Hello! I'm Petr Viktorin, member of Fedora's Python SIG, and Python maintainer by trade. I'd like to pitch an article on Python 3.7 beta, which was recently packaged for everyone to test.
I'm afraid I didn't read the instructions soon enough, and I have a draft rather than a pitch. Hopefully that won't be a problem: https://pviktori.fedorapeople.org/fm_py37b2.html
Does this look workable?
On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 05:27:54PM +0100, Petr Viktorin wrote:
Hello! I'm Petr Viktorin, member of Fedora's Python SIG, and Python maintainer by trade. I'd like to pitch an article on Python 3.7 beta, which was recently packaged for everyone to test.
I'm afraid I didn't read the instructions soon enough, and I have a draft rather than a pitch. Hopefully that won't be a problem: https://pviktori.fedorapeople.org/fm_py37b2.html
Does this look workable?
Hi Petr, thanks for contributing. In reading this article, it's a bit more esoteric than is preferred for the Magazine.
Let me ask you a question: Do you know of other brand-new or beta software packages we could combine this with? If they're all oriented around Python, that is just fine.
Hi Petr, thanks for contributing. In reading this article, it's a bit more esoteric than is preferred for the Magazine.
Hi Paul. I wonder why do you think so. Yes, it's targeted to Python developers, however I had the feeling that developers (and especially Python developers) are one of the main target group for Fedora. Who else are we targeting with Magazine when not the users or potential users of Fedora?
Similar article was published when we added python36 in Fedora 25 and 24: https://fedoramagazine.org/python-3-6-0-fedora-26/
Has anything changed since then?
The only difference this time is that now we do it sooner, in beta. I don't see the problem with that.
This feature makes Fedora a superior distro for Python developers. We need to communicate it. So everybody knows how cool Fedora is. How do we communicate such new feature if not via Fedora Magazine?
(We put stuff like this to Developer Portal as well, but it's more like source of information/knowledge, the changes there do not serve as announcements.)
Let me ask you a question: Do you know of other brand-new or beta software packages we could combine this with? If they're all oriented around Python, that is just fine.
I don't think that adding more unrelated information to that article makes sense. If absolutely required, pipenv could be added, however it's still on it's way to Fedora. Waiting for pipenv could significantly delay the article. Also I believe pipenv will deserve an article of it's own once it's available.
Thanks for feedback.
On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Miro Hrončok mhroncok@redhat.com wrote:
Hi Petr, thanks for contributing. In reading this article, it's a bit more esoteric than is preferred for the Magazine.
Hi Paul. I wonder why do you think so. Yes, it's targeted to Python developers, however I had the feeling that developers (and especially Python developers) are one of the main target group for Fedora. Who else are we targeting with Magazine when not the users or potential users of Fedora?
Similar article was published when we added python36 in Fedora 25 and 24: https://fedoramagazine.org/python-3-6-0-fedora-26/
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One of the things editors do is review statistics on pageviews. That particular article didn't receive many pageviews -- about 1500 or so the first day it was published (which is usually the most popular day for an article). By comparison, our recent article on Thonny IDE for Python -- which is also obviously targeting Python developers -- received almost 6000 pageviews its first day.
The goal for Magazine articles isn't to deeply reiterate the many feature lists new releases of software -- even popular packages like Python. We've found over time our readers don't really take as much of an interest at that level. (They may be reading this elsewhere, such as in Python release notes.)
However, the work done maintaining Python in Fedora, and getting new versions out there, is *very* important. And there are other ways we can socialize this work, because we want to spread awareness of it. For instance, if you or Petr publish this as a blog, get in touch with me or other folks who can help you with social media (#fedora-commops for example). I'll be happy to help spread word about the features that way via links on Twitter, Facebook, Google+ -- where we reach a lot of people as well.
On 9.3.2018 22:57, Paul Frields wrote:
One of the things editors do is review statistics on pageviews. That particular article didn't receive many pageviews -- about 1500 or so the first day it was published (which is usually the most popular day for an article). By comparison, our recent article on Thonny IDE for Python -- which is also obviously targeting Python developers -- received almost 6000 pageviews its first day.
Thanks for sharing this. Now it makes much more sense to me.
The goal for Magazine articles isn't to deeply reiterate the many feature lists new releases of software -- even popular packages like Python. We've found over time our readers don't really take as much of an interest at that level. (They may be reading this elsewhere, such as in Python release notes. > However, the work done maintaining Python in Fedora, and getting new versions out there, is *very* important. And there are other ways we can socialize this work, because we want to spread awareness of it. For instance, if you or Petr publish this as a blog, get in touch with me or other folks who can help you with social media (#fedora-commops for example). I'll be happy to help spread word about the features that way via links on Twitter, Facebook, Google+ -- where we reach a lot of people as well.
Would releasing a shorter and more to the point article, with a link to the blogpost that includes the rest make sense? (The point being: We have Python 3.7 in Fedora, you can try it right now.)
More specifically take the first few paragraphs, add a specific example with `python3.7 -m venv venv` and reword the last sentence before the Data Classes as a pointer to the blogpost?
(Possible keeping Data Classes as the only real "cool" feature for everybody.)
On 11.3.2018 21:36, Miro Hrončok wrote:
Would releasing a shorter and more to the point article, with a link to the blogpost that includes the rest make sense? (The point being: We have Python 3.7 in Fedora, you can try it right now.)
More specifically take the first few paragraphs, add a specific example with `python3.7 -m venv venv` and reword the last sentence before the Data Classes as a pointer to the blogpost?
(Possible keeping Data Classes as the only real "cool" feature for everybody.)
Something like this:
https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-python37b2_shorter
On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 4:52 PM, Miro Hrončok mhroncok@redhat.com wrote:
On 11.3.2018 21:36, Miro Hrončok wrote:
Would releasing a shorter and more to the point article, with a link to the blogpost that includes the rest make sense? (The point being: We have Python 3.7 in Fedora, you can try it right now.)
More specifically take the first few paragraphs, add a specific example with `python3.7 -m venv venv` and reword the last sentence before the Data Classes as a pointer to the blogpost?
(Possible keeping Data Classes as the only real "cool" feature for everybody.)
Something like this:
Indeed, the smaller focus of this article might work better. Are you or Petr able to do a draft on the Magazine platform itself?
On 11.3.2018 23:16, Paul Frields wrote:
On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 4:52 PM, Miro Hrončok mhroncok@redhat.com wrote:
On 11.3.2018 21:36, Miro Hrončok wrote:
Would releasing a shorter and more to the point article, with a link to the blogpost that includes the rest make sense? (The point being: We have Python 3.7 in Fedora, you can try it right now.)
More specifically take the first few paragraphs, add a specific example with `python3.7 -m venv venv` and reword the last sentence before the Data Classes as a pointer to the blogpost?
(Possible keeping Data Classes as the only real "cool" feature for everybody.)
Something like this:
Indeed, the smaller focus of this article might work better. Are you or Petr able to do a draft on the Magazine platform itself?
The draft: https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=20531&preview=1&_ppp=896d9ea8bb
Notes:
* The Content Analysis Tool gives RED because it analyses the code examples as well. Removing the examples makes it GREEN.
* The article needs some cover picture.
* Please make Petr Viktorin (pviktori) the author, I only did the changes (making it shorter) and submitted it. Peter's aware of the changes I made.
Thank You!
On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Miro Hrončok mhroncok@redhat.com wrote:
On 11.3.2018 23:16, Paul Frields wrote:
On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 4:52 PM, Miro Hrončok mhroncok@redhat.com wrote:
On 11.3.2018 21:36, Miro Hrončok wrote:
Would releasing a shorter and more to the point article, with a link to the blogpost that includes the rest make sense? (The point being: We have Python 3.7 in Fedora, you can try it right now.)
More specifically take the first few paragraphs, add a specific example with `python3.7 -m venv venv` and reword the last sentence before the Data Classes as a pointer to the blogpost?
(Possible keeping Data Classes as the only real "cool" feature for everybody.)
Something like this:
Indeed, the smaller focus of this article might work better. Are you or Petr able to do a draft on the Magazine platform itself?
The draft: https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=20531&preview=1&_ppp=896d9ea8bb
Notes:
- The Content Analysis Tool gives RED because it analyses the code examples
as well. Removing the examples makes it GREEN.
The article needs some cover picture.
Please make Petr Viktorin (pviktori) the author, I only did the changes
(making it shorter) and submitted it. Peter's aware of the changes I made.
Thank You!
Thanks for the contribution! I'll take care of the required editing, and the authorship fix. We plan to publish this Wednesday, March 21, re: today's editorial board meeting.
On 14.3.2018 15:26, Paul Frields wrote:
Thanks for the contribution! I'll take care of the required editing, and the authorship fix. We plan to publish this Wednesday, March 21, re: today's editorial board meeting.
https://fedoramagazine.org/python-3-7-now-available-in-fedora/ is listed as mine. could that please be fixed?
Sorry, I thought I'd done that already -- fixed now.
Paul
On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 9:53 AM, Miro Hrončok mhroncok@redhat.com wrote:
On 14.3.2018 15:26, Paul Frields wrote:
Thanks for the contribution! I'll take care of the required editing, and the authorship fix. We plan to publish this Wednesday, March 21, re: today's editorial board meeting.
https://fedoramagazine.org/python-3-7-now-available-in-fedora/ is listed as mine. could that please be fixed?
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