Re: useing up2date to get software
by Law Horne
|you can run
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| up2date --install [PACKAGE NAME]
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| For details see man up2date
Ok, cool. I kinda figured there would be a cli way to do it. But do you know if there are plan to incorporate it into the gui? I would imagine so. Although I must admit I truly enjoy using yum the way it is. There is just something about cli that is great. I even enjoy surfing around with lynx every once and awhile :)
Law
20 years, 6 months
Extreme pain trying to report bugs with Fedora Test 3
by Justin Clift
Hi everyone,
After loading Fedora Test 3 yesterday and finding a bug with the
OpenOffice.org links, I felt that I might as well do a bug report.
However, the process for getting bug reports to the Fedora project is a
really complete Pain in the arse - to the point where I very nearly
didn't bother in fact - so I'm betting that a lot of other people are
also wanting to report bugs but not actually getting it done.
Here's the process I followed:
+ Started Mozilla and it immediately displays the 0.95 Release Notes.
Nothing really obvious here on how to report bugs.
+ Went to the FAQ.
Turns out it's just a "general" FAQ with no useful info about
reporting bugs.
+ Clicked on the "Participate" link on the left hand side.
It has a "How to Participate" list and one of the listed options is
"Reporting Bugs". However, none of the listed options are links to the
appropriate places (probably an easy fix, and would be greatly helpful).
After looking through all the sections the only one that seems like
it's useful for reporting bugs is the "Communicate" one that gives
mailing list info.
My guts feeling here is that if there is a place for reporting bugs
(Bugzilla or something other than having to join a mailing list?) then
perhaps it would be beneficial to make it easier for people to find it?
Regards and best wishes,
Justin Clift
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20 years, 6 months
Please reduce the noise
by Will H. Backman
Wonderful discussions about the business decisions of Redhat and
marketing of Linux in general. But....please remember that there are
other fedora lists that might be a more appropriate forum for these
discussions. I'm getting over 100 messages from this list overnight.
As an end user, I'd like to think that the developers can use this list
as an efficient way to communicate development issues with each other
and with their user base. Please be mindful of the purpose of this
list. I know I have been guilty of noise on many lists, so I'll take my
own advice and
-- Will
20 years, 6 months
RE: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question!
by Patrick
Very nicely put Gerald!! Being new to Linux (2 months+) meant finding out the things you mentioned.Fortunately, I can find my way around and got passed any surprises I discovered (nice example: installing my Nvdia card). What did strike me, is that altough there is a nice graphical layer, much (I should say everything) can/needs to be done by command line (of course depending what you want to do). Nevertheless, being converted from a true Windows freak to a commited (newbie) Linux user, I would not have stayed with Windows if I knew then what I know know. And Fedora is looking like a great step into a new world, more Linux orientated than it is now... Just my thoughts... PatrickM --- On Wed 11/05, Gerald Thompson < gerald(a)zorahlia.com > wrote:From: Gerald Thompson [mailto: gerald(a)zorahlia.com]To: fedora-test-list(a)redhat.comDate: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 01:22:22 -0700Subject: RE: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question!I consider myself fairly new to Linux and what I ha!
ve found already is analmost zealous religious need in the Linux community to keep as much commandline based as possible. Because people with technical expertise find itfaster to work direct from the command line they have trouble puttingthemselves back into the end user mindset. Desktop software like Windows XPand MAC OS X are designed with end user desktop users in mind........Another reason Linux is so hard for beginners is archaic documentation andin some cases archaic commands. I am going to use an example from Emacsdocumentation. In the Emacs documentation they talk about keystrokecommands and using the META key. Even though a person would be sorelypressed to even find a computer that has a key labelled META, they don'tupdate the documentation to say ALT. They just put an addendum at thebeginning mentioning that META is the same as ALT. For a new computer userthis is totally confusing and they will never use Emacs because of it. Newusers like their documentation to be !
clear and concise throughout, not tohave a short explanation !
at the beginning explaining the inconsistencies youwill find in the rest of the documentation........If you have a novice computer user friend, don't push them into Linux, forpeople who just want to turn their computer on and have a friendly easy touse graphic interface they are better off with Win XP and MAC OS X. If youhave a friend who has already been using Win XP or MAC OS X and they arelooking for something that will give them more power and control over theirOS then obviously Linux is a great suggestion for them....Sincerely,Gerald Thompson--fedora-test-list mailing listfedora-test-list@redhat.comhttp://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list
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20 years, 6 months
RE: redhat recommends windows
by Jason Kurtz
Hmm,
Lets see, redhat released public versions and let the users test then
and find the bugs. Then they released Enterprise versions for profit.
Last time I checked THE GPL it said.
2. You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any portion of
it, thus forming a work based on the Program, and copy and distribute
such modifications or work under the terms of Section 1 above, provided
that you also meet all of these conditions:
* a) You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices
stating that you changed the files and the date of any change.
* b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in
whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any part
thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third parties
under the terms of this License.
Wheres my free copy of enterprise lmao.
Just a rant.....
Now back to the main issue at hand currently I admin quite a few
systems. A good deal of my customers run advanced server, 7.3. etc etc.
I'm planning on switching all of them to debian starting the beginning
of the year. This is utter bullshit, to just up and say oh where no
longer going to support 8.0 where dropping it in April. If there going
to treat there largest customer base this way then they can kiss my
geeky white ass. I will no longer recommend them for enterprise
applications. They can go, oh btw where no longer supporting advanced
server in three months. I would rather change from redhat now than risk
that in the future..
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20 years, 6 months
Re: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question!
by Patrick
Yeah, I know that: "it's different from Windows, so I can't use it".
And after they worked with it for some time, the noise was gone. People are always affraid of changes, they always run back to something that is old and that they are accustomed to.
The same goes for hardware manufactureres, why try something new? They blindly follow Microsoft... Of course there are exceptions, not much, but they are.
PatrickM
--- On Wed 11/05, Emmanuel Seyman < seyman(a)wanadoo.fr > wrote:
From: Emmanuel Seyman [mailto: seyman(a)wanadoo.fr]
To: fedora-test-list(a)redhat.com
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:43:58 +0100
Subject: Re: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question!
On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 10:52:14AM +0000, PFJ wrote:<br>> <br>> I've conducted experiments at work with 10 machines, 5 linux and 5 win<br>> xp. Both set to *look* the same, so it really was a blind test. They<br>> both had OOo 1.1 on, Moz 1.5 and anything else you would expect to see<br>> (inc. Evolution and Scribus).<br><br>Counter-strike?<br>Any game that relies on DirectX?<br>Download Accelerator?<br>The Sims<br><br>I've tried this experiment with Mozilla/OOo/Linux and people refused<br>to even try it out. They just took one look at it and demanded Outlook<br>Express, MS Office and Windows.<br><br>Emmanuel<br><br><br>--<br>fedora-test-list mailing list<br>fedora-test-list(a)redhat.com<br>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list<br>
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Re: Extreme pain trying to report bugs with Fedora Test 3
by Patrick
Would the Fedora website be useful for this?
Let's say a link to a "Support" section would be convienent. There a user could find what (s)he needs: items that are on the site or links to other help sites.
PatrickM
--- On Wed 11/05, Andy Green < fedora(a)warmcat.com > wrote:
From: Andy Green [mailto: fedora(a)warmcat.com]
To: fedora-test-list(a)redhat.com
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 11:13:25 +0000
Subject: Re: Extreme pain trying to report bugs with Fedora Test 3
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>Hash: SHA1<br><br>On Wednesday 05 November 2003 10:48, Mike A. Harris wrote:<br><br>> Perhaps we should make that clearer for newer users who aren't<br>> necessarily already familiar with Red Hat or Fedora Core (and<br>> previously Red Hat Linux). The default Mozilla page having a<br>> link to where to report bugs, or the GUI starting up with a<br>> message like that would be a good idea, as well as a<br>> bugzilla.redhat.com hyperlink on the desktop.<br>><br>> What does everyone else think?<br><br>Definitely... the desktop link is a real winner since people will notice it <br>and ignore it, but know where to find it when they need it. Another link to <br>the main Fedora site would be great too, especially if it was a subpage that <br>had a bunch of hints and topics for newbies, like "where can I get MP3 <br>support" and "how can I play mpg movies on Fedora"? These are going to be <br>the questions in literally millions of minds after!
install. These folks <br>didn't read about the history of Fedora and don't understand the project <br>structure and reasons for restrictions, they just want to play MP3s and if <br>they can't do that 10 minutes after install the OS is broken in their view. <br>So finding some way to point to the necessary packages in third party <br>repositories, with whatever disclaimers, would be a great thing. <br><br>And you don't have to worry about the DOJ, since unlike MSFT being pulled up <br>for links on its default desktop, ANYONE can wrap the OS to create their own <br>version with their own links FOC.<br><br>- -Andy<br>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br>Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux)<br><br>iD8DBQE/qNtVjKeDCxMJCTIRAmExAJ9LsCdov7bbjY7VoROez6bdddl2WwCeNRdF<br>KCZz2XtZ/ftWDgT4Un5s6MI=<br>=f+rW<br>-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----<br><br><br>--<br>fedora-test-list mailing list<br>fedora-test-list(a)redhat.com<br>http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list<br>
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Re: RH recommends using Windows? plus a Question!
by Patrick
Thanks for explaining that, Andy!
I didn't know that, it makes sense.
That's the difference between Windows and Linux. I'm still thinking sometimes in Windows-terms (but my doctor says I'm improving ;-)
PatrickM
--- On Wed 11/05, Andy Green < fedora(a)warmcat.com > wrote:
There's a couple of technical reasons why the commandline apps are so widely
chosen when the programs are written:
- separating the business end of the program action from the user interface
is very powerful... somebody can write a GUI layer on top who knows nothing
about how the action of the program works, they just make the pretty UI and
call through to the commandline app to get things done. If somebody later
decides to make a web UI for the thing, again they make no changes to the
actual program action but make a thin layer on top. In both cases the
program actions continue to live in one place and GUI, web and commandline
versions all benefit from updates to the same commandline app with hopefully
zero complications.
- it makes the program action scriptable with ease, and the program action
can be used from within other programs in a clean way, eg xcdroast ->
cdrecord
- -Andy
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