At the Fedora Council meeting today, Eduard mentioned work from both CommOps and Marketing to reach out to universities and students. This is cool, but I'd *really* like to see it in concert with reviving the University Outreach objective (which sort of trailed off when Remy moved on). Additionally, I'd like to make sure we align this with the audiences identified by the Editions -- "students" alone is very broad! -- and with the revised Fedora mission statement.
Matthew:
I also wonder if it would not be worth it to expand the effort to 9-12 grade students/teachers as well. Many school districts are adding or expanding their computer science related curriculum and it might be an ideal time to establish 'habits' that accept FOSS and LInux.\
Charles
On Wed, 2017-06-21 at 10:25 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
At the Fedora Council meeting today, Eduard mentioned work from both CommOps and Marketing to reach out to universities and students. This is cool, but I'd *really* like to see it in concert with reviving the University Outreach objective (which sort of trailed off when Remy moved on). Additionally, I'd like to make sure we align this with the audiences identified by the Editions -- "students" alone is very broad! -- and with the revised Fedora mission statement.
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On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 03:57:15PM -0400, charles profitt wrote:
I also wonder if it would not be worth it to expand the effort to 9-12 grade students/teachers as well. Many school districts are adding or expanding their computer science related curriculum and it might be an ideal time to establish 'habits' that accept FOSS and LInux.\
I think getting FOSS and Linux in early is vital, and I'd love Fedora to be part of this, but as a target it strikes me as even harder than Fedora on phones - something else I'd love to see, but not somewhere where we can easily make the difference with resources we have. If we do want to do this, we would probably be best targetting STEM teachers and curriculum builders - but I don't see that making much headway without significant dedicated resources. (Anyone want to write a grant or something?)
On Wed, Jun 21, 2017, at 09:57 PM, charles profitt wrote:
Matthew:
I also wonder if it would not be worth it to expand the effort to 9-12 grade students/teachers as well. Many school districts are adding or expanding their computer science related curriculum and it might be an ideal time to establish 'habits' that accept FOSS and LInux.\
This feels like more of a curriculum and less of a Fedora direct project, though Fedora support and usage as the technology in the curriculum would be great. This is also a great way to involve other 9-12 targetted orgs.
I think this is the kind of idea that the new mission is designed to encompass as Fedora a platform for people to build tailored solutions for their users.
regards,
bex
Charles
On Wed, 2017-06-21 at 10:25 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
At the Fedora Council meeting today, Eduard mentioned work from both CommOps and Marketing to reach out to universities and students. This is cool, but I'd *really* like to see it in concert with reviving the University Outreach objective (which sort of trailed off when Remy moved on). Additionally, I'd like to make sure we align this with the audiences identified by the Editions -- "students" alone is very broad! -- and with the revised Fedora mission statement.
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On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 06:57:28PM +0200, Brian Exelbierd wrote:
I also wonder if it would not be worth it to expand the effort to 9-12 grade students/teachers as well. Many school districts are adding or expanding their computer science related curriculum and it might be an ideal time to establish 'habits' that accept FOSS and LInux.\
This feels like more of a curriculum and less of a Fedora direct project, though Fedora support and usage as the technology in the curriculum would be great. This is also a great way to involve other 9-12 targetted orgs.
I think this is the kind of idea that the new mission is designed to encompass as Fedora a platform for people to build tailored solutions for their users.
+1
On 06/21/2017 09:25 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
At the Fedora Council meeting today, Eduard mentioned work from both CommOps and Marketing to reach out to universities and students. This is cool, but I'd *really* like to see it in concert with reviving the University Outreach objective (which sort of trailed off when Remy moved on). Additionally, I'd like to make sure we align this with the audiences identified by the Editions -- "students" alone is very broad! -- and with the revised Fedora mission statement.
To give a late follow-up to this, there were a few different directions this was trailing towards, broadly underneath the initiative, but lacking any formal cohesion. This is a long topic, but I'll try to keep it really short.
=== Campus Ambassadors ===
One angle of this was to revive the Campus Ambassadors program by actively involving an academic presence at three universities for each region (as detailed in the original plans for the Initiative). This ticket is currently assigned to FAmSCo and can be found here:
https://pagure.io/famsco/issue/423
=== CommOps: Student kit ===
The discussion in CommOps was creating a student "kit" of resources, similar to the GitHub Student Pack, except filled with technical resources available in Fedora's infrastructure for people to use (sort of like a Developer Portal but targeted to students). The idea had a primary and secondary objective:
* Primary: Provide tools / services helpful to university students working on open source * Secondary: Get students familiar with Fedora resources, community, ecosystem
The longer ticket with this information is here (although it has stagnated a bit):
https://pagure.io/fedora-commops/issue/70
=== Marketing: EDU as target audience ===
It's been a while since I've been caught up on Marketing, but the idea as I remember it was trying to focus in creating a marketable platform for Fedora that's targeted to university computer science / IT students (think of "Fedora <3 Python" into "Fedora <3 Students"). I'm not sure where discussion has gone with this recently, and I have a lot of catching up to do for that, but maybe someone else more informed could fill the gap.
=== Unifying these things ===
Ideally, all of these efforts would fit nicely underneath the University Involvement Initiative, but the feedback we received before was to tie these efforts into the Initiative, but it felt like a driver-less car. It isn't clear to contributors about how to tie these projects into the Initiative because there isn't anyone actively leading development forward on it as of today. I think there is a lot of momentum to accomplish these tasks, but it felt like a showstopper when we tried to "upstream" the work into the Initiative since it didn't feel like there was anyone to communicate or work with.
Any guidance or best practice to do this going forward would be extremely helpful for focusing these projects together under the Initiative. :)
On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 05:47:00PM +0000, Justin W. Flory wrote:
Ideally, all of these efforts would fit nicely underneath the University Involvement Initiative, but the feedback we received before was to tie these efforts into the Initiative, but it felt like a driver-less car. It isn't clear to contributors about how to tie these projects into the Initiative because there isn't anyone actively leading development forward on it as of today. I think there is a lot of momentum to accomplish these tasks, but it felt like a showstopper when we tried to "upstream" the work into the Initiative since it didn't feel like there was anyone to communicate or work with.
How about: scrap the Initiative as it was and propose *this* as a new initiative?
On 07/27/2017 10:17 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 05:47:00PM +0000, Justin W. Flory wrote:
Ideally, all of these efforts would fit nicely underneath the University Involvement Initiative, but the feedback we received before was to tie these efforts into the Initiative, but it felt like a driver-less car. It isn't clear to contributors about how to tie these projects into the Initiative because there isn't anyone actively leading development forward on it as of today. I think there is a lot of momentum to accomplish these tasks, but it felt like a showstopper when we tried to "upstream" the work into the Initiative since it didn't feel like there was anyone to communicate or work with.
How about: scrap the Initiative as it was and propose *this* as a new initiative?
My opinion is that it would be the same to reboot the initiative or to propose what we have now as the new one, but I think the missing ingredient is a driver to help move things forward. This would be something I am interested in, but I wouldn't have the time to devote the attention I think something like this needs until early 2018.
On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 08:08:00PM +0000, Justin W. Flory wrote:
How about: scrap the Initiative as it was and propose *this* as a new initiative?
My opinion is that it would be the same to reboot the initiative or to propose what we have now as the new one, but I think the missing ingredient is a driver to help move things forward. This would be something I am interested in, but I wouldn't have the time to devote the attention I think something like this needs until early 2018.
Yeah, I agree that a driver is essential.
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