Are working groups subprojects?

[Allan Day]

Hi Council,

As far as I'm aware, there are four Fedora Working Groups (Workstation,
Server, IoT, CoreOS), each of which is responsible for a Fedora Edition.
These have their home pages on the wiki [1, 2, 3, 4]. However, these pages
don't seem to be advertised anywhere, and I'd like to try and increase
their exposure, so that people can find the WGs more easily.

One possibility here would be to add the WGs to the list of subprojects
[5]. However, it isn't clear to me whether a WG is a subproject or not.
Would it be OK to add the WGs to the list of subprojects?

Thanks,

Allan
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[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server
[3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/InternetOfThings
[4] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_CoreOS
[5] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Subprojects

[Matthew Miller]

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 11:32:13AM +0000, Allan Day wrote:
>  As far as I'm aware, there are four Fedora Working Groups
> (Workstation,
>  Server, IoT, CoreOS), each of which is responsible for a Fedora Edition.
>  These have their home pages on the wiki [1, 2, 3, 4]. However, these pages
>  don't seem to be advertised anywhere, and I'd like to try and increase
>  their exposure, so that people can find the WGs more easily.
>  
>  One possibility here would be to add the WGs to the list of subprojects
>  [5]. However, it isn't clear to me whether a WG is a subproject or not.
>  Would it be OK to add the WGs to the list of subprojects? 
The short answer is: yes, that'd be good.

The long answer is: at our Council meeting last year we agreed to simplify
the previous terminology of SIG, WG, Subproject, Team, Committee... to just
"all of these things are Teams" (and you can use whatever label you like
better if yo prefer to still be a WG or SIG). As part of this, we intended
to replace that page with

* https://teams.fedoraproject.org/discover/search?order_by=-total_activity_...

which has the advantage of being automatic and showing activity -- a big
problem with the wiki is that not only do new things not get added but
things which have gone dormant are still listed (for example, "Fedora
Videos" is not active).

Unfortunately, we hit some snags with https://teams.fedoraproject.org/ and
it's not clear that it's really the best path forward. Candidly, once we got
to that point, then the whole project of "we should fix this project
communication issue" kind of slipped into limbo.

I still do want to get that worked out, but we just haven't gotten to it. So
your help in updating that wiki page is definitely appreciated.

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader

[Allan Day]

Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
...
>  > One possibility here would be to add the WGs to the list of
> subprojects
>  > [5]. However, it isn't clear to me whether a WG is a subproject or not.
>  > Would it be OK to add the WGs to the list of subprojects?
>
>  The short answer is: yes, that'd be good. 
OK, done [1]. It would be nice to have them added to the drop down
too, but I doubt I can do that.

>  ... we intended
>  to replace that page with
>
>  * https://teams.fedoraproject.org/discover/search?order_by=-total_activity_...
>
>  which has the advantage of being automatic and showing activity -- a big
>  problem with the wiki is that not only do new things not get added but
>  things which have gone dormant are still listed (for example, "Fedora
>  Videos" is not active). 
It's good to have a static "map" as well as something that's activity
based, in my opinion...

>  ... Candidly, once we got
>  to that point, then the whole project of "we should fix this project
>  communication issue" kind of slipped into limbo. 
I have to say that, as someone who has worked on updating project
documentation in the past, it's hard to know how to contribute in this
space. Having some signposting for docs contributors would help.

Thanks for your help,

Allan
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[1]
https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Subprojects&type=revision...

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 12:08:28PM +0000, Allan Day wrote:
>  It's good to have a static "map" as well as something
> that's activity
>  based, in my opinion... 
I agree; we've just had a chronic problem with such static maps getting out
of date and making the problem _worse_. We talked about this at our meeting
and have a plan we think will help -- details to come.

>  I have to say that, as someone who has worked on updating project
>  documentation in the past, it's hard to know how to contribute in this
>  space. Having some signposting for docs contributors would help. 
In general, we want to move actively maintained, user- and
contributor-facing docs away from the wiki (which is better as an active
workspace) and into docs.fedoraproject.org. See
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-docs/contributing/
for a getting-started guide there.

-- 
Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
Fedora Project Leader