[O/T] raptor 10000rpm ide disks
by Neal D. Becker
I just got a pair of WD raptor disks, which are SATA 10000rpm. Sweet, right?
No! They are connected to Asus A7N8X MB, which has SiI3112 Serial ATA
(according to dmesg).
hdparm -t shows TERRIBLE slow results.
/sbin/hdparm /dev/hde
/dev/hde:
multcount = 16 (on)
IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit)
unmaskirq = 0 (off)
using_dma = 0 (off)
keepsettings = 0 (off)
readonly = 0 (off)
readahead = 8 (on)
geometry = 4500/255/63, sectors = 72303840, start = 0
OK, now try with DMA turned on. Locks up machine. Here's what was logged:
Nov 4 11:30:56 rpppc1 kernel: blk: queue c03c61e8, I/O limit 4095Mb (mask
0xffffffff)
Nov 4 11:31:01 rpppc1 kernel: hde: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady
SeekComplete Error }
Nov 4 11:31:01 rpppc1 kernel: hde: dma_intr: error=0x10 { SectorIdNotFound },
LBAsect=1099511642367, high=65536, low=14591, sector=0
Nov 4 11:31:21 rpppc1 kernel: hde: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21
This is with kernel 2.4.20-20.9.
20 years, 5 months
Re: RH recommends using Windows?
by Mike Lurk
Message: 12
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 13:22:38 -0500 (EST)
From: "Noah Silva [Mailing list]" <nsilva-list(a)aoi.atari-source.com>
To: fedora-test-list(a)redhat.com
Subject: Re: RH recommends using Windows?
Reply-To: fedora-test-list(a)redhat.com
>
> It is harder to do in Linux because there are too many file formats to
> consider; *.bin, *.tar.gz, *.rpm and there are others as well. How do
> you incorporate them into an Add and Remove Program style of format.
The
> average user will need that.
This is unfair. Window's "Add/remove programs" only works if windows
"knows" about the program because it at least semi-properly used MSI.
Likewise, linux only "knows" about a program being installed if you used
an rpm or deb. If you just plop down EXE files in windows, they won't
"add/remove" any more than they will in linux.
.tar.gz should really only be for developers. At the very least, if you
are going to make a different install system (like loki installer), it
should have a way to communicate with the RPM database as well.
> If all Linux was meant to do was to do emails, message someone, or to
> write an essay it's great for the home user. It's stable, it won't
crash
> in the middle of something important and you really don't have to
worry
> that much about viruses.
>
> (there, my .02 cents worth)
>
-- noah silva
Don't get me wrong I love Linux. I enjoy working with it. Just the
average user.........
One other thing a friend of mine tried it once and said why do I have to
switch to root, or give the root password when I install something.
Windows is seamless. Then just gave up on Linux.... What do you do?????
And Don't get me started with Mac's. In the early years of the Mac there
was one problem if you didn't have the hardware to match the OS forget
it, it just won't install, and where did, if the cmos battery was dead
the OS wouldn't boot come from. Boy did they have a big problem there.
If I had a choice between, Windows, Mac OS X and Linux it would be Linux
all the way, because I know it and enjoy playing with it. Sure it's free
to download (plus who wants to pay for MS lawsuits anyways, which is
incorporated into the cost of MS products, they are not going to admit
it but you know.. If MS wants to release buggy OS's that's up to them,
right).
( I guess I have more than .02 cent worth there)
Mike (Red Hat (FEDORA) Linux advocate)
20 years, 5 months
Re: RH recommends using Windows?
by J M
I don't buy the hardware excuse anymore. Recently I was installing RedHat
Linux 9 (I think it was 9 though I suppose it could have been 8) and Windows
2000 Server (this was before 2003 Server was out) on a few PowerEdge 2650's,
and RedHat was loading and detecting the PERC (think it was a 3/DI?)
controller without the hassle of driver disks, etc. This was not true of
2000. To go one step further Dell had an excellent article in their
magazine about running headless PowerEdge servers with Linux. You could get
to BIOS, Grub Boot Loader, and Linux all over a null modem cable. Very
slick.
That's on the server side. When I went home and installed RedHat 9 it
picked up my Epson Perfection 1250 scanner, my Epson C40UX printer worked
without downloading drivers, and my Canon Powershot S30 digital camera
worked just fine. All of these without going and having to download
drivers. Everyone of the three devices I just listed requires a driver
download for Windows XP.
And for the record the Netgear WG511 wireless card does require a download
for both, and so do the NVidia and ATI graphics cards.
Now to be fair, the particular version of RedHat came out AFTER Windows XP
(correct me if I'm making untrue statements), and Windows in its next
rendition (2003... Longhorn...) will no doubt include support out of the box
for [some of] these devices.
My only point to this long winded email is that both now have hardware that
they require drivers for and/or do not support, and that which they support
out of the box. It's probably a fairly even line too.
Jason
20 years, 5 months
Re: RH recommends using Windows?
by J M
You've never played Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Raven Shield or Ghost Recon
with your good friends using Roger Wilco, Ventrillo, or the like until 3 AM
on Friday night after a hard weeks work. Skulking about with Night Vision
and coordinating assaults on terrorist complexes is just way too much fun.
Now, I should probably be out looking for a new girlfriend so I can A.) Get
laid B.) Stop gaming and C.) switch the last Windows computer to Linux. But
if I bring the girl home and sit her in front of my Linux computer she's not
even gonna know where to start, so then I'll be reinstalling Windows; well
either reinstalling Windows or buying a Mac. And that's forgetting that I
do work and like to keep current with a plethora of operating systems.
It's really just a lose lose situation.
Jason
>I never understood the Games angle (I mean I play sometimes with
>whatever's installed, but I don't ever HAVE to have Game X)... but if it's
>important that much for a desktop distro... why not incorporate WineX?
>It's cheap, at least the likes of Suse could easily include it, if their
>CDs cost $$ anyway. (And mandrake caters specifically to home users...).
20 years, 5 months
3com 3c905x cards and Kudzu problems?
by DanG
Hi folks,
I have had the same problem with my pci 3c905x card initializing
with Fedora since beta2 and it still exists in the current beta. I have some
pretty good basic hardware an ASUS P2B BX based mainboard and P3 500 with
396 MB ram etc. All supported hardware that worked like a charm with Redhat
since release 7.0 to 9. What I found with Fedora was that the card did not
initialize properly at boot therefore no IP. The problem is with Kudzu
running at boot and this card initializing. If I turn off Kudzu at the boot
run level (through chkconfig) and reboot the network card works like a charm
and initializes. If I boot with Kudzu on then stop Kudzu and try restarting
the network service eth0 still fails to initialize. I have to have Kudzu off
during boot for the 3c905X to work. Very weird. Anyone know of a workaround
or solution to this without turning Kudzu off? I am using kernel
2.4.22-1.2088.nptl.
Thanks,
Dan
20 years, 5 months
Re: RH recommends using Windows?
by Mike Lurk
I'd like to add something to what I had just sent. For every home user
that buys a home computer they should have a license to do so. Just to
say that they ave gone through a course in computer basics and they
understand the concept of the OS in question. When you are in the tech
support field, like I am, you get the stupidest questions from home
users ( my cup holder is broken :( ), that a 9 year old could answer.
Mike
20 years, 5 months
RE: Delay? Looks bad for Fedora
by Henry Hartley
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Randy Vice
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 12:50 PM
>>
>> Yeah, that doesn't answer my question though. =) Next Monday?
>> Next month?
Sounds like late this week or early next week from all that's been said.
>> Since Fedora is for home/hobby folks, could the
>> announcement be worded a bit more in nontechnical terms?
>> "Respin" is a new term for me, and I've been using RH since
>> 6.x days.
Respin was a new word for me, also. Until I realized I was pronouncing it
wrong, I didn't get it at all. I was making it res-pin. But re-spin (spin
again) makes it more apparent. Re-spinning the master disk or some such.
--
Henry
20 years, 5 months
Re: RH recommends using Windows?
by J M
I'm clear on the concept. Revisit point A. It's just that sooner or later
they always want to tell their parents and friends that they are alive and
well and haven't disappeared off the face of the earth. Sometimes they
call, sometimes they e-mail, sometimes they text message, sometimes they IM
(all possible with Linux I might add.) But it's inevitable; sooner or later
the parents get involved *shudder*
Jason
>> ... But if I bring the girl home and sit her in front of my Linux
computer ...
>
>someone definitely unclear on the concept.
>
>rday
20 years, 5 months
ACPI in kernel 2.4.22-1.2115
by jakob pietzka
hi,
I have chosen to compile acpi static in the new kernel, but it didn't work.
I can't see the battery statistic in kde.
Is there a problem with laptopmode?
Jakob
20 years, 5 months
Re: RH recommends using Windows?
by J M
To an extent I can understand what he is saying. It's sort of the middle
ground from saying that Linux is [not] ready for the desktop. On one hand
he is saying yes for the business it is. For the home user maybe not.
And it's true. You aren't gonna get iTunes or Napster 2.0 for Linux anytime
soon, you won't see Half Life 2, Lock On: Modern Air Combat, or Everquest II
released at the same time as the Windows versions, and let's face it; maybe
not for you, or me, or most technically inclined people, but it is harder to
set up than a Mac and therefore too difficult for many. But you can get
you're productivity suite, browser, email client, etc. So for many
businesses it will be plenty suitable.
This does leave the question of who the hell is supposed to use Fedora... I
guess people like me who are willing to pay maybe $60 for an RHN account; if
that is still an option mind you, but not $179 for a RHEL WS license. I
loved RedHat 5.2-9.0. And the advnace it has made in that time is
borderline miraculous. The stability has been second to none as well. It
has been without a doubt more than adequate for running my personal 'server'
on, and has led me to push for adoption of Linux products including RHEL in
businesses. My only hope is that RedHat doesn't make Fedora into the
bastard child not worthy of tinkering on, let alone running my PoS personal
server on, because then I will to a large degree fall out of touch, and then
I cannot recommend it on personal experience anymore. But I am optimistic.
20 years, 5 months
