fedora/25-cloud-base on atlas

[Thomas Mueller]

Hi

Wasn't the fedora/25-cloud-base updated too?

https://atlas.hashicorp.com/fedora/boxes/25-cloud-base lists v20161122
(last release 2 months ago).


- Thomas

[Dusty Mabe]

On 01/30/2017 04:00 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote:
>  Hi
>  
>  Wasn't the fedora/25-cloud-base updated too?
>  
>  https://atlas.hashicorp.com/fedora/boxes/25-cloud-base lists v20161122
>  (last release 2 months ago). 
Hi Thomas,

Unfortunately we only officially "release" the Atomic images every two
weeks. We'd like to release the cloud base image more often but don't
currently have enough resources to QA them and produce them more
regularly.

Note: We do regularly build the cloud images as part of the 2 week atomic
process, but we don't officially "release" them.

Dusty

[Thomas Mueller]

Hi Dusty

Am 31.01.2017 um 19:05 schrieb Dusty Mabe

>  On 01/30/2017 04:00 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > Wasn't the fedora/25-cloud-base updated too?
> >
> > https://atlas.hashicorp.com/fedora/boxes/25-cloud-base lists v20161122
> > (last release 2 months ago).
>  Hi Thomas,
>
>  Unfortunately we only officially "release" the Atomic images every two
>  weeks. We'd like to release the cloud base image more often but don't
>  currently have enough resources to QA them and produce them more
>  regularly.
>
>  Note: We do regularly build the cloud images as part of the 2 week atomic
>  process, but we don't officially "release" them. 
what is the work to be done to QA the release?

we use the fedora vagrant boxes to run acceptance tests for e.g. the
selinux module (https://github.com/voxpupuli/puppet-selinux).

Also download numbers on atlas indicate more interest for cloud-base
than atomic for vagrant.


- Thomas

[Matthew Miller]

On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 09:43:47AM +0100, Thomas Mueller wrote:
>  Also download numbers on atlas indicate more interest for cloud-base
>  than atomic for vagrant. 
Part of that might be self-reenforcing, as there haven't been enough
downloads of Atomic yet to bump it to the front page when you search
for "Fedora".

Is there any way to get download numbers over time? That would be very
interesting.

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Thomas Mueller]

Am 03.02.2017 um 14:41 schrieb Matthew Miller:
>  On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 09:43:47AM +0100, Thomas Mueller wrote:
> > Also download numbers on atlas indicate more interest for cloud-base
> > than atomic for vagrant.
>  Part of that might be self-reenforcing, as there haven't been enough
>  downloads of Atomic yet to bump it to the front page when you search
>  for "Fedora". 
Google Search: Fedora Atomic

* (1st hit: www.projectatomic.io/)
* 2nd hit: https://getfedora.org/en/atomic/
* click: download now
* click: vagrant downloads
* click: View downloads using vagrant tools

Google Search: Fedora Cloud
* (first hit: fedora atomic (https://getfedora.org/en/atomic/))
* 2nd hit: https://getfedora.org/de/cloud/download (redirect to
https://alt.fedoraproject.org/de/cloud/)
* no information about howto use with vagrant directly, only possiblity
to download or "Want try Atomic" link at the bottom.

Google Search: Fedora
* Fedora Atomic "sub-link" (category link? don't know how they are
called) on first hit
* no Fedora Cloud on first page


IMHO:
* Even search for Fedora Cloud brings Atomic on top
* better information about Atomic then for cloud base (for vagrant use case)

Conclusion: i don't think downloads for cloud base are better because of
people searching find it better.

>  Is there any way to get download numbers over time? That would be very
>  interesting. 
I think the future is containers. but right now most people are still
not ready to start full containerization. Another question is if people
are using vagrant with Atomic. I use it to run tests. if possible i run
tests in docker because of lower overhead - I would not use vagrant to
start an Atomic vm to run a container in it I think.

- Thomas

[Dusty Mabe]

On 02/03/2017 09:19 AM, Thomas Mueller wrote:
>  
>  
>  Am 03.02.2017 um 14:41 schrieb Matthew Miller:
> > On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 09:43:47AM +0100, Thomas Mueller wrote:
> >> Also download numbers on atlas indicate more interest for cloud-base
> >> than atomic for vagrant.
> > Part of that might be self-reenforcing, as there haven't been enough
> > downloads of Atomic yet to bump it to the front page when you search
> > for "Fedora".
>  Google Search: Fedora Atomic
>  
>  * (1st hit: www.projectatomic.io/)
>  * 2nd hit: https://getfedora.org/en/atomic/
>  * click: download now
>  * click: vagrant downloads
>  * click: View downloads using vagrant tools
>  
>  Google Search: Fedora Cloud
>  * (first hit: fedora atomic (https://getfedora.org/en/atomic/))
>  * 2nd hit: https://getfedora.org/de/cloud/download (redirect to
>  https://alt.fedoraproject.org/de/cloud/)
>  * no information about howto use with vagrant directly, only possiblity
>  to download or "Want try Atomic" link at the bottom.
>  
>  Google Search: Fedora
>  * Fedora Atomic "sub-link" (category link? don't know how they are
>  called) on first hit
>  * no Fedora Cloud on first page
>  
>  
>  IMHO:
>  * Even search for Fedora Cloud brings Atomic on top
>  * better information about Atomic then for cloud base (for vagrant use case)
>  
>  Conclusion: i don't think downloads for cloud base are better because of
>  people searching find it better.
>   
I think what he was alluding to is that if you search for fedora on
Atlas [1] then you don't see atomic, which means that the cloud base
images could be getting selected because people don't know they are
there. This is because they are sorted by # of downloads, which is
fine. 

[1]
https://atlas.hashicorp.com/boxes/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&sort=&pro...

> >
> > Is there any way to get download numbers over time? That would be very
> > interesting.
>  
>  I think the future is containers. but right now most people are still
>  not ready to start full containerization. Another question is if people
>  are using vagrant with Atomic. I use it to run tests. if possible i run
>  tests in docker because of lower overhead - I would not use vagrant to
>  start an Atomic vm to run a container in it I think.
>   
I agree with you that running Atomic in Vagrant can be considered less
useful to some people than running a mutable OS in Vagrant. At least
for me, part of the reason to run something in Vagrant is because you
want to do something (install rpms, hack up storage, test something) that
you don't want to do on your host. If you aren't running containers
Atomic would not be interesting to you in a Vagrant box at this point.

Dusty

[Thomas Mueller]

>  I think what he was alluding to is that if you search for fedora on
>  Atlas [1] then you don't see atomic, which means that the cloud base
>  images could be getting selected because people don't know they are
>  there. This is because they are sorted by # of downloads, which is
>  fine. 
>
>  [1]
> https://atlas.hashicorp.com/boxes/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&sort=&pro...
ah! I misunderstood. :) But lets say the information outside of atlas is
much better for Atomic then for Cloud images.

And at least I would not search for Fedora when having Atomic in mind.
In my mind Atomic is not Fedora.

- Thomas

[Matthew Miller]

On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 03:19:47PM +0100, Thomas Mueller wrote:
>  > Part of that might be self-reenforcing, as there haven't
> been enough
>  > downloads of Atomic yet to bump it to the front page when you search
>  > for "Fedora".
>  Google Search: Fedora Atomic 
I meant here:

https://atlas.hashicorp.com/boxes/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&sort=&pro...


-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Thomas Mueller]

Am 03.02.2017 um 09:43 schrieb Thomas Mueller:
>  Hi Dusty
>
>  Am 31.01.2017 um 19:05 schrieb Dusty Mabe
>
> > On 01/30/2017 04:00 PM, Thomas Mueller wrote:
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Wasn't the fedora/25-cloud-base updated too?
> >>
> >> https://atlas.hashicorp.com/fedora/boxes/25-cloud-base lists v20161122
> >> (last release 2 months ago).
> > Hi Thomas,
> >
> > Unfortunately we only officially "release" the Atomic images every two
> > weeks. We'd like to release the cloud base image more often but don't
> > currently have enough resources to QA them and produce them more
> > regularly.
> >
> > Note: We do regularly build the cloud images as part of the 2 week atomic
> > process, but we don't officially "release" them.
>  what is the work to be done to QA the release?
>  
I'm happy about pointers what this QA process is to see if I might help
here.

- Thomas