On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 03:04:51PM -0400, Ralph Bean wrote:
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:48:24PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
> So, in one of my many discussions with Paul last week, we were talking
> about containers, how we're approaching them in Fedora, etc. One of
> the ideas was that we should probably look at dogfooding container
> technology within Fedora itself to become more comfortable with it.
+1 to the spirit. Talking more fully about the details of what this
would mean at flock would be a good target. If some of the Fedora
Engineering team members could get some more experience with the
pieces before then so we can have a more fully-informed discussion,
that would be best (I'm just operating on hearsay at this point).
> I know we like things to be packaged in Fedora and there is nothing
> wrong with that. However, deploying Cantas via a container would seem
> to be an ideal thing to try as an initial dogfooding effort. It would
> let both rel-eng and Infra get used to the technologies while also
> providing a valuable service to themselves. What do people think of
> that idea?
Pierre and I started this same discussion on the side at PyCon. Our
policy has been that all of our apps have to be packaged as rpms for
Fedora and therefore must meet all the packaging guidelines. This
historically made a lot of sense even when it was an inconvenience:
Fedora Infrastructure should dogfood Fedora Development. When we
started getting into unbundling css/js assets the past few years, this
quickly became intractable. I've been trying to package up bootstrap
css for about a year now and there's no end in sight.
... but there are a hundred and one more angles to consider about how
we deploy our apps in Infrastructure.NEXT.
It's not just that it's a nearly intractable problem as in your
example -- it's rarely a worthwhile problem to solve in the example of
general contributors. I found that out first hand working on our
Drupal packaging. (Similar to Joe's example of Wordpress, actually.)
I think we should try to make progress on this before Flock, which is
almost four months away.
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