--
Joe Brockmeier | Principal Cloud & Storage Analyst
jzb(a)redhat.com | http://community.redhat.com/
Twitter: @jzb | http://dissociatedpress.net/
9 years, 11 months
unavailable F20 amis
by milanisko k
Hey guys,
following AMIs can't be instantiated --- AWS error message says that these
either have been deleted or I've got no access (but US East 1 amis works
for me):
Singapore ami-92cd99c0 ami-bccd99ee
Sydney ami-eb4cd3d1 ami-374bd40d
Tokyo ami-8fd0b38e ami-7dd7b47c
Ireland ami-c00fe6b7 ami-3401e843
Sao Paulo ami-056ecf18 ami-6f6ecf72
Northern California ami-54e3d311 ami-68e3d32d
Oregon ami-ea7612da ami-56771366
Seems they're not "public enough"...
Btw I'm pressing the "Launch It!" button on the fedora cloud
page<http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora#clouds>
--
milan
9 years, 11 months
No meeting for the next two weeks
by Sam Kottler
I mentioned it at the end of the meeting today, but there won't be a meeting next week because it's Christmas or the following week because it's New Years.
Get some rest and see you in 2014!
-Sam
9 years, 11 months
Minutes from today's (12/18/2013) cloud WG meeting
by Sam Kottler
Thanks everyone who was able to make it to the meeting today! For those who weren't able to make it, here are few important links:
Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-12-18/fedora-meeti...
Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-12-18/fedora-meeti...
Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-12-18/fedora-meeti...
Log (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-12-18/fedora-meeti...
Here's a summary of the meeting (link to the HTML and text versions above):
==========================================
#fedora-meeting-1: cloud WG weekly meeting
==========================================
Meeting started by samkottler at 17:01:13 UTC. The full logs are
available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-12-18/fedora-meeti...
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* rollcall (samkottler, 17:02:08)
* next steps for the PRD (samkottler, 17:05:26)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud_PRD for those who don't
have the link (samkottler, 17:06:19)
* AGREED: Cloud PRD hackfest on the beginning of the year
(tentatively, Wednesday Jan, 8) (number80, 17:27:42)
* ACTION: jzb send a email to cloud list to finalize Hackfest details
(jzb, 17:28:08)
* LINK:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server/Product_Requirements_Document
(samkottler, 17:31:43)
* open floor (samkottler, 17:40:05)
Meeting ended at 17:49:49 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* jzb send a email to cloud list to finalize Hackfest details
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* jzb
* jzb send a email to cloud list to finalize Hackfest details
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* samkottler (55)
* jzb (36)
* number80 (30)
* sgallagh (11)
* mattdm (5)
* zodbot (5)
* geppetto (1)
* rbergeron (0)
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17:01:13 <samkottler> #startmeeting cloud WG weekly meeting
17:01:13 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Dec 18 17:01:13 2013 UTC. The chair is samkottler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
17:01:13 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
17:01:29 <number80> just in time :o)
17:01:56 <samkottler> #chair number80 geppetto rbergeron jzb
17:01:56 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto jzb number80 rbergeron samkottler
17:02:08 <samkottler> #topic rollcall
17:02:22 * samkottler waves
17:02:39 * jzb says howdy
17:02:42 * sgallagh lurks. Ping me directly if you want to discuss interaction with Server.
17:03:12 <samkottler> sgallagh: if you've got more stuff that you'd like us to solidify today we can talk about it during the open floor
17:03:31 * geppetto is here
17:03:45 <sgallagh> samkottler: Nothing in particular. I'm just idling in here so if questions come up, I can answer them.
17:03:57 <samkottler> sgallagh: okay perfect, thanks!
17:05:26 <samkottler> #topic next steps for the PRD
17:05:51 <samkottler> I think we should spend the majority of the meeting working on PRD structure
17:05:57 <number80> +1
17:06:19 <samkottler> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cloud_PRD for those who don't have the link
17:07:38 <samkottler> so I think it makes sense to split out the bottom into two sections
17:07:43 <samkottler> which we talked a bit about last week
17:07:49 <samkottler> but it'd be good to finalize that
17:08:21 <samkottler> I was gonna move maintainability, support requirements, security, and release criteria to their own sections
17:08:23 <samkottler> #chair mattdm
17:08:23 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto jzb mattdm number80 rbergeron samkottler
17:08:25 <mattdm> hi all sorry -- I am stuck in a (still ongoing) IRL meeting
17:08:52 <samkottler> mattdm: NP, we're just talking about the PRD
17:08:54 <mattdm> and people are asking questions and talking to me and stuff so I can't just ignore that :) please ping me if needed
17:09:09 <jzb> samkottler: +1 to move
17:11:11 <number80> +1 for moving stuff
17:12:42 <number80> btw, are we bypassing the quorum since today we're currently 3 (+ one stuck at a IRL meeting)
17:12:46 <number80> ?
17:12:58 <samkottler> number80: yeah, I don't think we have anything that really needs voting luckily
17:13:04 <number80> ok
17:14:41 <samkottler> alright so I split things out into "general" and "technical" requirements
17:14:55 <samkottler> I'll clean up that section in not-real-time
17:16:41 <samkottler> number80: jzb: one other thing I wanted to touch base on was how specific stuff like image building should be in the document
17:17:01 <samkottler> I kinda think it should say 'we provide tools and processes for rebuilds' without actually providing more details
17:17:07 <number80> +1
17:17:21 <number80> implementation details are not to be in the PRD
17:17:30 <jzb> samkottler: yeah, I think we should point to a page on the wiki for that.
17:17:41 <jzb> samkottler: but basically, that's going to be a changeable thing
17:17:45 <samkottler> agreed
17:17:57 <samkottler> it's just a matter of whether or not that page will exist before we submit the PRD
17:18:17 <number80> +1 for the url (even if it says at the moment, that this is a work in progress)
17:19:49 <jzb> samkottler: a stub should be OK, I think
17:19:56 <jzb> samkottler: though I'd add that to release criteria
17:20:29 <samkottler> those are the major things I've got around the PRD
17:20:35 <samkottler> there's a lot more work to be done
17:21:18 <jzb> samkottler: what's the for-real deadline again?
17:21:52 <samkottler> jzb: I believe it's jan 15th? sgallagh ^^
17:22:15 * sgallagh double-checks, but that sounds right
17:23:15 <sgallagh> samkottler: 2014-01-13
17:23:37 <samkottler> sgallagh: thanks
17:23:48 <number80> from december, 24 to january,2 i don't expect any work done on the PRD so we should finish it at the beginning of next week
17:23:50 <samkottler> jzb: I'm planning on working on it a bunch next week
17:24:06 <jzb> samkottler: ... over the holiday?
17:24:17 <samkottler> jzb: yeah, post-xmas I'll be working on stuff
17:24:51 <jzb> samkottler: Hmmm. I will see what I can chip in on, but I don't want to make any promises about working over the break
17:25:24 <samkottler> no pressure, of course
17:25:33 <jzb> samkottler: I suggest we maybe look at scheduling a PRD hackfest beginning of the year
17:25:34 <samkottler> I just haven't done enough on the PRD yet so I'm gonna work a day or so on it
17:25:38 <mattdm> +1 hackfest
17:25:41 <number80> i'll try advancing on personas and proof-reading stuff
17:25:45 <samkottler> +1 let's do it
17:25:53 <number80> +1 hackfest
17:25:58 <samkottler> jzb: wanna send an email to set the date?
17:26:21 <jzb> samkottler: yep. Tentatively, the Wednesday (Jan 8) sound good?
17:26:31 <samkottler> WFM
17:26:40 <jzb> (everybody? mattdm, number80?) ^^
17:26:42 <number80> #agreed Cloud PRD hackfest on the beginning of the year (tentatively, Wednesdat Jan, 8)
17:26:44 <samkottler> timezones will surely be a joy
17:26:53 <number80> +1 for Jan, 8 btw
17:26:55 <mattdm> wfm
17:27:02 <jzb> indeed
17:27:35 <number80> #undo
17:27:35 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Agreed object at 0x40e8290>
17:27:42 <number80> #agreed Cloud PRD hackfest on the beginning of the year (tentatively, Wednesday Jan, 8)
17:28:08 <jzb> #action jzb send a email to cloud list to finalize Hackfest details
17:28:44 <jzb> sgallagh: how goes the server wg PRD?
17:29:23 <sgallagh> jzb: I think we finally finished defining our users yesterday.
17:29:46 <sgallagh> What remains is approving our target use-cases and the criteria for a server role being promoted to "featured" status.
17:29:57 <sgallagh> So we're probably going to cut the delivery date close.
17:31:27 <number80> sgallagh: a link ?
17:31:43 <samkottler> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server/Product_Requirements_Document
17:31:50 <number80> thank you
17:31:57 <jzb> sgallagh: we're going to do a hackfest for ours on (probably) the 8th
17:31:58 <sgallagh> number80: https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Server/Product_Requirements_D...
17:32:12 <jzb> sgallagh: might make sense to join forces or do something similar at the same time?
17:32:21 <sgallagh> jzb: Probably a good idea.
17:32:24 <jzb> so if we have cross-wg questions we could address them
17:32:43 <jzb> sgallagh: I'll shoot a note to the server list too
17:32:58 <sgallagh> number80: Not a lot there yet. It's just a first pass.
17:33:17 <number80> yeah, but it's worth to take a peek :)
17:33:21 * sgallagh nods
17:35:31 <number80> anything else ?
17:36:08 <samkottler> that's all I've got
17:36:20 <number80> ok
17:36:44 <number80> maybe we could move to the open floor ?
17:36:50 <samkottler> what's the name of that open-souce video/note conferencing tool that fedora infra runs?
17:36:58 <samkottler> it'd be cool to get that working for the hackfest
17:38:06 <number80> If there's one, it's not listed there: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/
17:38:06 <jzb> samkottler: we have a video/note tool?
17:39:11 <samkottler> I forget what it's call, but we used it for the infrastructure hackathon
17:40:01 <samkottler> anyways...
17:40:05 <samkottler> #topic open floor
17:40:36 <number80> are there any WG members at the FOSDEM in Brussels ?
17:40:44 <jzb> number80: I'm going
17:40:47 * samkottler will be
17:41:01 <samkottler> mattdm: you going to fosdem?
17:41:02 <number80> maybe we should schedule an IRL meeting (i'm going too)
17:41:12 <jzb> oh, that reminds me
17:41:15 <jzb> so, the week before that
17:41:24 <jzb> there's Monkigras in London
17:41:37 <jzb> and the day before that, we're pulling together a "Cloud Summit"
17:41:44 <mattdm> samkottler yes I am
17:41:54 <number80> samkottler: nirik is suggesting that you're talking about http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Gobby
17:42:05 <number80> \o/
17:42:08 <samkottler> number80: yep, that's it
17:42:38 <number80> ok, i was confused by the video part but +1 for using it
17:42:41 * samkottler is going to be in paris/london/germany from tomorrow until Jan 30
17:42:43 <samkottler> and then on to fosdem
17:43:42 <jzb> samkottler: you should grab a ticket for Monkigras and plan on being at the cloud summit
17:44:29 <number80> ok, since we might have half of the WG (Robyn might come too), i really insist on having a IRL meeting :)
17:44:32 <samkottler> oh it's in shoreditch, that's easy
17:45:02 <number80> maybe it's worth inviting other WG for an inter-WG session too
17:45:10 <jzb> samkottler: http://monkigras.com/buy/
17:45:35 <samkottler> jzb: done
17:45:50 <jzb> samkottler: the beer is excellent
17:45:52 <samkottler> anyone got other stuff?
17:46:07 <jzb> samkottler: just a suggestion
17:46:20 <samkottler> number80: yeah that sounds good - there'll be lots of folks there so I imagine we'll have pretty good coverage from each WG
17:46:33 <jzb> samkottler: with F20 out, it'd be great to see some Howtos using cloud images.
17:46:53 <jzb> samkottler: I do have a project or two I'm going to try over the holiday that I hope to get a good writeup from.
17:47:13 <jzb> and I can probably get any features/howtos published on Linux.com if anyone wants to write one.
17:47:15 <jzb> (other than me)
17:47:22 <samkottler> jzb: what do you think about a blog post or two about docker w/ f20
17:47:32 <jzb> samkottler: that'd be excellent
17:47:49 <samkottler> cool, I'll try to hammer that out on my flight tomorrow
17:48:07 <jzb> woot
17:48:17 <jzb> that's all I've got, except to wish everyone a happy holiday
17:48:59 * samkottler hopes everyone gets some rest
17:49:14 <samkottler> oh also: no meeting next week
17:49:49 <samkottler> #endmeeting
9 years, 11 months
Fedora 20 RC1 AMIs
by Dennis Gilmore
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Hi all,
Final RC1 images have been uploaded to EC2 and are available at
ami-3b361952 : us-east-1 image for i386
ami-1337187a : us-east-1 image for x86_64
additionally if your looking to the AMI's they have been added to files
in the release tree
http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-RC1/Images/i386/Fedora-Image...
http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/20-RC1/Images/x86_64/Fedora-Ima...
when we get to final and the images are uploaded to all regions
they will all be listed and the file will be gpg signed in the final
tree
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9 years, 11 months
PRD use cases
by Matthew Miller
Right now, the example use case we have is "cloud image on AWS". This
suggests that we should have a parallel "cloud image on OpenStack" as
another primary target, but then as I went to fill that in, I thought...
maybe this is going about this wrong. I think this is a step or two too low
level. How about instead, we make the use case be
* Web Application Deployment in a Public Cloud
Modern web applications are deployed as a collection of interconnected
services, including parts like web servers, application servers,
databases, and caching layers. Fault tolerance is handled at the overall
orchestration level rather than by individual instances Fedora Cloud can
be the base of each of these parts, providing recent libraries, server
software, and language toolchains. Each system will be managed using the
public cloud's own management tools plus a configuration management system
like Puppet, Chef, or Ansible.
* Web Application Deployment in Hybrid Cloud
As above, but rather than a single cloud provider, the application
seamlessly takes advantage of resources in both a private and public
cloud.
* Separate use case for Private Cloud?
_______________ (Or combine into one of the above?)
* Non-web applications? Data crunching?
_______________
* Docker Container Host
Docker is a technology for running applications inside a protected
container. These containers run under the host kernel, but otherwise
are self-contained. The Fedora Cloud image running in either a private
or public cloud can provide the host level, including basic docker
management tools plus tools for security and for access to storage.
* Something with Vagrant?
___________
--
Matthew Miller -- Fedora Project Architect -- <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org>
9 years, 11 months
Minutes from today's (12/11/2013) cloud WG meeting
by Sam Kottler
Thanks everyone who was able to make it to the meeting today! For those who weren't able to make it, here are few important links:
Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-12-11/fedora-meeti...
Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-12-11/fedora-meeti...
Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-12-11/fedora-meeti...
Log (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-12-11/fedora-meeti...
Here's a summary of the meeting (link to the HTML and text versions above):
==========================================
#fedora-meeting-1: cloud WG weekly meeting
==========================================
Meeting started by samkottler at 17:01:14 UTC. The full logs are
available at
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-12-11/fedora-meeti...
.
Meeting summary
---------------
* rollcall (samkottler, 17:02:05)
* PRD (samkottler, 17:06:33)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server/Personas (samkottler,
17:09:01)
* ACTION: samkottler to start thread to desktop WG about desktop
virtualization (samkottler, 17:24:35)
* open floor (samkottler, 17:41:33)
Meeting ended at 17:43:02 UTC.
Action Items
------------
* samkottler to start thread to desktop WG about desktop virtualization
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* samkottler
* samkottler to start thread to desktop WG about desktop
virtualization
* **UNASSIGNED**
* (none)
People Present (lines said)
---------------------------
* samkottler (41)
* mattdm (40)
* jzb (29)
* frankieonuonga (19)
* sgallagh (5)
* rbergeron (5)
* zodbot (4)
* geppetto (2)
* number80 (0)
17:01:14 <samkottler> #startmeeting cloud WG weekly meeting
17:01:14 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Dec 11 17:01:14 2013 UTC. The chair is samkottler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
17:01:14 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
17:01:43 <samkottler> #chair mattdm rbergeron number80 jzb
17:01:43 <zodbot> Current chairs: jzb mattdm number80 rbergeron samkottler
17:02:05 <samkottler> #topic rollcall
17:02:20 * samkottler is here :-)
17:02:32 * jzb is here
17:02:49 * geppetto is here
17:03:13 <samkottler> #chair geppetto
17:03:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: geppetto jzb mattdm number80 rbergeron samkottler
17:04:17 <samkottler> looks like we don't have quorum this week?
17:04:44 <mattdm> Okay, so maybe just talk about PRD and not vote on anything?
17:04:58 <jzb> samkottler: how many do we need for quorum?
17:05:08 <samkottler> jzb: 5
17:05:08 <jzb> I could vote twice...
17:05:43 * rbergeron is here and is also trying to do something with someone in sweden simultaneously so i may be distractomundo
17:05:43 <jzb> mattdm: +1
17:06:02 <rbergeron> but if you scream i'll say I'M HERE I'M HERE , no free time for u today!
17:06:05 <geppetto> rbergeron: That probably sounds more awesome than it is :)
17:06:33 <samkottler> #topic PRD
17:06:40 <samkottler> sooo the PRD...
17:06:44 <mattdm> I started one PRD related thread on the mailing list, about use cases...
17:06:49 <mattdm> that seemed productive. :)
17:07:30 <mattdm> I think maybe that's the next approach -- to take some of the sections and talk about them in chunks like that on the list.
17:07:40 <samkottler> I think we should decide if we want specific use cases for each private & public cloud
17:07:40 <mattdm> since we can't get everyone together on irc very easily
17:07:47 <samkottler> I'm leaning pretty heavily toward "no"
17:08:01 <mattdm> samkottler right that was the specific thing :)
17:08:22 <jzb> mattdm: I tried that with the section I worked on...
17:08:28 <jzb> got a little feedback.
17:08:39 <jzb> still wondering what "major themes" should be, though.
17:09:00 <samkottler> the server WG put this together
17:09:01 <samkottler> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server/Personas
17:09:05 <mattdm> My thought there is that -- with the *possible* exception of market-dominating EC2 -- the actual cloud tech isn't actually the use case itself.
17:09:12 <samkottler> and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server/Use_Cases#Questions_.2F_Discussion_...
17:10:45 <samkottler> mattdm: yeah exactly
17:10:50 <mattdm> rbergeron -- hey what does major themese mean?
17:11:17 <samkottler> the use cases are 'what are the different reasons people care about fedora in the cloud space'
17:11:24 <samkottler> and who are the people
17:11:28 <mattdm> samkottler So I'm going to replace that section with something like what I posted to the list.
17:11:35 <samkottler> mattdm: +1
17:11:48 <mattdm> and we can work on refining it from there.
17:12:22 <mattdm> mrunge had a bunch of other ones....
17:12:25 <rbergeron> mattdm: think of it as groupings of major ... stories or features
17:12:28 <rbergeron> if that makes sense?
17:12:34 <rbergeron> feel free to ... do ... whatever
17:12:45 <mattdm> rbergeron ah, okay, yeah, that definitely makes sense.
17:13:58 <jzb> rbergeron: gotcha. OK
17:14:02 <mattdm> mrunge's use cases make me go back to an earlier thing I talked about -- cloud image as a cloud guest vs. other fedora products running in the cloud
17:14:47 <mattdm> for example, an old school mail server seems like it probably really fits best in the server wg even if it happens to be hosted in a cloud environment.
17:15:01 <samkottler> agreed
17:15:19 <mattdm> a mail server as part of some larger cloud application (the part that sends out notiications or subscriptions or something) might fit in
17:15:24 <samkottler> and when we talked with sgallagh there was rough agreement that we'd be responsible for the cloud specific stuff and they'd control the rest
17:15:37 <mattdm> I'll respond on the list with these thoughts.
17:15:46 <jzb> mattdm: +1
17:16:03 <jzb> mattdm: I don't really see many people running just a mail server in the cloud as a stand-alone
17:16:30 <mattdm> jzb especially since IP space for all public clouds is a spam blackhole.
17:16:33 <jzb> (though, a Fedora instance that can be fired up as a plug and play mail server might be a nice thing to have these days with the concerns about the NSA/Google, etc."
17:16:49 <jzb> (setting up a mail server is still way more difficult than it should be)
17:16:54 <jzb> mattdm: indeed.
17:17:05 <sgallagh> jzb: For the record, that's something we're exploring as a "role" for the Fedora Server
17:17:13 <jzb> sgallagh: explore faster! :-)
17:17:16 <mattdm> the cloud desktop use case is similar -- I think it's interesting, but also very, very different from the rest of our focus.
17:17:27 <jzb> sgallagh: it's one of my holiday projects
17:17:36 <sgallagh> jzb: Please collaborate with us, then!
17:17:52 <sgallagh> We're planning to focus on two or three roles at first.
17:17:58 <mattdm> I talked to someone at LISA who runs infrastructure for a medium/large law firm and they use fedora on the desktop in exactly this way
17:18:03 <jzb> sgallagh: I'll see what I can do.
17:18:07 <sgallagh> If we have someone willing to get their hands dirty for a mail server, that would go a long way
17:19:04 * sgallagh returns to lurking
17:19:54 <mattdm> But I think the hosted desktop use case is more something for the desktop WG -- or possibly a different SIG of its own
17:20:39 <frankieonuonga> hi folks...sorry i am late
17:21:10 <samkottler> mattdm: we should probably start a convo with the desktop WG about how to handle that
17:21:10 <jzb> mattdm: VDI gets into a lot of areas that it would make sense to have its own SIG, I think.
17:21:28 * mattdm nods
17:21:38 * samkottler agrees with jzb
17:22:01 <frankieonuonga> can someone please bring me up to speed
17:22:23 <mattdm> frankieonuonga we're talking about the PRD
17:22:37 <mattdm> right now, use cases -- just referring to the message I posted about that on the mailing list
17:23:01 <frankieonuonga> mattdm: thank you
17:24:03 <mattdm> Is there another area we should start a mailing list thread about?
17:24:35 <samkottler> #action samkottler to start thread to desktop WG about desktop virtualization
17:24:52 <jzb> mattdm: who's on the detailed requirements section?
17:25:07 <jzb> or are we holding that for use cases?
17:25:14 <mattdm> i think we need to get the use cases nailed down
17:25:17 <jzb> K
17:26:39 <mattdm> and crickets :)
17:27:07 <samkottler> do we want to go over the product branding doc again?
17:27:17 <frankieonuonga> just a sec before we go there
17:27:49 <frankieonuonga> i posted something on that doc and I think it is not that good..but i need to know if it is in the right dirction
17:28:10 <frankieonuonga> can someone please just have a quick look at apache cloudstack section
17:28:39 * mattdm looks
17:28:48 <samkottler> I think we'll ultimately end up removing those individual sections
17:29:23 <frankieonuonga> i agree with samkottler because that section is all IAAS. that should all be the same.
17:29:23 <mattdm> I don't think it hurts to have a "target environments" section, just not under use cases
17:29:35 <frankieonuonga> independent of the interfacing software
17:30:39 <mattdm> does anyone feel inspired to start filling out the second half of the document?
17:31:12 <samkottler> I can take the Logging and Configuration management sections
17:31:29 <mattdm> also the release cycle / updates things we talked about previously should go in here somewhere.
17:31:51 <frankieonuonga> release cycles is something i can work on
17:32:01 <mattdm> cool thanks
17:32:01 <frankieonuonga> considering i volunteered to help dgilmore with that
17:32:06 <mattdm> yeah :)
17:32:19 <jzb> mattdm: I can take support requirements
17:32:48 <samkottler> some of these are a little meta (i.e. releases) and others feel more technical
17:32:53 <samkottler> should we split them into two sections?
17:33:02 <mattdm> samkottler yes good suggestion.
17:33:06 <jzb> for "release criteria" are we adopting standard Fedora release criteria?
17:33:18 <jzb> is there anything really original we need to consider there?
17:33:41 <mattdm> jzb I think that section should be general and point to something about how we will define/enhance/implement updated cloud criteria
17:33:54 <mattdm> we don't want the actual release criteria in this document
17:34:38 <jzb> K
17:36:35 <samkottler> okay seems like there are people who are going to be working on the majority of the sections
17:36:48 <samkottler> I'll have a bunch of time over the weekend to work on it
17:37:19 <mattdm> awesome. I think "generally jump in and work on anything" applies. Even adding a sentence to some blank section helps.
17:38:10 <frankieonuonga> isnt the deadline 15th
17:38:26 <mattdm> yeah we are not going to make that deadline :)
17:38:32 <frankieonuonga> or when are we suppose to be done..cause if we do not meet his we need to get guys to hack away on this
17:38:38 <samkottler> frankieonuonga: the deadline is one that we set for ourselves
17:38:50 <mattdm> We are supposed to be done in january. But it seemed like it would be good to have a draft by next week.
17:38:53 <frankieonuonga> oh yeah...that is the one i suggested
17:38:55 <frankieonuonga> ha ha
17:38:57 <mattdm> because of the holidays
17:38:57 <frankieonuonga> how can i forget
17:39:03 <mattdm> It was not a bad plan :)
17:39:06 <frankieonuonga> thank you guys
17:39:22 <frankieonuonga> yeah i recall now mattdm and sam
17:39:28 <frankieonuonga> thank you for implementing this
17:39:43 <samkottler> I don't have anything else to bring up today unless folks want to go over the production branding
17:39:46 <samkottler> product**
17:40:09 <jzb> samkottler: you're referring to the ticket responding to Mo's query?
17:40:15 <samkottler> jzb: yep
17:40:18 <frankieonuonga> i would like to go through that and hear what guys have to say
17:40:25 <jzb> samkottler: er, that was due last week
17:40:34 <samkottler> ah right
17:40:35 <jzb> samkottler: I took the feedback we had and sent it on last week
17:40:36 * samkottler remembers now
17:40:42 <samkottler> jzb+++++
17:41:08 <jzb> I haven't gotten an ACK yet, but I'm assuming it's received...
17:41:33 <samkottler> #topic open floor
17:41:42 <samkottler> anyone got anything else to bring up before we call it quits for the day?
17:42:47 <jzb> nope
17:42:50 * samkottler takes that as a no
17:43:02 <samkottler> #endmeeting
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