Hi all,
Today koji has the ability to make livecds using livecd-creator, appliance images using appliance-creator and all sorts of other images using imagefactory.
For Fedora 23 we are using livecd-creator to make all the livecds, appliance- creator to make all the arm disk images and imagefactory to make the cloud images and docker base image. We have a releng person tasked with adding support to koji for livemedia-creator[1] it is part of lorax and is actively developed and maintained by the anaconda team. It has the ability to make disk images and livecds. we are planning to switch Fedora to this for Fedora 24.
At this point in time I want to deprecate the spin-livecd command in koji in addition to teh already deprecated spin-appliance command. With the plan being to remove support from koji for the two command once Fedora 23 is EOL, which will be approximately around the end of November in 2016.
the livemedia-creator equivalent commands should be livecd-build and appliance-build to match image-build which is used to create images using imagefactory. appliance-build may be better off being named disk-build
I was wanting to make sure that everyone is okay with the plan and has not objections.
Regards
Dennis
[1] http://lorax.readthedocs.org/en/latest/livemedia-creator.html
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Dennis Gilmore dennis@ausil.us wrote:
Hi all,
Today koji has the ability to make livecds using livecd-creator, appliance images using appliance-creator and all sorts of other images using imagefactory.
For Fedora 23 we are using livecd-creator to make all the livecds, appliance- creator to make all the arm disk images and imagefactory to make the cloud images and docker base image. We have a releng person tasked with adding support to koji for livemedia-creator[1] it is part of lorax and is actively developed and maintained by the anaconda team. It has the ability to make disk images and livecds. we are planning to switch Fedora to this for Fedora 24.
Why not for Fedora 23? If the tool is actively developed and maintained vs the older ones, why not switch to it now? Or if we can't switch now, why not make it possible to build the Fedora 23 release artifacts with the newer tools anyway?
At this point in time I want to deprecate the spin-livecd command in koji in addition to teh already deprecated spin-appliance command. With the plan being to remove support from koji for the two command once Fedora 23 is EOL, which will be approximately around the end of November in 2016.
I would suggest that Koji deprecate the older tools far earlier than F23 EOL. If the newer tools can make useful composes for Fedora 23, I don't see why you can't aggressively migrate before F25.
the livemedia-creator equivalent commands should be livecd-build and appliance-build to match image-build which is used to create images using imagefactory. appliance-build may be better off being named disk-build
I was wanting to make sure that everyone is okay with the plan and has not objections.
I suppose my only objection is that I don't think it's aggressive enough. Unless there's some kind of problem that prevents the usage of the new tools with Fedora 23 release engineering, I don't see why we can't switch to it.
Regards
Dennis
[1] http://lorax.readthedocs.org/en/latest/livemedia-creator.html _______________________________________________ koji-devel mailing list koji-devel@lists.fedorahosted.org https://lists.fedorahosted.org/mailman/listinfo/koji-devel
On Friday, September 25, 2015 12:27:49 PM Neal Gompa wrote:
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Dennis Gilmore dennis@ausil.us wrote:
Hi all,
Today koji has the ability to make livecds using livecd-creator, appliance images using appliance-creator and all sorts of other images using imagefactory.
For Fedora 23 we are using livecd-creator to make all the livecds, appliance- creator to make all the arm disk images and imagefactory to make the cloud images and docker base image. We have a releng person tasked with adding support to koji for livemedia-creator[1] it is part of lorax and is actively developed and maintained by the anaconda team. It has the ability to make disk images and livecds. we are planning to switch Fedora to this for Fedora 24.
Why not for Fedora 23? If the tool is actively developed and maintained vs the older ones, why not switch to it now? Or if we can't switch now, why not make it possible to build the Fedora 23 release artifacts with the newer tools anyway?
livemedia-creator has been around for a few years, we have not used it previously as it was not possible to run in mock and ensure that we use the correct versions and be able to reproduce builds. koji today can not use it and we prefer to make the livecds in koji so we can take advantage of host parallelisation we want to ensure we can continue to make the artifacts for the life of the release in the event we need to make updated images for critical security bugs. in order to switch the kickstarts will all need some significant tweaking. hence the desire to keep the old tools available and working
At this point in time I want to deprecate the spin-livecd command in koji in addition to teh already deprecated spin-appliance command. With the plan being to remove support from koji for the two command once Fedora 23 is EOL, which will be approximately around the end of November in 2016.
I would suggest that Koji deprecate the older tools far earlier than F23 EOL. If the newer tools can make useful composes for Fedora 23, I don't see why you can't aggressively migrate before F25.
We will deprecate them as we land livemedia-creator support in koji. They will be removed from the code base at the end of next year
the livemedia-creator equivalent commands should be livecd-build and appliance-build to match image-build which is used to create images using imagefactory. appliance-build may be better off being named disk-build
I was wanting to make sure that everyone is okay with the plan and has not objections.
I suppose my only objection is that I don't think it's aggressive enough. Unless there's some kind of problem that prevents the usage of the new tools with Fedora 23 release engineering, I don't see why we can't switch to it.
We can not use them today as the code i not written for koji integration and if it showed up tomorrow it would be completely untested and may not allow us to produce the Fedora 23 lives, in addition to the work that will be needed to convert the kickstarts. we are doing it as aggressively as we can with the resources that we have on hand.
Thanks for the feedback
Dennis
Regards
Dennis
[1] http://lorax.readthedocs.org/en/latest/livemedia-creator.html _______________________________________________ koji-devel mailing list koji-devel@lists.fedorahosted.org https://lists.fedorahosted.org/mailman/listinfo/koji-devel
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Dennis Gilmore dennis@ausil.us wrote:
On Friday, September 25, 2015 12:27:49 PM Neal Gompa wrote:
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Dennis Gilmore dennis@ausil.us
wrote:
Hi all,
Today koji has the ability to make livecds using livecd-creator,
appliance
images using appliance-creator and all sorts of other images using imagefactory.
For Fedora 23 we are using livecd-creator to make all the livecds, appliance- creator to make all the arm disk images and imagefactory to make the
cloud
images and docker base image. We have a releng person tasked with
adding
support to koji for livemedia-creator[1] it is part of lorax and is actively developed and maintained by the anaconda team. It has the ability to
make
disk images and livecds. we are planning to switch Fedora to this for Fedora 24.
Why not for Fedora 23? If the tool is actively developed and maintained
vs
the older ones, why not switch to it now? Or if we can't switch now, why not make it possible to build the Fedora 23 release artifacts with the newer tools anyway?
livemedia-creator has been around for a few years, we have not used it previously as it was not possible to run in mock and ensure that we use the correct versions and be able to reproduce builds. koji today can not use it and we prefer to make the livecds in koji so we can take advantage of host parallelisation we want to ensure we can continue to make the artifacts for the life of the release in the event we need to make updated images for critical security bugs. in order to switch the kickstarts will all need some significant tweaking. hence the desire to keep the old tools available and working
I see. That makes a lot of sense.
At this point in time I want to deprecate the spin-livecd command in
koji
in addition to teh already deprecated spin-appliance command. With the
plan
being to remove support from koji for the two command once Fedora 23 is EOL, which will be approximately around the end of November in 2016.
I would suggest that Koji deprecate the older tools far earlier than F23 EOL. If the newer tools can make useful composes for Fedora 23, I don't
see
why you can't aggressively migrate before F25.
We will deprecate them as we land livemedia-creator support in koji. They will be removed from the code base at the end of next year
Okay, good. I just don't want to see Koji growing to be more complex than it already is. :)
the livemedia-creator equivalent commands should be livecd-build and appliance-build to match image-build which is used to create images
using
imagefactory. appliance-build may be better off being named disk-build
I was wanting to make sure that everyone is okay with the plan and has
not
objections.
I suppose my only objection is that I don't think it's aggressive
enough.
Unless there's some kind of problem that prevents the usage of the new tools with Fedora 23 release engineering, I don't see why we can't switch to it.
We can not use them today as the code i not written for koji integration and if it showed up tomorrow it would be completely untested and may not allow us to produce the Fedora 23 lives, in addition to the work that will be needed to convert the kickstarts. we are doing it as aggressively as we can with the resources that we have on hand.
I understand. I didn't realize that kickstarts need to be altered to be used for the new tools. I'm guessing the new tools use DNF/hawkey as a resolver now?
Thanks for the feedback
No problem. I'm glad you responded so well to it. :)
Dennis
Regards
Dennis
[1] http://lorax.readthedocs.org/en/latest/livemedia-creator.html
On Friday, September 25, 2015 12:49:13 PM Neal Gompa wrote:
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Dennis Gilmore dennis@ausil.us wrote:
On Friday, September 25, 2015 12:27:49 PM Neal Gompa wrote:
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Dennis Gilmore dennis@ausil.us
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We can not use them today as the code i not written for koji integration and if it showed up tomorrow it would be completely untested and may not allow us to produce the Fedora 23 lives, in addition to the work that will be needed to convert the kickstarts. we are doing it as aggressively as we can with the resources that we have on hand.
I understand. I didn't realize that kickstarts need to be altered to be used for the new tools. I'm guessing the new tools use DNF/hawkey as a resolver now?
the new tooling uses anaconda to make the images and livecds, so yes it uses dnf/hawkey
Dennis
Thanks for the feedback
No problem. I'm glad you responded so well to it. :)
Dennis
Regards
Dennis
[1] http://lorax.readthedocs.org/en/latest/livemedia-creator.html
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